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Nacht Faust vs Kizaru (9-4-0

Kizaru is intangible + can separate himself into small particles, he's not getting touched or dragged at all
Just like the twin devils, but he could still freeze them and drown them in his shadow.

Nacht also has Mana Zone to attack from anywhere along with Walgner's stun effect. There's no reason why he wouldn't be able to even catch him
 
Nacht also has Mana Zone to attack from anywhere along with Walgner's stun effect. There's no reason why he wouldn't be able to even catch him
Kizaru can continue on accelerating while traveling and send out damaku of clones that each will try and attack you with kizaru not having to pay attention to them

This will keep Nacht very busy (Each able to one shot via his heat sword, the heat exceeds that of lightning and can also be imbued with haki which has resistance negation) and not know which is the real kizaru + combined with obs Haki... He's simply not catching him
 
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Kizaru can continue on accelerating while traveling and send out damaku of clones that each will try and attack you with kizaru not having to pay attention to them
Nacht can do the same thing

(Each able to one shot via his heat sword, the heat exceeds that of lightning and can also be imbued with haki which has resistance negation)
Lightning heat resistance is nothing.

base Luck already has Lightning heat resistance, yet, had to learn Mana Skin to no be reduced to ashes from the temperature of the Magic Region.

Nacht not only has a better Mana Skin than Luck, he also has Mana Zone which is even greater than Mana Skin.

Nacht is definitely surviving the heat of that.
and not know which is the real kizaru + combined with obs Haki... He's simply not catching him
And Kizaru not knowing which is the real nacht either, not being able to sense Nacht because you need Mana to sense Mana (Not even Ki can sense that) and being stunned by Walgner... he for sure is catching him
 
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Kizaru can continue on accelerating while traveling and send out damaku of clones that each will try and attack you with kizaru not having to pay attention to them

This will keep Nacht very busy (Each able to one shot via his heat sword, the heat exceeds that of lightning and can also be imbued with haki which has resistance negation) and not know which is the real kizaru + combined with obs Haki... He's simply not catching him
Nacht can do the same thing


Lightning heat resistance is nothing.

base Luck already has Lightning heat resistance, yet, had to learn Mana Skin to no be reduced to ashed from the temperature of the Magic Region.

Nacht not only has a better Mana Skin than Luck, he also has Mana Zone which is even greater than Mana Skin.

Nacht is definitely surviving the heat of that.

And Kizaru not knowing which is the real nacht either, not being able to sense Nacht because you need Mana to sense Mana (Not even Ki can sense that) and being stunned by Walgner... he for sure is catching him
How do you guys think Nacht's sensory negation would work against Observation Haki? Would it negate it like it did Asta's Ki or are they not comparable enough to say?
 
Lightning heat resistance is nothing.

base Luck already has Lightning heat resistance, yet, had to learn Mana Skin to no be reduced to ashed from the temperature of the Magic Region.

Nacht not only has a better Mana Skin than Luck, he also has Mana Zone which is even greater than Mana Skin.

Nacht is definitely surviving the heat of that.
uhh, that's still the same heat Haki's resistant negation negates... Lightning heat < Pre timeskip Luffy < diable jambe heat < ifrit jambe heat which even a lower buso Haki from sanji is able to deal with and kizaru has even stronger haki than him... He's not surviving the heat.
And Kizaru not knowing which is the real nacht either, not being able to sense Nacht because you need Mana to sense Mana (Not even Ki can sense that) and being stunned by Walgner... he for sure is catching him
Kizaru can just sense his emotion or soul...?

Kizaru can also make far more clones in an instant and spam them with danmaku lasers as well
 
uhh, that's still the same heat Haki's resistant negation negates... Lightning heat < Pre timeskip Luffy < diable jambe heat < ifrit jambe heat which even a lower buso Haki from sanji is able to deal with and kizaru has even stronger haki than him... He's not surviving the heat.

Kizaru can just sense his emotion or soul...?
Asta can do the same, and it didn't work

Mages can even sense Mana, which is > the soul, yet, none of the Captains (the most skilled Mages in the kingdom) even noticed him nor his devils coming.
Kizaru can also make far more clones in an instant and spam them with danmaku lasers as well
Nacht wasn't being serious against Asta, and it low-key doesn't even matter given Nacht's significant AP and Dura advantage, along the fact that none of the Kiza clones would sense even one of Nacht's.

He could just shield himself with shadows, or simply speak to stun them in place and call it a day.
 
I dont get it, you've just said the same thing twice. there's no difference
If I read a book and know what your emotions are, it isn't comparable to seeing the book itself being the emotion. As in haki enables you to see emotion aura around people

  • Information Analysis: (With Ki, Asta can read his opponents' true intentions and state of mind.[4] Ki users are also able to detect lies)
Vs
  • Emotion Vision (Regularly sense the emotions and feelings of others[10])
 
If I read a book and know what your emotions are, it isn't comparable to seeing the book itself being the emotion. As in haki enables you to see emotion aura around people

  • Information Analysis: (With Ki, Asta can read his opponents' true intentions and state of mind.[4] Ki users are also able to detect lies)
Vs
  • Emotion Vision (Regularly sense the emotions and feelings of others[10])
So how does that help Kizaru tell apart the from the real Nacht? Because according to Asta, they were all the same when they were fighting which is the entire reason why Asta's ki couldn't determine in the first place. Kizaru may be able to see emotions and Asta can sense them with ki but thats only well and good if Nacht hasn't masked his shadows to feel the same way.

