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Think he was just talking about this postFood for thought: I know this is a generous interpretation of the recent Uzuhiko feat, but what if the Uzuhiko used against Code was in fact 600 Zettatons. The reason I think this is because this is the amount of energy created by Earth in one second. Boruto prolly charged up his Uzuhiko for more than a second so it should at least have that much of energy. One might ask then why was a 'maximum output' mentioned. My point is that it doesn't make sense for the maximum output to be 600 Zettatons. That's the amount of energy created in a second. Why would Boruto gather up energy for several seconds just to collect the amount of energy created in one second? Why would he stop at that mark? If he can only collect a certain percentage of Earth's energy per second, it makes no sense for the max output to be at 600 Zettatons.
Let's say he can only collect 10% of Earth's energy per second. Why would he stop collecting after 10 seconds and call it the max output? That makes no sense. It's not like Earth has only one second worth of energy to provide. And this would be true for any percentage.
Instead my interpretation involves looking at "Maximum output" as an indication of how much of the Earth's rotational energy Boruto can contain in his body currently. Which means the cap wouldn't be at 600 zettatons, but at an unquantifiable amount above that. This is corroborated by the fact that it is called "Limitless" which means in theory Boruto can keep charging his Uzuhiko indefinitely. But in practice he can't because it would be more energy than his body can handle. Also the planetary statement made by Koji.
I know this has little evidence as support and isn't really a conservative estimate like my usual takes. I just wanted to state this possibility.
Edit: One more reason why I got this idea. Boruto emphasized on the fact that the planet will never stop spinning which indicates the abundance of energy created by the planet. "Limitless" if you will.
Yeah. Just remove the "energy created" as it's really misleading. It's more about the rate of absorption from Boruto.Think he was just talking about this post
Basically if Earth in Naruto world has perpetual motion. The KE should be instantly replenished everytime Boruto absorbs any amount of KE from it. No matter how small because the Earth would go off course and eventually collide with the Sun. So let's say he absorbs 10% of KE from Earth every second he charges up his Uzuhiko, because their planet is still on it's orbit, the KE remains unchanged the entirety of the time that Boruto keeps charging it. So why would Boruto stop at the 600 ZT mark and call it Maximum output? Not mention he says that Uzuhiko has absolutely no limit. It makes more sense that the "maximum output" is actually how much his body can store and not how much energy he has available to absorb from the planet. Which is why it is more probable that a base Uzuhiko is 600ZT and the maximum output is somewhere above that.What proposal
No limit means nothing since if you wanna take that literally it’d be infinite which isn’t the case. Furthermore, and Net has a good explanation of this, I don’t think Boruto absorbs energy, I think we have due reason to believe tethers that energy to his attack and opponent, and the charge up is simply how much he can tether. Since if he were legitimately absorbing KE from the planet, the planet would slow down. It’s not literally perpetual and conservation of energy and momentum are a thing. TLDR; I don’t agree with you.Basically if Earth in Naruto world has perpetual motion. The KE should be instantly replenished everytime Boruto absorbs any amount of KE from it. No matter how small because the Earth would go off course and eventually collide with the Sun. So let's say he absorbs 10% of KE from Earth every second he charges up his Uzuhiko, because their planet is still on it's orbit, the KE remains unchanged the entirety of the time that Boruto keeps charging it. So why would Boruto stop at the 600 ZT mark and call it Maximum output? Not mention he says that Uzuhiko has absolutely no limit. It makes more sense that the "maximum output" is actually how much his body can store and not how much energy he has available to absorb from the planet. Which is why it is more probable that a base Uzuhiko is 600ZT and the maximum output is somewhere above that.
Yeah np. I commented knowing this was a pretty generous interpretation in the first place. Has Net commented his tether explanation on this thread?No limit means nothing since if you wanna take that literally it’d be infinite which isn’t the case. Furthermore, and Net has a good explanation of this, I don’t think Boruto absorbs energy, I think we have due reason to believe tethers that energy to his attack and opponent, and the charge up is simply how much he can tether. Since if he were legitimately absorbing KE from the planet, the planet would slow down. It’s not literally perpetual and conservation of energy and momentum are a thing. TLDR; I don’t agree with you.
Naruto>>>both
I hope not. Because it will become recursive/a loop I believe.Sorry if this has been addressed already but since it’s the current topic, are we accepting Uzuhiko as its calculation value + Boruto’s AP value?
I asked this too a while back.Can Limbo transcend Gojo's infinity?
If I am not wrong limbo don't have any Spatial presence, so they don't have any mass to slow down
I don't think the Six Eyes can detect something from another dimension that even Sage Mode and EMS users can't detect
Yes. Limbo’s do not exist inside the same space as Gojo, thus Infinity has no way to affect them.
Do you have a scan? As far as I remember, there is nothing in the manga about whether limbo are spatial presence or not.If I am not wrong limbo don't have any Spatial presence, so they don't have any mass to slow down
Nocan it absorb infinite energy from the earth and have 2-3 planetary rotation ap's in extreme time?
Boruto father might be around the same talent or even more talented that minato in some other aspects.
