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Precog is useless if a character can't move fast enough. The character may know what happens with his precog but if he's not fast enough then it's useless.
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N.Y.S.S.S.T Round one (Zabuza vs Miyamoto.)
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Until Musashi goes FPZaratthustra said:
Why not? Hes literally just putting forth more effort
Good think Zabuza starts with Hidden Mist, Water Clones, and CQC, which would be within range
And then send in a Water Clone as a decoy and attack Musashi from behind, triggering Musashi's Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses, allowing Musashi to precog him and do what he does
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then it should not be a different key it shoul dbe the same key, his speed amp needs to be added.BakiHanma18 said:
but it wont? like we explained?
precog him and the hit nothing as zabuza body replacements out of the way and then water dragons him? yes.
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It's not a speed amp, what are you talking about? He's literally just going from holding back (Baki's speed) to going FP (Yujiro speed). Baki and Yujiro are the same speed tier, but Yujiro is faster. Musashi and the whole of Baki are literally going through a speed CRT rnAnonymousBlank said:
Not huge as of right now, but after the CRT, it could make this a speed blitz
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Again, fallacious. Musashi isn't transforming or accessing a power or ability he doesn't have, he's literally just exerting more effortRocker1189 said:
Because it's the same tier, but Yujiro is faster. Do you want scans or something?
I can 100% get scans of it blitzing him, and then he uses precog to stop it the second time it's thrown.
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It's not a speed amp dude...Rocker1189 said:
You haven't "explained" anything
Except he precogs the amp and slices him before he can even use it GG
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Speed is equalised, what do you not understand? Both have the same speed, no more, no less. Musashi doesn;t have a speed amp while Zabuza has via Shunshin.
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..... If its not a speed amp but him holding back, then it's his max speed which get equalised. This exact thing was brought up on a MHA crt where Kappa argued that since AM holds back 75% of his speed or smth, he should get a x4 speed amp from not holding back. Literally every staff and almost every user that entered the thread shut that down so fast.
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Then he should either start in that key or that sholld not be a different key, its not fallascious it is how the wiki works.BakiHanma18 said:
then if it is not a different key or power up he shoul dhave speed amp on his profile and if it is it shoul dsay he gets faster in FP.
ok except that does not provr he would catch up to zabuza, they both have equal speeds and he has precog but zabuza can blitz his normal speed self with shunshin so I dont see your point.
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Base Musashi and alive Zabuza are equalized, Musashi enter FP key and speed is now quite unequalized. Musashi is now faster AND can precog ShunshinZaratthustra said:
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Can you have your CRT dont before putting them into matches? It is half the reason we are having this problem.BakiHanma18 said:
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It would be his max speed in his Base key, the key he starts with. Musashi stops holding back and would be faster.AnonymousBlank said:
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Id his FP is his base but him not holding back it would equalise to his FP.BakiHanma18 said:
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You can't switch key, what do you not understand. You can't, it's not allowed on wiki.
Musashi either has the first key in this fight or the second which will not matter since both will be equalised.
Speed blitz can only happen if a character has a Speed Amp through a technique or a transformation. Going serious is not.
Musashi either has the first key in this fight or the second which will not matter since both will be equalised.
Speed blitz can only happen if a character has a Speed Amp through a technique or a transformation. Going serious is not.
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OP says he starts in Base, he can just stop holding back. Proof that that's "how the wiki works?"Rocker1189 said:
Baki is undergoing a speed revision, but the current page clearly says his keys are Base and Full Power. I can provide scans of FP being faster if you want
No, Musashi would already be faster, and I literally just said I can provide scans of Musashi stopping a move that blitzed him via precog, so that means nothing
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**** all this "switching keys mid match" shit, I am questioning why he even has 2 keys. Its just a buff in physicals that doesn't even change his tier for anything, just make em the same key. I have seen people get new hax or tier changing transformations and not have a new key (they should have but that is beside the point). Who on earth gave this the okay and not a simple "higher when not holding back"?
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Then he cant switch keys mid match, every match ever?BakiHanma18 said:
You can not switch keys mid match.
No no he wont because Zabuza has the faster speed. this he gets the higher movespeed as the MHS+ character compared to a hypersonic one.
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Can you link me that rule or paste it here? If so, this fight may be taken down shortly after being added due to Baki revsionsZaratthustra said:
If "going serious" brings you from Baki speed to Yujiro speed, I'd beg to differ
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During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules
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I can link the Baki CRT page here if you have any questions or complaints. We have a CRT for powers and abilities and and one for speedAnonymousBlank said:
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Still waiting to be SHOWN switches are against the rulesRocker1189 said:
Except he'll never even get to amp because of precog, like I've said a million times
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We've come here for a match, not for a CRT.