Put it this way, you're reading 4 books copied from one another to the letter, even the borders, font, etc are the same. How do you tell apart the "original"?
 
So how does that help Kizaru tell apart the from the real Nacht? Because according to Asta, they were all the same when they were fighting which is the entire reason why Asta's ki couldn't determine in the first place. Kizaru may be able to see emotions and Asta can sense them with ki but thats only well and good if Nacht hasn't masked his shadows to feel the same way.
you would have to prove he can even do that...
 
Bet. Chapter 271 Asta states that each clone has the exact same ki as nacht in the unnofficial. Also states that he blends in with them so he can't tell them apart.
That literally doesn't mean the clones have the same emotions... He does not have any type of Empathic Manipulation on his profile
  • Canis Mode: All previous abilities, Duplication (Created a myriad of clones via Gimodelo's Pack), Natural Weaponry & further enhanced Stealth Mastery (Each of his clones possesses the same Ki as him, making it impossible to distinguish them. His Mana Zone makes it impossible to detect him)
Same ki does not mean same emotions or even have emotions to begin with
 
That literally doesn't mean the clones have the same emotions... He does not have any type of Empathic Manipulation on his profile

Same ki does not mean same emotions or even have emotions to begin with
see what you did there?

on the ki page, emotions are part of ki as well as breathing, movement, muscles, etc. If they all have the same ki then they all have the same emotions and etc because thats what makes it impossible for Asta to distinguish clones from him in the first place. It doesn't make sense to turn around and say they dont have any emotions at all or or the same emotions because how else is Asta not able to distinguish them from one another?
 
see what you did there?

on the ki page, emotions are part of ki as well as breathing, movement, muscles, etc. If they all have the same ki then they all have the same emotions and etc because thats what makes it impossible for Asta to distinguish clones from him in the first place. It doesn't make sense to turn around and say they dont have any emotions at all or or the same emotions because how else is Asta not able to distinguish them from one another?
otherwise Nacht himself wouldnt have emotions, which we've established that he has
 
see what you did there?

on the ki page, emotions are part of ki as well as breathing, movement, muscles, etc. If they all have the same ki then they all have the same emotions and etc because thats what makes it impossible for Asta to distinguish clones from him in the first place. It doesn't make sense to turn around and say they dont have any emotions at all or or the same emotions because how else is Asta not able to distinguish them from one another?
Emotions affects one's ki... This would mean the ki that one has, is not one's emotion but you can sense ki to find/read their emotion
 
"Emotions affect one's ki"

Yes, meaning that if two people have the exact same ki, that means they have the same emotions, because any differences would affect their ki
 
"Emotions affect one's ki"

Yes, meaning that if two people have the exact same ki, that means they have the same emotions, because any differences would affect their ki
no... Not if the other thing doesn't have emotions which you would need proof of
 
What? You kinda gave us the proof yourself. Emotions affect ki, so two people need to have the exact same emotions to have the same ki
 
They all have the exact same Ki as Nacht, and Ki is influenced by emotions. The logic simply adds together
 
Yes, emotions influence ki. Therefore, having the same ki would require having the same emotions - because any difference in emotions would result in a difference in ki. This is going in circles
 
I'm voting Kizaru.

Nacht has no way to interact with Kizaru due to his elemental intangibility. Kizaru will simply fly into the air and hail a never-ending rain of laser beams while also spawning clones.
 
So if I remember correctly nacht’s only wincon is by trying to paralyze (which shouldn’t work on light clones or even Kizaru himself because of haki) and then try to get the right Kizaru in the darkness sealing (which is very unlikely with how many light clones he can spawn + is able to travel away and accelerate faster and faster beyond FTL+ speeds while also able to become small particles, all of which is even more unlikely with observation haki, knowing everything beforehand)

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Many light clones all of which are homing that are created instantly and laser danmaku spam which all have heat that can one shot by combining it with his haki (even if nacht somehow can’t be sensed, the amount of clones and lasers will overwhelm him and his shadows)

The wincons of nacht are barely viable while Kizaru has many wincons

Even kizaru’s light clones were able to create more light by creating light swords so I wouldn’t even be surprised even they could danmaku lasers aswell

Definitely voting on Kizaru with his many more viable wincons
 
What exactly does the monument do to those trapped? And why is this monument being talked about, iirc the monument was casted as the last possible way to stop the twins, he doesn't instantly go to it and it seems to drain him of mana.

A realistic fight is gonna be them fighting with clones I'd say and Kizaru's got the edge there with ele intan clones, higher quantity and also ob haki.
 
How would Nacht even deal with his stealth mastery that allowed him to get by Luffy's Kenbun momentarily?

Also, Kizaru isn't stupid. The moment he realizes that some of Nacht's abilities are based on manipulating Kizaru's own shadow, he'd just obliterate his shadow by turning into light.
 
Isn't gonna be very useful when Nacht's got like 10 clones out while Kizaru's casually got 50 out in the field and can do thousands if needed and make one's spawn randomly from any of the hundreds of attacks he's got launched.
 
Then what's gonna happen when there's a bunch of clones running around and Kizaru turns into light?

That's a lotta people to cast shadows over
 
Then what's gonna happen when there's a bunch of clones running around and Kizaru turns into light?
All the clones are made of light Clover. If Kizaru chose to turn into light to avoid having his shadow manipulated and to avoid being sensed, he'd turn all of his clones into light as well.
 
No, what I'm saying is that Kizaru can avoid having his own shadow being manipulated by turning into light
And that light will cast a shadow on Nacht's own clones, so Nacht will always have a way to take advantage of disappearing into shadows and the like
 
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