I don’t think so?Yeah np. I commented knowing this was a pretty generous interpretation in the first place. Has Net commented his tether explanation on this thread?
"That Hokage cloak... you were given your drip, grandfather. I had to earn it myself."
Sasuke in the back:"That Hokage cloak... you were given your drip, grandfather. I had to earn it myself."
pm my belief is that Uzuhiko acts more like a connective tether for the "planet chakra" to move through an opponent rather than Boruto absorbing the chakra for an attack.Yeah np. I commented knowing this was a pretty generous interpretation in the first place. Has Net commented his tether explanation on this thread?
Net after receiving this amount of glaze:Yeah Net described it beautifully
bookmarking this nglpm my belief is that Uzuhiko acts more like a connective tether for the "planet chakra" to move through an opponent rather than Boruto absorbing the chakra for an attack.
Narratively Uzuhiko is like a direct f-you to the Otsutsuki and their method of destroying planets for power. which makes sense because Boruto himself rejects the Otsutsuki whereas his narrative counterparts rn, Kawaki and Code, both embrace it for different reasons. Kawaki uses Karma to kill Otsutsuki (pm using evil to kill an evil) , while Code deifies the Otsutsuki and strives to reach the highest point of their evolution.
Where the Otsutsuki absorb a planet's chakra and destroy them, Boruto, who has embraced the Shinobi ideology instead, has created a jutsu that allows his planet to fight back against its oppressors by directing its centrifugal and rotational energy towards them.
a couple of things support that, rather than absorption
- The Vertigo effect lasts indefinitely (or at least until the planet naturally dies), which would mean the energy being used for the vertigo effect isnt affecting the rotation of the planet enough to cause a premature loss in rotational speed that kills everyone on the planet.
- Uzuhiko has been previously described as a contract that Boruto can rescind.
- When Uzuhiko is being used the planet has been described as shaking rather than slowing down, which means the jutsu is affecting the planet rather than taking from it.
- Despite Boruto attracting the chakra to him, it's not amplifying his stats.
- When Boruto describes Maximum Output Uzuhiko, he says if he doesn't hold back, he might be able to one-shot Hidari with the energy gathered. this kinda implies that Boruto is the one limiting the energy coming out of Uzuhiko rather than it being a charge via absorption like we all thought it was initially from the fan translations.
- Uzuhiko mechanically is pretty reminiscent of Kirin, attracting a large amount of energy and directing it at a target, which would be in line with Sasuke saying he taught Boruto everything in his arsenal.
there were a couple of other things too but i don't fully recall them rn
bookmarking this ngl
this is the best way I've seen it explained
Net after receiving this amount of glaze:
Nice.pm my belief is that Uzuhiko acts more like a connective tether for the "planet chakra" to move through an opponent rather than Boruto absorbing the chakra for an attack.
Narratively Uzuhiko is like a direct f-you to the Otsutsuki and their method of destroying planets for power. which makes sense because Boruto himself rejects the Otsutsuki whereas his narrative counterparts rn, Kawaki and Code, both embrace it for different reasons. Kawaki uses Karma to kill Otsutsuki (pm using evil to kill an evil) , while Code deifies the Otsutsuki and strives to reach the highest point of their evolution.
Where the Otsutsuki absorb a planet's chakra and destroy them, Boruto, who has embraced the Shinobi ideology instead, has created a jutsu that allows his planet to fight back against its oppressors by directing its centrifugal and rotational energy towards them.
a couple of things support that, rather than absorption
- The Vertigo effect lasts indefinitely (or at least until the planet naturally dies), which would mean the energy being used for the vertigo effect isnt affecting the rotation of the planet enough to cause a premature loss in rotational speed that kills everyone on the planet.
- Uzuhiko has been previously described as a contract that Boruto can rescind.
- When Uzuhiko is being used the planet has been described as shaking rather than slowing down, which means the jutsu is affecting the planet rather than taking from it.
- Despite Boruto attracting the chakra to him, it's not amplifying his stats.
- When Boruto describes Maximum Output Uzuhiko, he says if he doesn't hold back, he might be able to one-shot Hidari with the energy gathered. this kinda implies that Boruto is the one limiting the energy coming out of Uzuhiko rather than it being a charge via absorption like we all thought it was initially from the fan translations.
- Uzuhiko mechanically is pretty reminiscent of Kirin, attracting a large amount of energy and directing it at a target, which would be in line with Sasuke saying he taught Boruto everything in his arsenal.
there were a couple of other things too but i don't fully recall them rn
It hard counters InfinityCan Limbo transcend Gojo's infinity?
the mechanics didn’t change, as far as we have always known, the vertigo effects are the semipermanent part of Uzuhiko not the physical damage. We see this with Code who was disoriented but not constantly damaged further by Uzuhiko. Not to mention Hidari was instantly finished off by Kawaki before we got to see much of an aftermath to him taking Uzuhiko so nothing was shown that contradicts that.Nice.
However, this chapter changed the mechanics from when Code was hit.
The damage (psychological and physical) is supposed to be partially permanent due to Earth's CF being perpetual. Yet, Hidari didn't seem to constantly be damaged. It felt like a one-time thing. And he was even going to regenerate (possibly) which was going to negate a supposed permanent damage.
