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Naruto god tiers upgrade

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Can i discuss with the admims of this site on why naruto characters are above regular planet level like that have him, why he should be placed at star level bare minimum and even solar system+, i have a ton of scans placing them at said levels. And tons of scans placing mid tier naruto characters at planet+
 
Okay when i cone back from college tommorow i will create another one. Just in case, by it wont be accepted do you mean no matter how good my arguments are you'll wont accept upgrading god tiers??? Ive made 100s of people on facebook on one post accept naruto being upgraded, just with scientific and philosopical reasoning
 
Seththe proggramer was made to change his mind on narito god tiers as he jas made a video putting them at large star to solar system
 
Well it's just that this had been argue for countless times that every single one was rejected. Though we still wanna look at what you've got and I'm sure u would still wanna present then yes? I'm sure one of yur arguments would be about a sun in one of Kaguya dimensions correct?

EDIT: "just with scientific and philosophical reasoning"

....oh? this will actually be interesting. I look forward to this now
 
Seth The Programmer agreeing to something doesn't mean that we share the same opinion. Plus the guy is rather inconsistent with his videos on how strong characters are ( Country level and Relativistic All Might comes to mind. ) as for this topic I don't think Naruto characters are Solar System level and I don't even know about the series too much. But if this is about the Dimension Kaguya created with a star that argument has been debunked dozens of times.
 
Seth always makes his way around here...

@Naruto-debater Do you want me to close this thread for now?.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Seth always makes his way around here...

@Naruto-debater Do you want me to close this thread for now?.
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That could be a good idea though is there a reason to have this thread on Hiatus?
 
@BlackeJen

Naruto-debater123 said he won't be commenting until tomorrow at 4pm and I don't want the thread to pick up unnecessary comments and get filled.
 
  • Planet level*
Kyubi was said to be able to turn the world to ash https://i.imgur.com/Z7AkLSg.

The definition for turning something to ash is to "completely destroy something with great heat" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reduce (something) to ashes

Before you claim it could mean village or island or country, kishimoto makes it perfectly clear when his reffering to universe,country, island, village and so on. Therefore its infered its reffering to destroying the planet https://i.imgur.com/zMxBKWU.png https://i.imgur.com/CPlLXNU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gNEpwZT.png

Refutes Its a "Hyperbole"

Its an ipse dixit(he himself said it) fallacy to claim something is something without evidence for said claim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipse_dixit

Therefore unless debunked kyuubi=planet level and so do all the kcm2 level fighters like dual rinnegan madara(no jubbi) hashriama sage mode, kcm2 minato and so on.

Before you claim his best "feats" are mountain level, and theres no feats placing him at planet level, remember naruto works on chakra control, therefore the power of said characters are infered from statements which are of course non hyperbolic, i.e universal temari. Claiming because a minority guidebooks have hyperboles therefore all them cant be reliable is a fallacy of composition (what is true for member of a group is true for the whole) https://i.imgur.com/chmLqLC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qasF7SG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/stecuyJ.jpg

Composition fallacy>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_compositio

Therefore the only conceivable way to dismantle this is to first refute naruto functioning on chakra control. Which for argumemt not to be dismissed under hitchens razor, it must follow burden of proof, where evidence is provided for a claim to be accepted. Hitchens razor>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens's_razor Burden of proof>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)

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Toneri after losing his tenseigan and after naruto and hinata destroyed his way of launching moon onto earth

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https://i.imgur.com/QYnTRWT.jpg
https://youtu.be/jkgVPPPnf8k

He was going to still destroy the planet https://i.imgur.com/Jjicw87.jpg in which after being launched into space, he absorbs solar energy and then that's when shikamari said his chakrs limits have reached and surpassed his limits scan https://youtu.be/BYQWXz-qKo0 (11:48)

another refute claiming toneri was going to launch moon to earth is ignorant and a confirmation bias (looking for information which backs up your claim or hypothesis even when its not in tune with reality) and in line with argument from emotion, which are both fallacious way to reason and therefore can be dismissed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotio

Therefore he was planet level via a weaker form, which wasn't even at full power.

The same guy who said ten tails was immeasurable in power https://i.imgur.com/xa0V24L.jpg And kaguya was said above ten tails by far and this wasnt even fully formed kaguya https://i.imgur.com/oKTFiBi.png And momoshiki was confident in smacking kaguya even though he along with the clan knew about her rebelion and her being sealed, and was confident in still beating her in base form https://i.imgur.com/wCuc2UH.png

Which urashiki beforehand says she feared them and knew about her rebelion and didnt contradict momoshiki https://i.imgur.com/vmpg9Cp.png https://i.imgur.com/r8rEe9x.png

Urashiki states the whole clan knew about her rebelion https://i.imgur.com/i6IPToq.jpg an top of claiming all the way to her loosing to her sons

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Fused momoshiki is said by sasuke to be much greater than before we know it means power die to him being bodied afterwards while before this he himself could take him on
https://i.imgur.com/yVhKZnq.png

Verdict fused momoshiki>>base momoshiki>>kaguya>>>juubi>>>>tenseigan toneri>>post tenseigan toneri weakened>planet level

Clear god tiers are easily planet level, using the statements their far above planet level thats been the case for a long time now

Kinshiki was said to be able to split worlds and obliterate all things https://i.imgur.com/vsk0iPI.jpg It'll also be a confirmation bias to conclude he can just split it which would put him at multi continental, we objectively know he is one of the 3 beings which kaguya feared https://i.imgur.com/O9QPqEa.jpg

