Naruto Ability Thread

[Jvando]

Alright Damage, when Momoshiki absorbes a technique, does he change it in anyway? Or does he return it the way it was taken?

Strawman? You're saying that the visuals support your point which they literally don't. Both Momoshiki and Pain's technique is an outward repulsive force. You can't logically hold that they are different techniques especially when you keep saying "he absorbed some wind technique earlier" yet you provide no proof.

You say it's "outward and invisible" while seemingly ignoring the image of Pain utilizing the technique while there's a visible aura around him. What is shown is > than what you think and your arguments do not support Momoshiki a random wind style technique.

 

[Jvando]

At best it should only say on his profile that he can Possibly use the abilities, but he has never done so in canon.

However I'm still firmly against adding in abilities based on just our assumptions instead of what the series shows us or tells us.

Funny you say that because you are the one assuming that Momoshiki utilized a random wind style jutsu, with no proof and the series does show and tell us that the Rinnegan, in general, comes with a basic set of abilities. Utilizing your own logic, Momoshiki should get the techniques that come with the Rinnegan.

 

[Damage3245]

@Jvando; the visuals do support my point. I've explained it you repeatedly.

Almighty Push = Outward, invisible gravity.

Momoshiki's Jutsu = Spinning, visible blast of wind.

Just look at the dust clouds after his technique has been performed; which way are they moving Jvando?

As for proof; it has been pointed out that his eyes glow when he releases the blast. When else do his eyes glow? When he is absorbing or releasing a jutsu.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Damage

It's stated by every credible source that it is a Rinnegan, I see no reason why it would be massively different from the other rinnegan, it would take more assumptions that it's somehow a completely different dojutsu than just to assume the easiest answer, also it's purple in the manga not red.

him not using it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, this is a fairly common trope in fiction, all we do like we do with every other fictional character on wiki that logically should have certain abilities but don't use them. We add a note that specifies that the character should be able to use them despite the character not doing so and it's for the OP if he creates a thread with the character to specify,see Yhwach and his sternritter abilities and Sasuke with Itachi's.


@Jovando Please no wall of text, it's hard to read through the CRT

 

[Jvando]

Alright Damage, when Momoshiki absorbes a technique, does he change it in anyway? Or does he return it the way it was taken?

 

[Damage3245]

@Shadow; I was against Yhwach having the Sternritter abilities too and had to settle on a compromise that the abilities be in a separate tab with the explanatory note.

If we do that with Momoshiki, I'd accept it, but I feel like we're making a mistake.

I also don't see where it was implied in the series that Sasuke would gain all of Itachi's techniques. He has only shown his own techniques after gaining EMS with no statement of being able to use Tsukuyomi.

@Jvando; If you're going to ignore my questions, I'm going to ignore yours.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@damage

Then I don't see the problem with doing it here considering the Rinnegan's basic abilities is tied with its biology of the eye as oppose to the specific user, in the same way, Nagato was able to use Madara's eyes. I understand your reasoning that what's being shown should be what we use and it's fine if it's the only information we have available but it shouldn't be the only thing we use when there a larger context involved, because this type of chain of logic will often lead to pedantic arguments that rely on logical fallacies such as the argument from ignorance.

also, I'm fine with the use of possibly

 

[Jvando]

@Shadow; I was against Yhwach having the Sternritter abilities too and had to settle on a compromise that the abilities be in a separate tab with the explanatory note.

If we do that with Momoshiki, I'd accept it, but I feel like we're making a mistake.

I also don't see where it was implied in the series that Sasuke would gain all of Itachi's techniques. He has only shown his own techniques after gaining EMS with no statement of being able to use Tsukuyomi.

@Jvando; If you're going to ignore my questions, I'm going to ignore yours.

Great way to debate Damage, especially considering the fact that I had asked you that question earlier but alright. The dust spun around him a bit...and? That doesn't automatically mean he used a Wind release jutsu which you still haven't answered me on.

