Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Luxxy_Ethereal]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the reaction from Kabuto due to the fact that Itachi broke out of his control? Koto doesn't need to have city level range for that if Kabuto is the one connected to Itachi. And how did it even affect Kabuto. Was he put under it's genjutsu?

Has it ever induced madness? Like has it been stated? It's been a while since I watched the show.

He already has that in his Sharingan and Mangekyo sections.

At first I also thought that it was just a reaction from Kabuto, but on the one hand, the Edo tense jutsu cannot always be controlled by Kabuto. Kabuto basically doesn't control Itachi when Itachi uses Kotoamatsukami, Kabuto hopes Itachi will use his Amaterasu at that time, so he doesn't fully activate puppet mode. meaning that at that time Itachi made the decision on his own mind. Until in the end Itachi influenced his own mind, and influenced Kabuto.

And for Madness Manipulation, as long as this series has been running, there has never been a statement saying that they are experiencing hallucinations and are crazy, but from the expressions on their faces, we can already conclude that they are experiencing mental disorders.

I mean Shisui's Madness Manipulation is based on mind manipulation, which relies on direct interaction with the victim's mind, influencing the victim's mental state until they become crazy'.

please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Luxxy_Ethereal]

Memory manipulation covers that.

Thank you for your input

 

[HelloThere1089]

At first I also thought that it was just a reaction from Kabuto, but on the one hand, the Edo tense jutsu cannot always be controlled by Kabuto.

Kabuto basically doesn't control Itachi when Itachi uses Kotoamatsukami, Kabuto hopes Itachi will use his Amaterasu at that time, so he doesn't fully activate puppet mode.

No. Kabuto gives simple commands like: Kill Naruto. He doesn't need to control every single action of his puppet to be connected to it. Not enough to say that the connection isn't there.

meaning that at that time Itachi made the decision on his own mind. Until in the end Itachi influenced his own mind, and influenced Kabuto.

Yes because Kabuto doesn't know every single jutsu on the planet. The only control he has are the simple commands that he gives, like "defeat the Kage". But that doesn't prove that the connection isn't there. Imagine if I call you on your cellphone and just don't talk and stay quiet. That is possible right? That's how I interpret the scene. Kabuto needs the connection to be in place for the puppets to follow his orders.

And for Madness Manipulation, as long as this series has been running, there has never been a statement saying that they are experiencing hallucinations and are crazy, but from the expressions on their faces, we can already conclude that they are experiencing mental disorders.

Ah ok. I don't think this is enough. But if mods think it is then it might be able to pass. Can you give scans of these expressions and the chapters.

I mean Shisui's Madness Manipulation is based on mind manipulation, which relies on direct interaction with the victim's mind, influencing the victim's mental state until they become crazy'.

please correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Every passing chapter makes me like Sumire more and more. This chapter she realized that Hidari is after Sarada before anybody else. Good stuff. She might give Shikadai a run for his money in the "obligatory smart kid dept".

 

[KaydeeX]

Every passing chapter makes me like Sumire more and more. This chapter she realized that Hidari is after Sarada before anybody else. Good stuff. She might give Shikadai a run for his money in the "obligatory smart kid dept".

He did attack Sarada first so it was kind of an “uhh duh” moment
Shikadai intelligence in risk taking got complemented by Jura

 

[HelloThere1089]

He did attack Sarada first so it was kind of an “uhh duh” moment

For us it is obvious. But you have to remember that we need to compare her to other fictional character. Trust me, a lot of "smart" characters can be pretty dumb. What matters is that she noticed it before seasoned jonin like Konohamaru. That puts it into perspective. Same with when she realized that Omnipotence happened. These feats are surprisingly neat. Not saying they are above Shikadai tho.

Shikadai intelligence in risk taking got complemented by Jura

Yes. But honestly, he is pretty lack luster in terms of intelligence considering how hyped up he is. Most of his stuff is him doing logical things and other characters saying how profound he is. So in my view, Shikadai should have more feats in out of the box thinking.

Basically, Shikadai>~Sumire rn but according to hype it should be Shikadai>>Sumire.

 

[Nierre]

waffle house pancake house

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

next month will mark 1 year-ish of two blue vortex.

 

[karo_senpaii]

with the translations out 2 things i wanna note
1. himawari> v1 kawaki. I thought she had no merit before but looking at the statement "this is a first, you make me want to use a little of my true power" eould imply jura had not fought an opponeent strong enough to make him want to use part of his true power. This would make himawari above kawaki who jura one tapped prior. Well v2 kawaki is still above sha.
2. Jura is a power house. bro has the same statements of not being serious like daemon while mopping God tiers.

 

[Duedate8898]

Himawari is out here doing better than I ever expected. I wonder if this might have some weird implications for Kurama's scaling though.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Himawari is out here doing better than I ever expected. I wonder if this might have some weird implications for Kurama's scaling though.