Rocker linked the Rules.
Speed equalized mean you will have equal speed for both characters.
Musashi has two key for a reason - one to be use when he's not serios (like you said) and another for when he is serious. It can be only one in this match.
Rocker linked the Rules.
Speed equalized mean you will have equal speed for both characters.
Musashi has two key for a reason - one to be use when he's not serios (like you said) and another for when he is serious. It can be only one in this match.
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Get to amp? its not a things he has to do he just moves faster. It doesnt matter about his precog, He would simply hit either water or nothing.BakiHanma18 said:
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Look on the OP post - First Key Musashi.
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Doesn't matter, the CRT is up right now. If he, for some reason DOES get a speed amp from his Baki to Yujiro speed, regardless of the winner, the fight will be taken downZaratthustra said:
Link to the Speed Blitz rule, not switching keys
Obviously
What would prevent him from getting serious after his Extrasensory Perception?
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Because he is meant to be first key not second key, if you want him serious have him start in second key.BakiHanma18 said:
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Mannn this is a long thread
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Link to the CRT please.
Also can we stop this pointless back and forth. Yes, it is relevant to this fight but this seems like a more broad subject than just Musashi. Someone just make a QnA thread for it and link this one there for more context.
Also can we stop this pointless back and forth. Yes, it is relevant to this fight but this seems like a more broad subject than just Musashi. Someone just make a QnA thread for it and link this one there for more context.
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Okay, but logically speaking, what actually stops him from just getting serious?Rocker1189 said:
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P&A or Speed?AnonymousBlank said:
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Serious or not he's still first key because that's the key specified by the OP.
Musashi curently has same speed on both key.
Musashi curently has same speed on both key.
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I can link you scans proving otherwise if youd likeZaratthustra said:
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Whichever one somehow allowed him to have 2 keys for having the exact same shizz aside from a + sign.
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Understood, this is probably the one you want to go to (might take awhile for a response, I asked some stuff earlier on a Baki GDT and no response) https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3473289AnonymousBlank said:
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Doesn't matter if he has higher speed for the second key since the Key used is the First one. The only way to bypass speed equal is through stat/speed amp which Musashi doesn't have in his first key.
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Whats stopping his key switch? I only got the speed blitz ruleZaratthustra said:
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The fact that it is a different key. The purposes of keys are to have them separate and unless they are straight up transformations keys are not meant to be switched to. If there is no actual increase in power then it should stay as one key.
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Can you post the exact wording from the rules?Rocker1189 said:
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Where have you seen jumping from a key to another ? (Excluding Vivec which it's something only for him).
Usually to jump from a key to another it's need a Transformation of that calliber.
Musashi doesn't have a Transformation, doesn't have stat amp, doesn't have higher speed on the second key. He has nothing.
Usually to jump from a key to another it's need a Transformation of that calliber.
Musashi doesn't have a Transformation, doesn't have stat amp, doesn't have higher speed on the second key. He has nothing.
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High Hypersonic:
- Musashi (Scales to his calc)
- Base Yujiro (Faster than Musashi)
- Base Yuichiro (Comparable to Yujiro)
- Kaku Kaioh (Comparable to Yujiro)
High Hypersonic+:
- Katsumi with Mach Fist (This speed can only be reached when using the Perfected Mach Fist)
- Kaku Kaioh with Mach Fist (Same as Katsumi)
At Least High Hypersonic+ likely higher:
- DB Yujiro (Should be far faster than anything in the verse including the Mach Fist)
- DB Yuichiro (Comparable to Yujiro)
- DB Baki Dou Baki (Matched a serious DB Yujiro for an extended period of time)
- FP Musashi (Faster than Baki)
Part of the CRT going on right now for reference
- Musashi (Scales to his calc)
- Base Yujiro (Faster than Musashi)
- Base Yuichiro (Comparable to Yujiro)
- Kaku Kaioh (Comparable to Yujiro)
High Hypersonic+:
- Katsumi with Mach Fist (This speed can only be reached when using the Perfected Mach Fist)
- Kaku Kaioh with Mach Fist (Same as Katsumi)
At Least High Hypersonic+ likely higher:
- DB Yujiro (Should be far faster than anything in the verse including the Mach Fist)
- DB Yuichiro (Comparable to Yujiro)
- DB Baki Dou Baki (Matched a serious DB Yujiro for an extended period of time)
- FP Musashi (Faster than Baki)
Part of the CRT going on right now for reference
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