Nanatsu No Taizai Discussion Thread 13

[PaChi2]

Ludoshel should be High 6-C+. He got fodderized by Zeldris.

 

[Peter1129]

Ludoshel is At least High 6-C+ because he's far stronger than True Form Chandler and Cusack who are far stronger than Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas who is Likely High 6-C+.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Well of course. High 6-C+ starts at AM Meliodas or the Masters.

 

[PaChi2]

I was just pointing that out in case someone thought that 200k was = Low 6-B.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Ludoshel is At least High 6-C+ because he's far stronger than True Form Chandler and Cusack who are far stronger than Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas who is Likely High 6-C+.

Yes, far stronger since. Even a tiny difference in combat class of like 2000 allowed Meliodas to stomp Foddergland

 

[Peter1129]

Low 6-B should only be reserved for the characters who could stomp characters that stomp 200k characters.

 

[Peter1129]

Yes, far stronger since. Even a tiny difference in combat class of like 2000 allowed Meliodas to stomp Foddergland

That was Drole. Against Galand his power level was over 5000 higher than his.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I'm talking about their Combat Class. Don't forget the three categories of power levels.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

What happened to the High 6-B ratings? Was the calc debunked?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Yeah, awhile back.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Didn't DK create The Original Demon? If so I think he should get their abilities. Also wasn't he able to force them into 2 beings? Don't know what I'd call that hax.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

The DK split the OG demon's soul into two. That's soul manipulation of course. But we don't know if the OG demon has any powers from the DK just yet

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

But didn't he create him?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Well yeah

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

IMO

Tarmiel = 221 Gigatons

Near Noon Escanor = >221 Gigatons

AM Meliodas = At least 442 Gigatons

Zeldris with God = >442 Gigatons

Zeldris Full Power = At least 884 Gigatons

Original Demon = 1 Teraton

Still don't know where Low 6-B for Zeldris and Escanor came from, even with both 2x multipliers, they aren't Low 6-B

 

[Peter1129]

Near-Noon Escanor is far stronger than Tarmiel not just a bit stronger and full counter doubles the attacks AP.

Zeldris w/ God is far stronger than True Form Chandler who is stronger True Form Cusack who is far stronger than Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas who is baseline High 6-C+ via stomping Near-Noon Escanor who no sold a over 442 Gigaton attack.

Zeldris w/ God, Ominous Nebula, and 2nd Demon Mark is at least 2x stronger than Zeldris w/ God and Ominous Nebula who stomped Ludoshel who is slightly stronger than Zeldris w/ God.

The Original Demon is at least stronger than both The One and Full Power Zeldris combined so he's much more than just 1 Teraton.

You're missing a lot of scaling in between them.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

With the scaling chain+ multipliers. Zeldris w all his abilities and The One are near-borderline Low 6-B. As in 999 gigatons. This is a thing many other verses have done.

Again, you can't be 10% stronger than someone and stomp them. That is absolutely not how that works.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

You can't scale Escanor to 2x his own AP, he didn't take that attack, he dodged that Cruel Sun, you would scale the 2x multiplier to AM Meliodas and not Escanor, therefore Mel is 442 Gigatons and then Chandler scales to slightly above that and then you make Zeldris around 900 Gigatons at best, not Low 6-B

 

[Peter1129]

Perfect Cube contained the attack and reflected it back again so both Near-Noon Escanor and Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas tanked the attack twice. Also Chandler doesn't scale slightly above that. He's far above Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas.

