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Naruto: Sub-Relativistic Upgrade

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This calc has been accepted by two calc members, which puts Sasuke's speed at Mach 19K. This thread is to discuss who scales to this feat, and whether or not this feat is an outlier.


I believe that this feat should not be an outlier considering we have multiple calcs by characters inferior to Sasuke that range from Mach 2-3.7K.


This would scale to: Base Naruto (Pain Fight), Sage Mode, KCM, and Bijuu Mode, Taka Sasuke, and Kage Summit Sasuke, Byakugou and New Era Sakura, Kakashi (Pain arc and above), Yamato, Sai (War Arc and New Era), Team 8, Team 10, Asuma, Team Guy, Might Guy, Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato (All Forms), Tsunade, Mei Terumi, Raikage, Onoki, A (Third Raikage), Darui, Muu, Rasa, Orochimaru, Sage Kabuto, Karin, Suigetsu, Shin Uchiha, Obito, Deidara, Kisame, Itachi, All Jinchuriki, Madara, Danzo, Jiraiya, Kankuro (War Arc), Temari (War Arc), Kinkaku, Ginkaku, Hanzo, Mifune. These are all of the characters I believe should scale.
 
Could someone post a picture of Sasuke actually dodging the attack?
 
Calcs can be mathematically correct while still being based on incorrect info.

A weakened, exhausted Sasuke having a better speed feat than 100% of the verse up to that point seems worth examining a bit more, right?
 
....we literally got other calcs that scale above Sasuke damage.

If your saying this is an outlier it's definitely not lol.

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Fortunately we got knowledgeable calc members who are Naruto fans to evaluate the cal so the information isn't wrong

Also this calc is old. The events of it were looked at like a year or two ago. This is jsut a newer version of the old Kirin calc anyway
 
I explained why Sasuke had dodge on the blog. Currently and with the New Generation, there are feats Mach 2500 ~ 4000.
Although they are much stronger than Part 1 of the Manga, any of them are extremely weak and slow compared to Sasuke Hebi and especially Itachi ...

The fact that they are tired is irrelevant ... I do not remember having rules saying to find out something of the genre (honestly). If yes, then that's ok, I believe that the calculation can not be used ......
If there are no rules, there is nothing much to say. Sasuke barely resisted standing against Deidara, reacted to his explosion with various moves and etc, then it would not be the first time ...

I do not think anything of the sort is relevant, it's similar to Erza's.
 
I said 'up to that point', AstralKing7.

I am aware of better speed calcs that come later in the series, but those are performed by much, much more powerful characters.

At this point in the series the best speed feat is the Mach 3K feat by Pain, right? But base Sasuke is apparently over 6 times faster than that despite being exhausted?
 
Sarada and cia, are not much faster, even Naruto Base. And they have feats greater than Kakashi x Kakuzu. Not to say they're faster, right?

Guy is just said supersonic speed in the databook ... Let nerf he because of this? No ... It's normal to have stronger characters, to have feats slower or shorter than the other. It will simply escalate to that.
 
Damage3245 said:
I said 'up to that point', AstralKing7.

I am aware of better speed calcs that come later in the series, but those are performed by much, much more powerful characters.

At this point in the series the best speed feat is the Mach 3K feat by Pain, right? But base Sasuke is apparently over 6 times faster than that despite being exhausted?
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There are better feats but outliers which is why we don't use them. Itachi himself has a feat which we can't use because it's an outlier, sick Itachi at thatPlus Sasuke isn't even a regular ninja; he is already above elite Jonins.


Also pain was tired if your tryna use exhaustion as a reason to say we can't use the calc. Pain is way faster healthy compared to when he dodged Narutos FRS
 
Who has the Mach 4k? If it was a Boruto Generation Genin that has a 4K then yeah this shouldn't be an outlier unless u think that:

Genin < Shippuden Characters?
 
MostPowerfull said:
@Black

Sorry, I should have said next to Mach 4k.
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No problem. If indeed thought that they r next to 4K then yeah this ain't an outlier. Not only that but um....this will cause a bit of problems

Ex: 1Tail Naruto (Part 1)/ CM2 Sasuke (Part 1)/ Butterfly Choji (Part 1) should be stronger then the Boruto Generation Genins
 
Damage3245 said:
At this point in the series the best speed feat is the Mach 3K feat by Pain, right? But base Sasuke is apparently over 6 times faster than that despite being exhausted?
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>Newer generation is stronger than old generation.

>New generation has consistent 3k-5k calcs.