Would be solved if they say he's a juiced up Kurama. We already have the high affinity excuse. Also the fact that Himawari is implied to not be a jinjuriki, but something more.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

with the translations out 2 things i wanna note
1. himawari> v1 kawaki. I thought she had no merit before but looking at the statement "this is a first, you make me want to use a little of my true power" eould imply jura had not fought an opponeent strong enough to make him want to use part of his true power. This would make himawari above kawaki who jura one tapped prior.

yeah lowkey i forgot it was V1 kawaki and not base

 

[Kayzz]

I don't think KV1 Kawaki is god tier. Seems like he didn't improve much after 3 years. Only his KV2 state is god tier.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Himawari is out here doing better than I ever expected. I wonder if this might have some weird implications for Kurama's scaling though.

Not really, we're already told that Himawari has the best affinity for Kurama's chakra than any other Jin (even Nard), so I imagine that is going to be the hand waving for why Himawari is so strong.

 

[Testarossa002]

V1 scales to moon level so there’s that
it's insane how fodder he is to boruto considering that he got the genes of the stronger Otsutsuki
Did he just think that everything was settled after omnipotence?

 

[karo_senpaii]

I don't think KV1 Kawaki is god tier. Seems like he didn't improve much after 3 years. Only his KV2 state is god tier.

he is a god tier but not up to the likes of naruto and sasuke and above. He scales to true essence boruto which is like low end limited code. so around delta level ish. that's if he didn't improve at all. I think kawaki actually improved. He didn't just train anything else asides his karma. His eye is proof his karma evolved

 

[karo_senpaii]

Not really, we're already told that Himawari has the best affinity for Kurama's chakra than any other Jin (even Nard), so I imagine that is going to be the hand waving for why Himawari is so strong.

lowkey waiting for byakugan+kurama

 

[MinatoSparkle]

he is a god tier but not up to the likes of naruto and sasuke and above. He scales to true essence boruto which is like low end limited code. so around delta level ish. that's if he didn't improve at all. I think kawaki actually improved. He didn't just train anything else asides his karma. His eye is proof his karma evolved

Is it really concrete that Boruto used True Essence against him

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

with the translations out 2 things i wanna note
1. himawari> v1 kawaki. I thought she had no merit before but looking at the statement "this is a first, you make me want to use a little of my true power" eould imply jura had not fought an opponeent strong enough to make him want to use part of his true power. This would make himawari above kawaki who jura one tapped prior. Well v2 kawaki is still above sha.
2. Jura is a power house. bro has the same statements of not being serious like daemon while mopping God tiers.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Y’all think i just be yapping…

 

[karo_senpaii]

Is it really concrete that Boruto used True Essence against him

it was same karma pattern and right after boruto said he doesn't need the drug and can channel momo power better now. That and the odama rasengan both base and karmav1 boruto could not dream of using

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Y’all think i just be yapping…

NeoYapperoflight

 

[karo_senpaii]

me waiting for arc sandbox and 5b beyond God tiers

 

[MinatoSparkle]

it was same karma pattern and right after boruto said he doesn't need the drug and can channel momo power better now. That and the odama rasengan both base and karmav1 boruto could not dream of using

Doesn't have the side eye pattern though, and he develops it later, so it's not like it was just forgotten. Might be an inbetween of K1 and True Essence.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Doesn't have the side eye pattern though, and he develops it later, so it's not like it was just forgotten. Might be an inbetween of K1 and True Essence.

true might be an in between but we know for a fact that boruto sais he can channel momo power better than before so this would logically put him over true essence. the rasengan he did here is something even true essence boruto could not do before

 

[MinatoSparkle]

true might be an in between but we know for a fact that boruto sais he can channel momo power better than before so this would logically put him over true essence. the rasengan he did here is something even true essence boruto could not do before

Might mean he can channel it better without risk, since True Essence does cause him to possibly lose control. So he can channel it better than K1 which has no risk, but not necessarily as much as TE which can turn sour quickly. Would also explain why he implies Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke are above him to Daemon, despite TE Boruto~>Code>Delta~Non-Avatar SPSM Naruto>SM Naruto

 

[AnimesFreak2]

waffle house pancake house

Another reason to despise Cho Cho

Waffles>>>Pancackes

 

[HelloThere1089]

Another reason to despise Cho Cho

Waffles>>>Pancackes

Based

 

[Nierre]

Another reason to despise Cho Cho

Waffles>>>Pancackes

this is true.

 

[Nierre]

Is it really concrete that Boruto used True Essence against him

it was same karma pattern and right after boruto said he doesn't need the drug and can channel momo power better now. That and the odama rasengan both base and karmav1 boruto could not dream of using

Doesn't have the side eye pattern though, and he develops it later, so it's not like it was just forgotten. Might be an inbetween of K1 and True Essence.

