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Thank you. It seems fine to me.

Should I close this thread then?
 
I doubt that will ever be properly concluded. Also, weren't they just very brief power-ups? I much prefer to avoid those in general.
 
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They weren’t brier power ups. It’s been confirmed in black Panther multiple times, shuri solo series and the marvel databook about God that this is Storm permanent power. She is able to suppress her godhead as shown in shuri solo series. It also confirmed by the writer when she attacked Legion/Nate grey she was a god.
 
Freedomstar said:
They weren’t brier power ups. It’s been confirmed in black Panther multiple times, shuri solo series and the marvel databook about God that this is Storm permanent power. She is able to suppress her godhead as shown in shuri solo series. It also confirmed by the writer when she attacked Legion/Nate grey she was a god.
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I would appreciate some evaluations help here. I have grown tired of Marvel Comics in general and do not follow the recent stories nearly as much as I used to anymore.
 
Unless we make it a project where we split all of Storm's issues between several people I doubt we can actually verify her power amp and stats that well
 
Perhaps Freedomstar can provide all of the necessary issue references, so you can verify the information?
 
Storm has too many appearances, this is gonna be long. But if the exact issues are provided, I can help verify the context of it.
 
Thank you. It is very appreciated.

@Freedomstar

Would you be willing to list all of the relevant comic book issues in question please?
 
Also, another 5-A feat for AP is Storm is able to contain Monicas light form and even manipulate her energy form

Stated to be a goddess in BP 2018 issue #3

Stated she was a goddess in uncanny x-men 10 when she attacked Life Seed Nate Grey fused with full-powered Legion and it was also confirmed by the writer it was indeed her goddess powers on twitter

Addressed by her goddess name Hadari Yao in BP 2018 issue #13. As shown in the same issue Storm doesn't really like acknowledged as a god. It was also stated her job as a goddess is to keep balance (Hadari Yao is the goddess who preserves the balance of all things nature) as stated in the panel when she reversed Adversary magical living storm over Wakanda in BP 2017 issue #17

Addressed as her goddess name again at the bottom tells what her name means in BP 2018 #17 also stated in the same issue Storm was a "Divine Intervention" that handled the Askari attack.

Stated in BP 2018 issue #19 while fighting the maroons "She is truly a goddess"

In BP 2018 issue #20 it stated "Hadari Yao has become the key to the rebel resistance" and the scan also goes on to say "Even the gods have limits" and "No soldier, no matter how divine can repeatedly stand the might of the give galaxies" The scan also stated she superior to Manifold, who powers allows him to fold a universe to get to Point A to Point B. He can directly talk to the universe and ask for anything he wants.

BP 2018 #21 Stated to be a goddess once again and asked what is she offering in an attack

BP 2018 #23 Storm stated when she became a goddess she joined and replaced the Orisha (who are the gods of Wakanda)

In Shuri #2 Storm reminds Shuri that she is a new goddess while powering up a tree to send Shuri astral projection light years into deep space

In Shuri #8 Shuri promised protection from her and the "goddess" Storm

Shuri #9 Storm reaches a higher state of mind when her godhead is activated as her goddess title she is supposed to balance things. It stated her godhead can be suppressed and brought out and even made a space lubber who made and can survive black holes being powerless by simple attacks

S.W.O.R.D #6 Storm is now the ruler of the solar system and even acknowledge her goddess position Hadari Yao

King in Black #1 Professor X calls her the goddess of the but Storm cuts him off. We know Storm is the goddess of preserves the balance of all things natural

In Fearless #4 her Hadari Yao was being recognized too. Sue Storm tells Carol not to argue with a literal goddess

The official marvel data books confirmed that Storm is now a new Wakadan goddess
 
@The_Impress

Your input would also be appreciated, but Freedomstar needs to behave herself in that case.
 
Okay. Thank you. It is fine if you take your time.
 
But my thing is why is it a big deal to give her a key for her goddess mode (even though it is confirmed that be above her very own mutation several times after that and just been confirmed once again by Marvel)? No disrespect but I've seen you approve Phoenix avatar keys and someone like Magik, Namor, and etc has never used that power again after that arc. I have seen you approve Gambit keys. You also approved the thread I made for Kitty Pryde with the Black Vortex power. She never used that again. You approved Nate Grey with the Life Seed being universal + a power he doesn't have after that arc.
 
And the reason this still hasn't gone through is because of few things;
  1. You or someone else still haven't made relevent profiles which she scales from
  2. Took too long to post more feats and stuff (obviously nothing wrong with that)
  3. And derailment here and there.

As mentioned at the beginning, someone or you need to make pages for Adversary and others whom you mentioned in the OP before this could go through properly.
 
I do not mind an extra statistics key for Storm, if her power-up has been long-lasting, but we need Some knowledgeable members to investigate your references, and what we should rate her as.
 
I was going to do that yesterday or today, but I took extra shifts. But I do have Monday - Wednesday off so can definitely check some of the scans they have posted.
 
Thank you, but it is best if you read the entire referenced stories via Read Comic Online or somesuch.
 
Confluctor said:
And the reason this still hasn't gone through is because of few things;
  1. You or someone else still haven't made relevent profiles which she scales from
  2. Took too long to post more feats and stuff (obviously nothing wrong with that)
  3. And derailment here and there.

As mentioned at the beginning, someone or you need to make pages for Adversary and others whom you mentioned in the OP before this could go through properly.
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I have no clue how to make a profile.

I gave a staff member on the first page Adversary issues and also posted feats months ago and it was still nothing done about a page.