>Best speed feat for old generation before power creep was a tired and damaged Pain at Mach 3k.

>Somehow an even more tired and injured Sasuke weaker than Pain is Mach 17k.

>No other consistent or even close calcs that this Sasuke scales to.

That looks like an outlier right now.
 
Quick question, wasn't Sasuke's Kirin calced to have a speed value here?

That seems lower than the value that is used on the calc for Sasuke's dodging.
 
@IMade

No. The best feat was Sasuke Kirin which was like Mach 5060 and if Boruto Genins actually have a Mach 4K calc that's consistent then yeah this ain't an outlier
 
So Sasuke invented this incredible technique that he claimed nobody can evade... yet even when exhausted he can move almost 4 times faster than it and dodge it?

Anyone else thinks this seems fishy?
 
Yo you do realize Sasuke was surprised that Itachi evaded the attack right?? Sasuke was clearly exaggerating. He himself and Itachi managed to escape it. Itachi was already fast enough to bring Susanno up before he got hit

Your main argument is about someone being tired. In Naruto even when your tired you can do incredible feats and this is common.
 
Small clarification: Itachi didn't evade it, he blocked it with a surprise technique that Sasuke didn't even know existed.

But if Sasuke is Mach 19K then Itachi is also Mach 19K, and if Sasuke knew that his opponent was four times faster than his Kirin, why did he claim it was be impossible to evade?
 
@Damage

That's a HORRIFIC counterargument my dude. PLENTY of anime say exaggerating things when they go to do an attack, yet people still scale so stop
 
Sasuke didn't even know Itachi had Susanno what r u talking about??? He didn't even know what the concept of Susanno was a matter of fact and Sasuke was faster than that dying Itachi anyway
 
@AstralKing7; the OP states that Itachi would directly scale to it putting his combat speed at Mach 19K.

It is one thing for Sasuke to not know about Susano'o which is capable of blocking Kirin, but to not know how fast his opponent is and make up a claim that 'nobody can evade Kirin'?
 
New generation is stronger than Part 1. Did you really say that the New generation is stronger than the Jonins and etc of Part 2? Or who are stronger than Itachi and Cia?

It's a joke, right?
 
Did Itachi dodge Kirin??? Susanno is what helped Sasuke evade Kirin. Did Itachi use Susanno in the fight against Sasuke before Sasuke made the statement?? Itachi is already weakened through that fight anyway.

Sasuke has never fought anyone as fast as him during those arcs leading up to that fight. Believing that no one could dodge Kirin is believable when Sasuke in is incredibly fast.


Also your using that statement about kirins speed as if Sasuke made that statement including himself not being able to dodge it

He was going to have to dodge that attack the first time he was going to use it against Naruto and team 7 anyway in Base so yeah. This is not a outlier even for Base Sasuke.
 
Kirin is a natural lightning and has its speed explicit by the manga. Sasuke dodge from it, that's the reason for that.

And Sasuke saying that no one can deflect is a hyperbole ... He himself did it and probably should be referring to Itachi or trying to upset him.
In addition, it is irrelevant and inconsiderate, since the manga itself denies this speech, because, Zetsu said that Itachi's reaction was crap and he was much better than that moment on the fight.
 
If Sasuke dodged kirin that means a weakened Itachi scales to him because they were pretty even during their fight.

That means Sasuke decided to use a technique he knew he could dodge against someone who was keeping pace with him seconds earlier.
 
@Damage

Again. Plenty of characters in different anime say exaggerating this but people still scale to it so again stop it. Doesn't matter if he blocked or evade, he REACTED to it so again no. Sasuke was also keeping up with Itachi as well but not only that, characters scale as well since yeah Pein and Itachi r in the realm of strongest when it comes to the Akatsuki
 
Damage3245 said:
@AstralKing7; the OP states that Itachi would directly scale to it putting his combat speed at Mach 19K.

It is one thing for Sasuke to not know about Susano'o which is capable of blocking Kirin, but to not know how fast his opponent is and make up a claim that 'nobody can evade Kirin'?
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Edo Itachi would scale. He doesn't have a sick key, only an Edo Tensei key.
 
Itachi offered no danger to Sasuke, especially when they fought on the roof, after worsening his situation after using Tsukuyomi.

He was hit by guided Shuriken. It was hit by Katon, showed that he could not accompany him at all and was literally told that he did not have the same speed as before. And literally, at the time of the Kirin, it was a moment where Itachi was EXTREMELY weakened and injured. Nothing too much Sasuke to use his most powerful technique and trump card to try to kill him.
 
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