And was said these beings greater than kaguya will apear within this land https://i.imgur.com/n9tEBnw.jpg And we know sasuke fought both these lot and kaguya so can gauge the power difference and infered momo and kin were greater than kaguya

Therefore kinshiki scales to kaguyas feats and more (Which ill get into kaguya later on)

  • Star level to solar system*
Kaguya as ive mentioned a lot was going to destroy her dimension https://i.imgur.com/v2VCQ23.png https://i.imgur.com/Iwu41OF.jpg Which we know is connected to her other ones as this pic of the novel where shown the moon that sasuke sealed kaguya, and here again were shown the same one floating in her ice dimension. https://i.imgur.com/lbCjz20.png https://i.imgur.com/L6tCHMk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lmO9Inl.jpg We know sthey contain stars https://i.imgur.com/lmO9Inl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/k3kdOqg.png https://i.imgur.com/uhaOdrz.jpg Therefore the feat was going to destroy a planet and a star(s)

Which would be star-multi star level and her destroying one planet and orbiting star was calced at large star to solar system level https://youtu.be/2lPKGPvQoIM (6:20+) Even her busting the radius of her planet and moon was calced at 10,000x planet level beyong large planet level near dwarf star level, ill refute argumemts against this now https://youtu.be/2lPKGPvQoIM(6:20+)

  • Refutes*
  • Seths calcs is unreliable because he w*nk db*
First you cannot claim someone is unreliable in db he is automatically unreliable, Ive seen a ton of people do this, You need to objectively prove his unreliable in naruto for his calcs to be dismissed, or to debunk the calcs for us to dismiss his inference from said clacs, if you can't debunk either of them, we accept said calcs as fact as it would be the most logical to accept via occams razor, because his calcs is backed up by the show and its lore unlike other calcs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Dismissing his calcs on the basis that his a you tuber therefore cant be taken seriously is a fallacy of apeal to authority (dismissing a claim due to the one claiming it lacking authority) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

I've seen a ton of people claim "a more people accept planet level god tiers therefore its factual"

That's a fallacy of majority or ad populum (claiming a majority of people belive one claim therefore its factual) i.e more people belive the sun is yellow, that does not make it factual. Therefore a claim founded on the majority thought is fallacious. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Biggest one was etso doesnt scale to kaguya but ive already debunked that claim, if you have any other "refutes" say them so i can dismantle them.

Verdict large star-solar system+

I will prove dimension has a star/ stars then explain how this makes him star to multi star and solar system to multi solar system One of my statements was that they're also multi solar system level if you dont agree with this one i dont mind im mostly going to argue for it to be changed from planet to star and solar system level but i will argue for multi ss as well, and it can't be dismissed without evidence hitchens razor

Finally momoshikis dimension was first confirmed to be his own creation https://i.imgur.com/zRRVjul.png https://i.imgur.com/54x4vPE.png And we know the dimension he was in with kinshiki looks like this, its filled with a lot of god trees dead ones, and this resembles the topology of his dimension own dimension, which also has a dead landscape full of god trees https://i.imgur.com/vg8yfps.jpg And this has a plothera of stars within. https://i.imgur.com/aY6r3wv.jpg And even when its 100% confirmed its his dimension it at least has a star as 1) star light can be deduced to being a star via occams razor caliming its flase star or artificial one is needed to be proven by claimant https://i.imgur.com/2xwgUp6.png 2) blue outline around his planet (this is caused when star light is scattered across the atmosphere giving the blue outline https://i.imgur.com/2XbYOwv.png https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/ What does this have anything to do with anything you ask??? Because the conversation of mass-energy dictate energy cannot be created or destroyed but be converted into other forms in a closed system, the system at hand can be any system even the universe can be cconsidered a system, and that mass remains constant https://i.imgur.com/FyfR9Ve.jpg As Michio kaku said energy cannot appear out of nowhere, as he said the ammount of energy used in a system remains constant, all momoshiki did was convert chakra energy into his dimension, which via this law equate to him being capable of blowing up said dimension , so people who claim creation>destruction are not well versed in science. https://i.imgur.com/FyfR9Ve.jpg Therefore momoshiki=multi solar system level+
 
if anyone cares to debate about anything written here so i can elaborate feel free, i forgot to show how kaguyas etso scales to her so before you make yojr final verdict give me time to make a little thread on that
 
Let's start with the first. Kyubi can tun the world to Ash... No feats close that and it doesn't say how long it would take him so no Planet level Kurama.
 
We've been over that star dimension before. It's been discussed to death.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Let's start with the first. Kyubi can tun the world to Ash... No feats close that and it doesn't say how long it would take him so no Planet level Kurama.
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No wait a minute....i remember watching a seth vidoe that had a databook that said that Kurama can destroy earth (he showed it in his video but i could never find it online)


EDIT: OMG HE HAS IT! yes this is what ive seen. Im gonna show it to the others and see what they think
 
first of ipse dixit falalcy for making claim without evidence, second the scan said he can easly do so, meaning doesnt take him effort to blow up the planet. Third i already proved in the thresd how narito works on chskrs control therefore claiming feats debunk it is fallacious
 
discussed with who, unless you can debunk my thread you cant dismiss a claim without providing evidence, ipse dixit and burden of proof dicate so, and so does hitchens razor
 
Lol, the whole series is my proof. The Nine Tails has no feats of planet busting and that statement doesn't state how long it would take him.

I can't believe you just said Kurama can bust the planet with no effort.

By your logic I could go upgrade Dark Cloud to star level.
 
Now now....i always though that 50% or 100% Kurama is alot higher then Low 6-B or 6B. Though i thought that you were gonna argue using scientific and philosophical reasoning....where is it?
 
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