Even if this was a wind release jutsu, Momo should still get the Rinnegan associated abilities by virtue of him having a Rinnegan. The idea that he hasn't used the techniques so he doesn't have them is meaningless when you consider that even Sasuke hasn't shown the Use of every single Rinnegan ability but we reasonable assume he has them because of his Rinnegan.

 

[Damage3245]

@Shadow; because I think sometimes we insert information into profiles that stems more from what we think "should be true" rather than what is presented to us.

The idea that Rinnegan means "This user can automatically use all of the Six Paths jutsu by default" is possibly an outdated one, given that we've had characters with the Rinnegan introduced who show no knowledge of the Six Paths techniques, let alone the ability to use them.

But I digress; if we absolutely must add the abilities to his profiles let's just say he can Possibly use them and add a note to the bottom of the profile.

And I'm still firmly against Kaguya having them. Her situation is even worse than Momoshiki's.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

And I'm still firmly against Kaguya having them. Her situation is even worse than Momoshiki's.

we have argued over this over three threads and never agreed, however, the consensus was met so it's not something I'm going to touch on again

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The idea that Rinnegan means "This user can automatically use all of the Six Paths jutsu by default" is possibly an outdated one, given that we've had characters with the Rinnegan introduced who show no knowledge of the Six Paths techniques, let alone the ability to use them.

I agree with this, it's quite ridiculous now. Just look at a single Boruto episode featuring Urashiki. There have been way too many oppurtunites for them to display just 1 or 2 of those abilities.

 

[Naeblis495]

i agree with the compromise of the rinnengan users that didn't clearly displayed rinnegan abilities to have another key where they can use them .

 

[Ayewale]

Most of the six paths jutsu seem like basic techniques, though. A guy with the rinnegan should have all the abilities, but not any specific techniques.

Also, as for Urashiki not using them, couldn't just be a whole load of PIS?

 

[AstralKing7]

@Jvando; the visuals do support my point. I've explained it you repeatedly.

Almighty Push = Outward, invisible gravity.

Momoshiki's Jutsu = Spinning, visible blast of wind.

Just look at the dust clouds after his technique has been performed; which way are they moving Jvando?

As for proof; it has been pointed out that his eyes glow when he releases the blast. When else do his eyes glow? When he is absorbing or releasing a jutsu.

What??? U do realize Nagatos and Pains almighty push has did this as well as Madara's right???

Nani??


Literally when pain used AP agaisnt the toads we saw air being pushed


Dude??? Maybe u should go re watch and re read naruto

 

[Damage3245]

@AstralKing7; I think you've misread my post pretty badly to think that my argument is "Pain didn't push air."

I'm done discussing this; I've settled on a compromise with Shadow.

 

[Omimi]

@Omimi; kind of glossing over the fact that Kaguya never had the Rinnegan in the first place.
She awakened the Rinne Sharingan directly after eating the Chakra Fruit.

she has

sasuke says IT is rinnegan jutsu

sasuke says jubi has rinnegan

and bold is headcanon unless u can show any evidence to back up your claim

madara says one must have rinnegan to awaken/open rinne sharingan

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Jesus, people are really using assumptions over scans.. wow....

 

[Kidkinsey]

yeah its much more beliveable that momo used AP then to assume he randomly had a wind jutsu that works exactly the same saved for that moment

 

[Damage3245]

@Kidkinsey; I completely disagree.

Let's move on from Momoshiki now.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Can we find other staff members to help with this thread because some of the names I see in this thread are literally always attempting to take away something from the narutoverse for some absurd reason. I don't know what weird vendetta they have it's pretty wierd.

If you get offended about the statement I just made chances are it applies to you, and you're going to give me some empty warning to shut me up because you know im right.

I said what I said.

 

[Damage3245]

@Celestial Judge; I'm not offended, I just think you're wrong.