Don't mean to butt in but I'm confused.

@MinatoSparkle are you saying that Boruto didn't use TE against Code? or are you saying that he didn't use it against Kawaki (right after chasing him down)

 

[karo_senpaii]

Might mean he can channel it better without risk, since True Essence does cause him to possibly lose control. So he can channel it better than K1 which has no risk, but not necessarily as much as TE which can turn sour quickly. Would also explain why he implies Nerfed Naruto and Sasuke are above him to Daemon, despite TE Boruto~>Code>Delta~Non-Avatar SPSM Naruto>SM Naruto

except he never regarded karma as channeling momo power. He never does, first time he refers to it is when he was using true essence so the channel better would be in reference to true essence. also you're forgetting the odama rasengan than not even true essence boruto had enough power to do and is a borushiki trade mark, signifying he is closer than ever?
And your scalling is wrong. boruto in true essence matched code but would have still lost in a 1v1. He needed kawaki help. and even if he is above there is nothing wrong with his statement. Base naruto overloads and one shots delta with odama rasengan. no need for SM. your scale is based on physicals, forgetting naruto strongest attacks are jutsu. Jutsu that in base is above his non avatar spsm physicals

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

me waiting for arc sandbox and 5b beyond God tiers

This weekend, I was waiting for this chapter

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Don't mean to butt in but I'm confused.

@MinatoSparkle are you saying that Boruto didn't use TE against Code? or are you saying that he didn't use it against Kawaki (right after chasing him down)

Against Kawaki

except he never regarded karma as channeling momo power. He never does, first time he refers to it is when he was using true essence so the channel better would be in reference to true essence.

How sure are you about that? Also I don't see Boruto calling TE channeling, just Eida. Even if he did mean what you said, him thinking he can control it better than before doesn't mean he's gonna take the risk.

also you're forgetting the odama rasengan than not even true essence boruto had enough power to do and is a borushiki trade mark, signifying he is closer than ever?
And your scalling is wrong. boruto in true essence matched code but would have still lost in a 1v1. He needed kawaki help. and even if he is above there is nothing wrong with his statement. Base naruto overloads and one shots delta with odama rasengan. no need for SM. your scale is based on physicals, forgetting naruto strongest attacks are jutsu. Jutsu that in base is above his non avatar spsm physicals

It really wasn't that big. Also TE Boruto not doing it doesn't mean he can't, he only used one normal Rasengan in the fight when trying to make Code let go of Kawaki, and obviously if he made a big one there, Kawaki would've been hit too. If anything Boruto had the upperhand, landing more hits and Eida being pretty concerned for Code's life. Kawaki did almost nothing, only occupying one of his arms for a brief moment with his clone and that's it.

There's really no proof that Base Naruto could overload her absorption considering SPSM Naruto needed a Super Oodama Rasengan for that, or one shot her considering she survived even a SPSM Super Super Oodama Rasengan (which even if not at FP, should be far above Base Naruto's equivalent attack) which left Naruto worn out afterward. Also regardless of Delta scaling, the narrative is just that Code>Nerfed Naruto, something Amado and Code posited despite his ninjutsu.

 

[KingogKings777]

It doesn't seem like Himarwari scales at all to Jura.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Against Kawaki

How sure are you about that? Also I don't see Boruto calling TE channeling, just Eida. Even if he did mean what you said, him thinking he can control it better than before doesn't mean he's gonna take the risk.

It really wasn't that big. Also TE Boruto not doing it doesn't mean he can't, he only used one normal Rasengan in the fight when trying to make Code let go of Kawaki, and obviously if he made a big one there, Kawaki would've been hit too. If anything Boruto had the upperhand, landing more hits and Eida being pretty concerned for Code's life. Kawaki did almost nothing, only occupying one of his arms for a brief moment with his clone and that's it.

There's really no proof that Base Naruto could overload her absorption considering SPSM Naruto needed a Super Oodama Rasengan for that, or one shot her considering she survived even a SPSM Super Super Oodama Rasengan (which even if not at FP, should be far above Base Naruto's equivalent attack) which left Naruto worn out afterward. Also regardless of Delta scaling, the narrative is just that Code>Nerfed Naruto, something Amado and Code posited despite his ninjutsu.

1. I'm pretty sure I am. Regardless of who made the statement the context here is channeling momo power only came into place from true essence. plus i'm pretty sure boruto mentioned it. And he did take the risk, that's exactly why seconds later momo could briefly take over.