And like I said you are skipping out a lot of scaling in between them.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Then you once again can't scale Escanor to 2x his own AP, you would scale that AM Meliodas meaning he is 442 Gigatons, that's dumb, if the initial Escanor attack is 221 Gigatons, and then you scale Escanor to twice that, then that would be a paradox

 

[Peter1129]

Ehh even if Near-Noon Escanor doesn't scale to that Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas would still be Likely High 6-C+ for being at least twice as strong as Near-Noon Escanor at the end of the fight who is far stronger than his 114k form at the beginning of the fight which is already far stronger than Tarmiel. And I have a hard time believing that Near-Noon Escanor At his peak isn't a mere 1.25x stronger than Tarmiel since going by power levels alone Near-Noon Escanor is already over 1.25x stronger than Tamriel at the beginning of the fight.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Near noon Escanor is unquantifiably above 221 Gigatons, you can't scale Meliodas to more than 2x Escanor, therefore Meliodas is High 6-C, and Zeldris would be High 6-C+ with his full power, you can't give the scale small jumps inside to get barely Low 6-B, that's not how we should be doing this

 

[Peter1129]

You know we could right? That's basically how baseline High 6-C Near-Noon Escanor via upscaling from Unsealed Demon Mark Meliodas' 43 Gigaton 6-C feat was accepted by the staff back then.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

"Unquantifiably"

Think outside of the box for once. How you can think that AM Meliodas is only 1% stronger than Near-Noon Escanor is beyond me. I'm not even going to continue with you, I might as well be talking to a wall.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

This is what Demon is saying.

"I'm not saying Near-Noon Escanor isn't stronger than Tarmiel. But I'm saying he isn't stronger than Tarmiel"

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm sick of this 1% argument, I'm not saying that, I'm saying AM Mel is twice as strong as Escanor, I'm saying Escanor is somewhat stronger than Tarmiel who is 221 Gigatons, so therefore Meliodas is greater than 442 Gigatons by an unknown amount

 

[VersusJunkie54]

"Somewhat Stronger"

Estarossa with his third Commandment was probably around 116K, and he casually defeated both Tarmiel and Sariel. Escanor was probably past 116K in the later parts of the battle.

 

[Zezu1995]

tbh... after mael got back his memories he got his powers back and im assuming his normal PL and tarmel,sarciel was able to not only trade blows but hold him in place so is really their vessel holding them back

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Yeah. But Tarmiel stated that Estarossa with two Commandments was nearly on par with them while they had their vessels.

 

[Peter1129]

The vessels have the same power level as their true form. The only difference is that they can't use their power for too long since the vessels have a limit to how much power they could use before they start to weaken. Also two High 6-Cs each restraining an arm of a at least High 6-C character with their full power isn't even that crazy.

 

[Gelan06]

Im the only one who is not soo sure about the OD being far stronger than the one?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Still 100% disagree with Low 6-B for anyone besides The Gods and Original Demon

 

[Peter1129]

By the way when is the thread about the calcs going to be made? Cause if nobody makes it I'll probably make it.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Would you mind making it? I don't think we'll need too much discussion to be honest

 

[Peter1129]

Alright so the topics of the thread will be to discuss

Which end of Chandler's meteors was accepted.

Why Pulverization should be used for the Danafor calc.

Should Griamore's Wall constantly being stated to be able to tank meteors be used.

Is Gilthunder's storm Low 7-B+ or 7-B.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Alright so the topics of the thread will be to discuss
Which end of Chandler's meteors was accepted.

Why Pulverization should be used for the Danafor calc.

Should Griamore's Wall constantly being stated to be able to tank meteors be used.

Is Gilthunder's storm Low 7-B+ or 7-B.

Alright this looks good to me. Make the thread, and I'll give my thoughts on all of those.

 

[PaChi2]

Alright so the topics of the thread will be to discuss

Which end of Chandler's meteors was accepted.

Why Pulverization should be used for the Danafor calc.

Should Griamore's Wall constantly being stated to be able to tank meteors be used.

Is Gilthunder's storm Low 7-B+ or 7-B.

Adult Griamore > Kid Griamore.

Kid Griammore can trap a 30k demon self destruction in his wall. Said destruction is stated to destroy Liones.

Tier 6 Griamore confirmed.

 

[Peter1129]

Alright just let me gather the stuff ByAsura posted in this thread.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Griamore could have tanked Gremmy's metoer, High 6-A Griamore conformed.

 

[PaChi2]

Griamore could have tanked Gremmy's metoer, High 6-A Griamore conformed.

Griamore could have tanked the meteor that nearly killed arceus.

2-B Griamore.