1. His regen is faster than the DoT, which isn't just physical damage anyway.Nice.
However, this chapter changed the mechanics from when Code was hit.
The damage (psychological and physical) is supposed to be partially permanent due to Earth's CF being perpetual. Yet, Hidari didn't seem to constantly be damaged. It felt like a one-time thing. And he was even going to regenerate (possibly) which was going to negate a supposed permanent damage.
2. Hidari is just better than Code.
He dead. He deserves that WAS for his Ls until he's back and gets some WsYou think they killed off Hidari.
He was the first guy Boruto actually was threatened by Post-TS.He dead. He deserves that WAS for his Ls until he's back and gets some Ws
dont have a scan but since the limbo clones exsist in a seperate dimension that is overlapping with the real one. No character is able to hit or sense limbo clones as they dont exsist on that plain of exsistence, hence they should not have a spatial presence on the real world but they should have one on the dimension they exsist onDo you have a scan? As far as I remember, there is nothing in the manga about whether limbo are spatial presence or not.
pm my belief is that Uzuhiko acts more like a connective tether for the "planet chakra" to move through an opponent rather than Boruto absorbing the chakra for an attack.
Narratively Uzuhiko is like a direct f-you to the Otsutsuki and their method of destroying planets for power. which makes sense because Boruto himself rejects the Otsutsuki whereas his narrative counterparts rn, Kawaki and Code, both embrace it for different reasons. Kawaki uses Karma to kill Otsutsuki (pm using evil to kill an evil) , while Code deifies the Otsutsuki and strives to reach the highest point of their evolution.
Where the Otsutsuki absorb a planet's chakra and destroy them, Boruto, who has embraced the Shinobi ideology instead, has created a jutsu that allows his planet to fight back against its oppressors by directing its centrifugal and rotational energy towards them.
a couple of things support that, rather than absorption
- The Vertigo effect lasts indefinitely (or at least until the planet naturally dies), which would mean the energy being used for the vertigo effect isnt affecting the rotation of the planet enough to cause a premature loss in rotational speed that kills everyone on the planet.
- Uzuhiko has been previously described as a contract that Boruto can rescind.
- When Uzuhiko is being used the planet has been described as shaking rather than slowing down, which means the jutsu is affecting the planet rather than taking from it.
- Despite Boruto attracting the chakra to him, it's not amplifying his stats.
- When Boruto describes Maximum Output Uzuhiko, he says if he doesn't hold back, he might be able to one-shot Hidari with the energy gathered. this kinda implies that Boruto is the one limiting the energy coming out of Uzuhiko rather than it being a charge via absorption like we all thought it was initially from the fan translations.
- Uzuhiko mechanically is pretty reminiscent of Kirin, attracting a large amount of energy and directing it at a target, which would be in line with Sasuke saying he taught Boruto everything in his arsenal.
there were a couple of other things too but i don't fully recall them rn
Nets understanding of the jutsu is how I, at first, explained to myself why the planet doesnt slow down when Boruto uses Uzuhiko, but the fan translations of chapter 12 that I read verbatim said that Boruto absorbs the planetary chakra (AKA planets KE), which is why I abandoned the idea of 5-B Uzuhiko. Were the fan translations wrong or how do you explain that?Yeah Net described it beautifully, and when you think about it, if Boruto was stealing energy from the planet it just blatantly contradicts what he stands for. Otsutsuki absorb from the planet and take, leaving nothing but a lifeless husk. Meanwhile, Boruto is supposed to represent the Shinobi way, which from the og Naruto, we know stands in opposition to the Otsutsuki way. So, when you coalesce all of that together, it just makes far more sense for Boruto to not steal energy whatsoever, and as Net said, tether it and enable to planet to have agency.
We dont know if the Hidari Uzuhiko is a one time thing since Kawaki destroyed him moments after. Whether it was a one time thing or not, Hidari still would have escaped if Kawaki hadnt come and Boruto wouldnt have gotten the Thorn Soul, which is why he was worried when Hidari survived.Nice.
However, this chapter changed the mechanics from when Code was hit.
The damage (psychological and physical) is supposed to be partially permanent due to Earth's CF being perpetual. Yet, Hidari didn't seem to constantly be damaged. It felt like a one-time thing. And he was even going to regenerate (possibly) which was going to negate a supposed permanent damage.
what translation is that? why not use the official oneNets understanding of the jutsu is how I, at first, explained to myself why the planet doesnt slow down when Boruto uses Uzuhiko, but the fan translations of chapter 12 that I read verbatim said that Boruto absorbs the planetary chakra (AKA planets KE), which is why I abandoned the idea of 5-B Uzuhiko. Were the fan translations wrong or how do you explain that?
We dont know if the Hidari Uzuhiko is a one time thing since Kawaki destroyed him moments after. Whether it was a one time thing or not, Hidari still would have escaped if Kawaki hadnt come and Boruto wouldnt have gotten the Thorn Soul, which is why he was worried when Hidari survived.
If the DoT effect truly wasnt there for Hidari, I think that would be because most of his body got destroyed and the huge power didnt course through it.