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I don't think in fear of a feat potentially getting upgraded further is a reason to agree with it "while it's low"
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My Hero Academia: Final War Arc Revisions
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Maybe not, but I also have no obligation to continue arguing about it.
So I currently have no objections.
Let's move on. What's next? @TheRustyOne
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No no let him cook
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I don't suppose that, instead of scaling Shigaraki and Nomu to the full explosion, or even one missile, we just backscale their durability to baseline of whatever tier that calc was?
Like either Baseline Low 6-B or Baseline High 6-C (the latter would be a support), depending on whether we scale them to 10 missiles or one.
Like either Baseline Low 6-B or Baseline High 6-C (the latter would be a support), depending on whether we scale them to 10 missiles or one.
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Shigaraki had to dig a hole to get away from the explosion and he still almost died. Definitely not
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We discussed this in general but the common belief is that the main threat of the explosion was the overwhelming heat rather than the actual energy of the attack
This would explain why Shigaraki’s skin was almost entirely melted off, but his skeleton was fully intact and he didn’t have any broken bones or anything
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Still don’t think that’d qualify for even a downscale
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True but the Nomu got slammed point blank with the attack and its body was intact, and was still able to respond to commands from Shigaraki
Obviously there’s no way the Nomu could have taken the entire 4.33 TT attack but it does raise some questions imo
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I will point out that we never actually see the Nomu get struck with the missiles directly. It's just the most common assumption that the explosion occured point-blank.
I think Clover is right that this doesn't qualify for a downscale.
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Via Occam’s razor, it’s the most logical answer however
The impact crater of the explosion is centered DIRECTLY on Shigaraki’s hole (its in the complete middle of the crater), the same spot where he launched the Nomu directly vertically out of
Unless Star and Stripe somehow hit the air or a bird or something with her missile punch, or she somehow went under the Nomu, it’s the only logical answer
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Or, we could start putting AP equalized matches on there too.
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This. The lifting strength calc needs to be redone.
True Volume= 50% of V which should be V*(0.5^3) not V*0.5
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What are the both of you talking about?
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Lifting strength. The volume obtained in the calc isn't right.
The calc just halves the volume (V*0.5) of the fortress to account for the 50% hollowness however, 50% hollowness is actually V*(0.5^3).
Long story short, it would give class G not T
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50% Hollowness means we remove 50% of the volume to account for empty space, same as what we do with buildings, though we have buildings at 80% to 90% hollowness. What does the Square Cube Law have to do with anything? I think you're a bit confused on something, so I'll try to explain to the best of my ability.
If you take a steel cube with a volume of 10 m^3 with a density of 8050 kg per m^3. You'd get a cube that weighs 80500 kg.
A cube that has a volume of 5 m^3 and density of 8050 kg per m^3 will weigh 40250 kg. This is exactly half of the weight of the 10 m^3 cube.
Removing 50% volume just means removing 50% of the volume and nothing else.
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Where are you getting a random ^3 for the 50%? The volume is already in a cubed format (m^3), mathematically there’s no point for the .5 to also be cubed unless I’m missing something.
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That's just how I've been doing these kind of calcs, I'm not sure how best to explain it and I don't wish to clutter this thread with something that might end up being wrong on my part/ simply irrelevant so nvm and carry on all I can say is I've got a calc to revise
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How did the nome end up dozens of KM above and away from the explosion if he was directly slammed down under her fist.
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Stop talking about the Star and Stripe missile, this is derailing as no one is scaling to it.
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Is it really? Maz was trying to apply the scaling and argue in favor of it. That’s the point of the thread right? To find the most reasonable scaling?
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Not at all. Only discuss what's being mentioned in the OP. I state in the OP that no one is scaling to the results of the missiles.
The missiles or the Nomu position or whatever is irrelevant. It may become relevant if the anime shows more details and gives a timeframe for the cloud splits.
But that's a different thread and has no business of being discussed here. I'll say again, please let's stay on topic and not bog this thread down.
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Now I'm going to move onto the scaling, there is a lot to go over so please look as much of this over as you can before making any decisions.
Do not hesitate to tell me your opinions, if you think something is wrong or maybe there could be more or maybe that I'm missing something.
If you noticed I did try, for some characters, to add references and pictures/scans to their abilities as well.
But that was becoming a bit impossible since I was trying to do it for every profile, so I'm holding off on that and will do it on my own time later.
Now for the scaling. I'm not going to go over everything that's already been accepted and is being used. I will just generalize the changes and show sandboxes.
The accepted calculations are:
Deku's 100% Attack Potency (Joint Training Arc) - 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) (Supporting feat)
Near High-End Nomu's Durability - 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Intercontinental Cruise Punch's Attack Potency - 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+) (Supporting feat for Tier 6 in general, no one scales to this)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc) - Mach 17155 (Sub-Relativistic) (Supporting feat)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc) - 0.13c - (Relativistic)
TLDR: all of the High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic characters will become Relativistic.