This kind of thing happens to every verse. Naruto is nothing special; it just happens to have an active group of supporters who always try to defend it in every thread.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

@Celestial Judge; I'm not offended, I just think you're wrong.
This kind of thing happens to every verse. Naruto is nothing special; it just happens to have an active group of supporters who always try to defend it in every thread.

Of course theres fanboys. Theres Naruto fanboys, Bleach fanboys, One Piece fanboys, etc. However whenever theres a Naruto revision theres a group of staffmembers always spewing nonsense that probably haven't even read or watched the source material either trying to downplay or downgrade. I've seen it too many times.

Again I said what I said. You can think whatever you want. Those who I offended with that statement know im right. I'm just pointing it out because others are afraid to say anything,

 

[Rocker1189]

This kind of thing happens to every verse. Naruto is nothing special; it just happens to have an active group of supporters who always try to defend it in every thread.

Nah, it really didn't happen with every verse.

Lol you say that as if it is a bad thing. Are you saying the supporters are the reason we have 10 downgrade threads a week or the weird vendetta he mentioned? Because logically this sentence makes no sense when reading what you are responding to.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

My words: Can we find other staff members to help with this thread because some of the names I see in this thread are literally always attempting to take away something from the narutoverse for some absurd reason. I don't know what weird vendetta they have it's pretty wierd

'The response I got: 'This kind of thing happens to every verse. Naruto is nothing special; it just happens to have an active group of supporters who always try to defend it in every thread.

What.....

 

[Damage3245]

This conversation doesn't really serve any purpose for the thread, it's borderline derailing.

Do you want to get back on topic?

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Im about to just request for other staff for their opinions.

 

[Omimi]

naruto should get Instinctive Reaction (kurama chakra can save naruto from any danger or kurama chakra can attack naruto's opponent by itself)

 

[AstralKing7]

Right

 

[Omimi]

izanagi user should get Subjective Reality

 

[Kidkinsey]

naruto should get Instinctive Reaction (kurama chakra can save naruto from any danger or kurama chakra can attack naruto's opponent by itself)

good one

 

[Damage3245]

That's not really instinctive reaction since the chakra isn't acting automatically; it's still being controlled and therefore limited to Kurama's reactions, presumably.

 

[AstralKing7]

No Kurama doesn't have any control. That's stated. Assuming Kurama is controlling the chakra is head canon when that's never stated before

 

[Damage3245]

Sasuke states "It's as if his chakra has a mind of its ow".

Sasuke doesn't know about the existence of Kurama yet.

Seems like a logical conclusion that if Naruto is using Kurama's chakra and that chakra is operating under someone's control that isn't Naruto's, then the mind controlling it must be Kurama.

 

[AstralKing7]

Mind of its own is an expression that is used so much around the world without need prior context when u see something moving on it's own


Tell me why Kurama is onyl states to be able to control Naruto when he is in 4 tails?

Kurama was never stated to have any control over 3 tails


KCM Naruto when in danger never had his chakra used automatically by Kurama.

 

[Damage3245]

Kurama didn't control Naruto in the scans up above. It was only the chakra that moved to attack Sasuke.

I still don't see this as being Instinctive Reaction.

 

[Omimi]

what your justification for saying That's not instinctive reaction

Sasuke doesn't know about the existence of Kurama yet.

he dont need to know anyway

+ we dont know if chakra was control by kurama but we know that that wasnt naruto

and no its not mind control

it was clearly state kurama can only take over naruto after 3 tails emerge so

saying kurama control that chakra = headcanon and trying go against manga evidence

 

[Damage3245]

> and no its not mind control

Who said anything about mind control?

 

[Omimi]

Seems like a logical conclusion that if Naruto is using Kurama's chakra and that chakra is operating under someone's control that isn't Naruto's, then the mind controlling it must be Kurama.


u said

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Under Naruto's SM key he should have it noted that he can use natural energy to attack opponents.

 

[Omimi]

agree

pa also said that