2. It was quite big, and an odama rasengan is still one. you would need proof true essence can. Kawaki was not in the way, kawaki was actually quite out of the way as boruto specifically told him to step back coz it was now dangerous. There was no reason not to use a big attack that scales far above his physicals. I didn't say code is stronger than boruto. Stop focusing on physicals. Code would win in a 1v1 due to better use of his abilities. Also, eida only actually became concerned and told him to run when momo appeared.

3. A fatigued and drained base naruto produced same super odama raswengan against mom. this is not a point. And she did not survive a SPSM naruto rasengan. Naruto made it clear he held back so she would not die but just be unconscious. The point is if she could bleed and take damage from spsm naruto punches then she would die from a cho odama rasengan that is far above said physicals to a beyond one shot state. Do you know in this argument naruto has not used sage mode.

lastly even code was like "ehhn well i should be able to win 1v1" and amado was like "he was unclear how much weaker naruto was, but things probably won't go his way". All these statements are not certain and showed they would be relative. Code ability makes him quite hard to deal with even if you are a bit stronger. Someone evenly matched would most likely lose to him. also i don't think they factored sage mode

 

[Gokukid2005]

Himawari and Kurama's existence is intriguing

Her healing is also better than whatever Naruto was capable of and closer to Bijuu reforming from chakra so that's a solid statement.

And this is just LOL levels of insane.
Boruto really worked his ass off this timeskip so his base is just that much better than whatever anyone else is capable of.

 

[KaydeeX]

Himawari and Kurama's existence is intriguing

Her healing is also better than whatever Naruto was capable of and closer to Bijuu reforming from chakra so that's a solid statement.

And this is just LOL levels of insane.
Boruto really worked his ass off this timeskip so his base is just that much better than whatever anyone else is capable of.

I hope the Jura headbutt panel don’t get animated like the Boruto headbutt scene

 

[HelloThere1089]

I hope the Jura headbutt panel don’t get animated like the Boruto headbutt scene

I hope it has the bonk sound effect.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

1. I'm pretty sure I am.

Regardless of who made the statement the context here is channeling momo power only came into place from true essence. plus i'm pretty sure boruto mentioned it. And he did take the risk, that's exactly why seconds later momo could briefly take over.

I mean it's plain to see that it's not the same as what he used against Code, so it could just be a lesser version of channeling his power.

2. It was quite big, and an odama rasengan is still one. you would need proof true essence can.

No, you're the one that claimed that he can't use it, I'm just saying it's unprovable either way so an argument can't be based around that.

Kawaki was not in the way, kawaki was actually quite out of the way as boruto specifically told him to step back coz it was now dangerous. There was no reason not to use a big attack that scales far above his physicals. I didn't say code is stronger than boruto. Stop focusing on physicals. Code would win in a 1v1 due to better use of his abilities. Also, eida only actually became concerned and told him to run when momo appeared.

I'm talking about here when Code was holding Kawaki. This and the Vanishing Rasengan are the only times he uses Rasengan at all in the fight. Also even with the use of his claw marks, he didn't have the upperhand. No she was concerned throughout.

3. A fatigued and drained base naruto produced same super odama raswengan against mom. this is not a point.

Size =/= strength. Base Kid Naruto's Rasengan is the same in appearance as SPSM Naruto's Normal Rasengan, but the power is orders of magnitude apart.

And she did not survive a SPSM naruto rasengan. Naruto made it clear he held back so she would not die but just be unconscious.

Yes he held back from his full power, but he still felt the need to use Super Super Oodama Rasengan, and kept that blasting her for quite a while to take her out, meaning Naruto's Hypothetical Strongest Rasengan>Delta's survivability (not the same as durability)~SPSM Super Super Oodama Rasengan>>Nerfed Naruto's Super Super Oodama Rasengan. Not to say Nerfed Naruto wouldn't do a lot of damage to her with the attack, he would, but she wouldn't be in nearly as bad a state.

The point is if she could bleed and take damage from spsm naruto punches then she would die from a cho odama rasengan that is far above said physicals to a beyond one shot state.

Demonstrably not

Do you know in this argument naruto has not used sage mode.

Doesn't matter since Delta scales to SPSM Naruto's Rasengan.

lastly even code was like "ehhn well i should be able to win 1v1" and amado was like "he was unclear how much weaker naruto was, but things probably won't go his way". All these statements are not certain and showed they would be relative. Code ability makes him quite hard to deal with even if you are a bit stronger. Someone evenly matched would most likely lose to him. also i don't think they factored sage mode

Sure, so in overall combat ability TE Boruto~/~>Code~>Nerfed Naruto, so either way Boruto's statement doesn't make much sense as he indicates a sizeable gap between him and Naruto/Sasuke (thinks that even with him being a weakling, Naruto and Sasuke are worthy of being considered decent/strong fighters). I don't see why they wouldn't, when that's not tied to him having Kurama at all.

 

[ssgengar]

I’m confused, what exactly happened here?