This is excluding Number 6 and Koichi, who don't scale to any of this. In fact Koichi's scaling to Endeavor was agreed to be removed awhile ago, as Endeavor wasn't attacking Koichi seriously as he never used his Flashfire Fist. So Koichi's second key speed rating will just scale to Overclock's normal speed.
The AP upgrades will turn all of the 7-A+ to High 7-A characters to High 6-C. The At most 7-A+ characters will downscale to At most High 6-C, baseline 100 GT.
Verse Page: Showing the numbers they all scale to.
Sandbox 1: The majority of characters who'll be scaling to High 6-C and Relativistic, both new and old.
Shoto's All-Out War key becomes his Final War Arc key, as there's no reason to have both of them.
Same is true for basically anyone else who has an All-Out War key or Final Act Saga key. Tsukuyomi is an exception, as he has a different rating from his Final War Arc self.
Sandbox 2: Burnin's profile concept, Gentle's profile update, along with the changes for Koichi's speed.
To explain Burnin's scaling. Onima and Burnin are holding back two different Hell Spider "webs", they aren't connected. So they're both holding back a single attack. Burnin' is holding the attack back and Kido is taking care of whatever gets passed her. She was also shown to be injured from fighting Near High-Ends for over half an hour.
Sandbox 3: 8-B characters who won't be High 6-C, but are being upgraded in some way or form. Either in speed or just higher into 8-B.
Twice's new look for his profile is being suggested as well. Having a varies rating for his Double Quirk as he can make clones of other people with different strength.
All Might: All Might profile updated, making it a different sandbox because tabbers really don't like | that symbol being used.
All For One: All For One's new profile, I've switched his keys around to match with All Might's.
Tomura Shigaraki: Shigaraki's new profile, and I have a suggestion regarding this. I propose Shiggy gets a separate profile for his AFO or Post-Surgery self.
Please take note of Shigaraki's new abilities as well. How does what I have look? Don't hesitate to give any suggestions if you agree.
Katsuki Bakugo (Final Act) and Katsuki Bakugo (Pre-Final Act): Yeah, that's right. I'm suggesting we split Bakugo's profile in the same way we do with Izuku's.
How does what I have look? Feel free to give any suggestions on improving this if you agree.
Izuku Midoriya (Final Act): Since we don't know what percentage he is using, we're rating his new usage of his Quirk as just One For All until we're told otherwise. If we get confirmation this is 100% Full Cowl we'll just label it as that, and if it isn't we'll label it by whatever percentage it is.
Take note of Izuku's new abilities with Gearshift as well.
5 Times Fa Jin : This was suggested to me recently and I had similar thoughts. It's believed that Izuku's max Fa Jin energy storage should be 5X his own AP. As Izuku was capable of storing the energy from his Detroit Smash Quintuple, which was 5 rapid Detroit Smashes. With Gearshift it's an unknown amount higher, but Fa Jin should have a "max" limit of 5X his own AP. This suggestion would raise 45% Izuku's Fa Jin to 500 Gigatons.
Note: Faux 100% is not 500 GT in this case, just that 500 GT would be the max amount of energy he can store and unleash. As we aren't told Faux 100% was his max limit. Especially when he charged that energy just by flexing his legs or with repeated squats.
If this someone leads to stacking "multipliers", I'm going to give a disagree faster than Gearshift.
Current Izuku's Fa Jin would be 696.75 GT and Large Island level+. This currently wouldn't scale to anyone, as this attack blew a hole into Shigaraki's body. Shigaraki might scale with his Quirks in the future, but I highly doubt anyone else except for that would scale to this.
Agree or Disagree with this?
The accepted calculations are:
Deku's 100% Attack Potency (Joint Training Arc) - 114.37 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level) (Supporting feat)
Near High-End Nomu's Durability - 139.35 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level)
Intercontinental Cruise Punch's Attack Potency - 4.33 Teratons of TNT (Small Country level+) (Supporting feat for Tier 6 in general, no one scales to this)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Final War Arc) - Mach 17155 (Sub-Relativistic) (Supporting feat)
Lady Nagant's Bullet Speed (Dark Hero Arc) - 0.13c - (Relativistic)
TLDR: all of the High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic characters will become Relativistic.
This is excluding Number 6 and Koichi, who don't scale to any of this. In fact Koichi's scaling to Endeavor was agreed to be removed awhile ago, as Endeavor wasn't attacking Koichi seriously as he never used his Flashfire Fist. So Koichi's second key speed rating will just scale to Overclock's normal speed.
The AP upgrades will turn all of the 7-A+ to High 7-A characters to High 6-C. The At most 7-A+ characters will downscale to At most High 6-C, baseline 100 GT.
