1. Yeah no . Kakashi was definitely not going at his top speed. It's a training match, he's going to be holding back. Lee and neji are not his peers. They are his seniors . And this is in reference to strength and not just base naruto stats. With a rasengan and odama rasengan Yeah naruto is definitely top of his peers. That doesn’t do anything for speed. We go by feats and naruto base speed pales in comparison. Dodging a kunai doesn’t scale you to the person combat speed and thanks for acknowledging granny chiyo was not going all out.
He literally
had to use the Sharingan and was
clearly pressured, in addition to having various scratches.
To be more precise, Danzo
says that Naruto and Sai are stronger than everyone of the same generation, and a generation is definitely more than a 1 year bracket.
お前はうずまきナルトと歳もさほど変わらぬ上･･･里の同世代の誰よりも強く･･････何よりもあの･･･素晴らしい絵心は感嘆の一言じゃ
You are not much different in age from Uzumaki Naruto, yet you are stronger than anyone of the same generation in the village... Above all, that... wonderful artistic talent is simply astonishing.
To be top tier with Rasengan, he needs to actually be able to land it on opponents of that caliber.
Why does it not? A kunai is just someone using their combat speed and applying it to an object much lighter than themselves. Also projectiles are usually faster than combat speed irl from what ik.
She was still angry and is a highly skilled jonin.
Sakura whole fighting style is just another fancy Shunshin , focusing chakra on her feet to boost speed as well as her hands to boost strength. She just takes it to a whole new level. I guess sai is high jonin level I'd admit. And that's the point. Not all jonin are on that level but High ranking jonin are which is why they can easily react to sasuke.
You just ignored my whole point.
2. You know shunshin blitzes characters with already comparable speed right? For deidara to even react it means he has no problem definitely with sasuke speed.
That's a bit inconsistent since it's not like relative characters are just blitzing and one shotting people relative to them when they have some sort of hax that allows them to ignore durability, but either way even his
regular combat speed was overwhelming for Deidara.
3. Like I said. Read the panels after for context. Suigetsu specifically commented on his bloodlust and how he was going to kill them. Nothing about speed. 2 people absorbed in battle are not going to be focused much on their surroundings. Of course sasuke suddenly coming in would have them suprised.
This does not matter. Something being more concerning doesn't mean another factor didn't exist. This is just an argument from ignorance. Suigetsu commented on his bloodlust but not his speed so he wasn't blitzed?
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Kawaki didn't comment on Boruto's improved speed with K2 but obviously that improved a ton. If something is obvious, a statement accompanying it is fine but superficial. Also regardless of whether you think it was a blitz or not, Sasuke absolutely speed gapped them by running between them and coiling around them before they could move much at all.
.4. actually no. Granny chiyo helped her. she didn't keep up just by herself. And you're just helping my point that a sakura actively using her combat style has no problem with speed. Okay let's say sasori has one attack cut above any other in speed. So? That doesn't negate the statement that generally sakura can keep up.
Those feats I showed were Sakura on her own.
This Sakura is
resolve amped, her normal "High Jonin level" self doesn't scale to it at all. Also Sasori fight Sakura<~Sasori~/>3KK>Rasa~FKS/eWA Gaara>BoS Gaara~Deidara>>BoS Sakura (he can react to 3T Shunshin Hebi Sasuke while Sakura can't even perceive Base Shunshin BoS Sasuke). I'd argue this Sakura is Mid-High Kage level.
I'm arguing against your general mindset which seems to be that blitz tiers are very few.
5. Come on man. A burnt up asuma with other injuries? It doesn't work like that
It's still Asuma, and injuries aren't gonna change your reaction speed that much especially when the main injury was to his leg which is unrelated to him being able to block or try to use some jutsu or what have you.
6. That just means they were weakened coz their ass had been whooped repeatedly already. And ino is not the good case to show a high jonin in combat. Maybe choji but definitely not ino.
Ok...so Kakuzu is a blitz tier above Choji who you concede has a case for being High Jonin level, thanks.
A fatigued Kakashi being relative to hidan does not negate the point that a fully healthy Kakashi can fully keep up with kakuzu. It just more solidifies the point that high jonin have no problem with speed as regards akatsuki.
You're ignoring something very blatant. Hidan is relative to Asuma in speed. So whether a FP Kakashi can keep up with Merged Kakuzu or not, it makes Kakuzu a blitz tier above Asuma. So one of the slowest Akatsuki members is a blitz tier above one of the fastest jonin.
7. Not really. They were facing front and the sand came from back. They won't see it. And I'm not agreeing with you..I'm saying a sand with reaction faster than v1 is so high that high jonin not scaling to it is not a problem
It has to go past Cee, and considering he was looking right at Ay and Sasuke with no particular visual obstructions, it would've been very easy to see the sand travelling between them, whether the sand flew in from Cee's left, right, or even from above to ground level. But fine if you don't care whether or not it's a blitz tier above High Jonin I'll drop it.
8.He might be fast sure but that's still minato bro. The dude that was faster than ay? Can't blame the guy for not keeping up.
9. You can't scale sick itachi to healthy itachi. Simply take that itachi as stronger than his edo self. The dude could keep up with kcm1 naruto without shunshin. I believe i don't need to say further
I think P1 Itachi vs Edo Itachi is a bit more complicated than that, cause while he may have weakened due to sickness in P2, he also might've gotten amps that he didn't have in P1 from fighting and training. So it'd be like P1 Itachi is 100, P2 Itachi is 100 - 80 + 30, and Edo Itachi is 100 + 30 - 5, making Edo Itachi overall stronger. But either way, 3T Edo Itachi only kept up with a KCM Naruto that was massively clone nerfed. He is still above the bar I assume you have for who High Jonins can keep up with though so whatever.
10. explained further why you think v1 kage is just low kage level .
I don't think he's Low Kage, I think he's Mid Kage level.
11. again that's a suprise not an "in the midst of battle thing" that's not a blitz. He could have even used Shunshin. There is just not enough evidence.
He was literally about to attack Kabuto, he was definitely on guard. Also even if he used Shunshin, he also had to wrap his snake around Kabuto in time.
12. You may stand on your points but it doesn't change the fact that said jonin in several occasions kept up with akatsuki.
Yes on several occasions very strong jonin keep up with very slow members of the Akatsuki, but High Jonin level characters are definitely not faster than lightning speed characters either way, especially by several times.
Also sage mode is an outright blitz. Both jiraiya and naruto blitzed bodies that were formerly keeping up with them
It is
not.
Konan wank goes crazy
Deepa slams
Konan tagging Obito before he can teleport despite Obito warping in and out of Jinton to save Sasuke is pretty crazy