Verse Page: Showing the numbers they all scale to.
Sandbox 1: The majority of characters who'll be scaling to High 6-C and Relativistic, both new and old.
Shoto's All-Out War key becomes his Final War Arc key, as there's no reason to have both of them.
Same is true for basically anyone else who has an All-Out War key or Final Act Saga key. Tsukuyomi is an exception, as he has a different rating from his Final War Arc self.
Sandbox 2: Burnin's profile concept, Gentle's profile update, along with the changes for Koichi's speed.
To explain Burnin's scaling. Onima and Burnin are holding back two different Hell Spider "webs", they aren't connected. So they're both holding back a single attack. Burnin' is holding the attack back and Kido is taking care of whatever gets passed her. She was also shown to be injured from fighting Near High-Ends for over half an hour.
Sandbox 3: 8-B characters who won't be High 6-C, but are being upgraded in some way or form. Either in speed or just higher into 8-B.
Twice's new look for his profile is being suggested as well. Having a varies rating for his Double Quirk as he can make clones of other people with different strength.
All Might: All Might profile updated, making it a different sandbox because tabbers really don't like | that symbol being used.
All For One: All For One's new profile, I've switched his keys around to match with All Might's.
Tomura Shigaraki: Shigaraki's new profile, and I have a suggestion regarding this. I propose Shiggy gets a separate profile for his AFO or Post-Surgery self.
Please take note of Shigaraki's new abilities as well. How does what I have look? Don't hesitate to give any suggestions if you agree.
Katsuki Bakugo (Final Act) and Katsuki Bakugo (Pre-Final Act): Yeah, that's right. I'm suggesting we split Bakugo's profile in the same way we do with Izuku's.
How does what I have look? Feel free to give any suggestions on improving this if you agree.
Izuku Midoriya (Final Act): Since we don't know what percentage he is using, we're rating his new usage of his Quirk as just One For All until we're told otherwise. If we get confirmation this is 100% Full Cowl we'll just label it as that, and if it isn't we'll label it by whatever percentage it is.
Take note of Izuku's new abilities with Gearshift as well.
5 Times Fa Jin : This was suggested to me recently and I had similar thoughts. It's believed that Izuku's max Fa Jin energy storage should be 5X his own AP. As Izuku was capable of storing the energy from his Detroit Smash Quintuple, which was 5 rapid Detroit Smashes. With Gearshift it's an unknown amount higher, but Fa Jin should have a "max" limit of 5X his own AP. This suggestion would raise 45% Izuku's Fa Jin to 500 Gigatons.
Note: Faux 100% is not 500 GT in this case, just that 500 GT would be the max amount of energy he can store and unleash. As we aren't told Faux 100% was his max limit. Especially when he charged that energy just by flexing his legs or with repeated squats.
If this someone leads to stacking "multipliers", I'm going to give a disagree faster than Gearshift.
Current Izuku's Fa Jin would be 696.75 GT and Large Island level+. This currently wouldn't scale to anyone, as this attack blew a hole into Shigaraki's body. Shigaraki might scale with his Quirks in the future, but I highly doubt anyone else except for that would scale to this.
Agree or Disagree with this?
Do not hesitate to tell me your opinions, if you think something is wrong or maybe there could be more or maybe that I'm missing something.
If you noticed I did try, for some characters, to add references and pictures/scans to their abilities as well.
But that was becoming a bit impossible since I was trying to do it for every profile, so I'm holding off on that and will do it on my own time later.
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I'm going to check back on this thread, I'm really tired right now.
Discuss amongst yourselves for now, unless I messed up horribly.
Discuss amongst yourselves for now, unless I messed up horribly.
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LOVE IT.
Minor thing, but for those who downscale, since they're already backscaling to a baseline, is the "At most" really necessary?
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This all generally seems fine imo
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This looks great. I agree with everything, including the Quintuple Fa Jin scaling.
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Looked everything over, pretty fantastic work. There are only a few tiny things that need adjustment (and they’re all on Deku, wow)
2nd user quirk is no longer unknown so that part doesn’t need to exist anymore
Assuming it’s deemed ok, Current Deku needs “Large Island level+” for his Overdrive
The “gears” should be mentioned under his techniques (Low, 2nd, 3rd, Top), as well as mention he can both accelerate and decelerate his targets.
Max Fa Jin multiplier should be fine, as it should logically scale with the action he does. And it won’t affect anyone or his 100% since Faux 100% doesn’t use his max storage, as he can perform it multiple times per instance (blitzed Nagant’s bullet then slingshot back to blitz her).
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Amazing job, I agree with everything.
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The sandboxes look perfect to me (I personally would lowercase the "At most" on Deku's 45% rating but that's such a minor thing)
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