It was concluded he gets a multiversal rating from Haven using his powers while he was a weak fetus to make a plane of existence which was the borderland separating the multiverse and its opposite Oblivion that she also had the power to warp. He also has feats to back that up such as...He warped the starlight citadel with his chaos. The starlight citadel which is the nexus of the multiverse was stated to be an impossible place with space that encompasses all of existence. He also had the power to bring his chaos to all worlds and time strings if he wasn't stopped.
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you, but it is best if you read the entire referenced stories via Read Comic Online or somesuch.
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Everything I posted is in context in the scans????? This is giving that I'm a liar or sort of in that spectrum. It also shows me you're not looking at the info yourself and going by someone else's thought that could be wrong not saying that it is.

How can I post manipulate context like an example? Also, keep in mind everything is after she defeats Adversary.

1. Marvel Databook about gods confirming Storm is a goddess. Literally, a word from word "Storm joins the fight. So beloved is she by the people that their adoration, hopes, and worships amplify her powers; magnifying her strength until as a new Wakandan goddess on Earth. Storm routs the Adversary.
Literally, the databook confirming she's a god after she one-shotted Adversary.

2. Shuri #9 Shuri and her ancestors talking. Ancestors: Oh, this is interesting. Coming down here was a bad idea. The Fungus has brought forth Storm's Godhead. Shuri: Why isn't the pill I have her working?!!!! Shown directly on panel after her fight with Adversary she still has her godhead and can be brought forth and once again word from word.

3. BP 2018 #23. Shuri: Is it not obvious? The battle is joined by the Orisha themselves. Black Panther: Ororo?? (he's asking for confirmation) Storm: Well there's not exactly a God Network. And technically I replaced the Orisha as much I joined them. Once again this after the Adversary fight. Storm is stated that she replaced them as she joined them. When she became a Wakandan goddess the rest of the Orisha (which are Wakandan gods) were gone and just now reappeared. Basically later confirming the databook again.

4. BP 2018 #20 It stated "The Hadari Yao (Storm god name) has become the key the rebel resistance. I do not deny it. She is fearsome in battle, and her heroism inspires the rebels. I assure you Tetu my child even the gods have limits. Persistence is our friend in this and fatigue is her great enemy. No soldier, No matter how divine, can repeatedly face the might of five galaxies. It's been confirmed again word from word from the scan. Storm god powers were a threat to an entire intergalactic empire. This is way after the Adversary fight too.

This is just a few and tons are tons more all happened after her Adversary fight. We also have Marvel themselves confirming it once more like two weeks again
 
Aye, chill, it's not that deep. He always asks others who knows the context to confirm it. Happens to me and others too, including staff members. Nothing about saying you are lying.

You should look into other comic book threads. It's normal to ask for others to confirm it.
 
Also you might not be able to make a profile, but make a blog on the wiki. It's simple but obviously time consuming. Tell us all the feats from adversary so they can be examined. And someone can use that to make a page. I could do it for you if you put all feats and references and context inside a blog.


I did it for Hyperion and it made the page making easier. So I recommend doing the same.
 
Last message (sorry for the spam), by context, he means checking in story and with the wider continuity. It's normal to do for an indexing wiki. Don't take it personally
 
Confluctor said:
Aye, chill, it's not that deep. He always asks others who knows the context to confirm it. Happens to me and others too, including staff members. Nothing about saying you are lying.

You should look into other comic book threads. It's normal to ask for others to confirm it.
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I wasn't mad I thought he meant I was posting false context. I was trying to show him I don't do that. I do apologize if it came off a way. I'm trying to get this thread done so I can work on a new one.
 
I have work off, so I can check them myself and then we could get done with this.

Tho I still recommend making a big blog for adversary so his page making can be done easily.
 
Thank you for helping out.
 
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Yes. Agreed. I will delete the derailing posts again.
 
Freedomstar said:
Also, another 5-A feat for AP is Storm is able to contain Monicas light form and even manipulate her energy form

Stated to be a goddess in BP 2018 issue #3

Stated she was a goddess in uncanny x-men 10 when she attacked Life Seed Nate Grey fused with full-powered Legion and it was also confirmed by the writer it was indeed her goddess powers on twitter

Addressed by her goddess name Hadari Yao in BP 2018 issue #13. As shown in the same issue Storm doesn't really like acknowledged as a god. It was also stated her job as a goddess is to keep balance (Hadari Yao is the goddess who preserves the balance of all things nature) as stated in the panel when she reversed Adversary magical living storm over Wakanda in BP 2017 issue #17

Addressed as her goddess name again at the bottom tells what her name means in BP 2018 #17 also stated in the same issue Storm was a "Divine Intervention" that handled the Askari attack.

Stated in BP 2018 issue #19 while fighting the maroons "She is truly a goddess"

In BP 2018 issue #20 it stated "Hadari Yao has become the key to the rebel resistance" and the scan also goes on to say "Even the gods have limits" and "No soldier, no matter how divine can repeatedly stand the might of the give galaxies" The scan also stated she superior to Manifold, who powers allows him to fold a universe to get to Point A to Point B. He can directly talk to the universe and ask for anything he wants.

BP 2018 #21 Stated to be a goddess once again and asked what is she offering in an attack

BP 2018 #23 Storm stated when she became a goddess she joined and replaced the Orisha (who are the gods of Wakanda)

In Shuri #2 Storm reminds Shuri that she is a new goddess while powering up a tree to send Shuri astral projection light years into deep space

In Shuri #8 Shuri promised protection from her and the "goddess" Storm

Shuri #9 Storm reaches a higher state of mind when her godhead is activated as her goddess title she is supposed to balance things. It stated her godhead can be suppressed and brought out and even made a space lubber who made and can survive black holes being powerless by simple attacks

S.W.O.R.D #6 Storm is now the ruler of the solar system and even acknowledge her goddess position Hadari Yao

King in Black #1 Professor X calls her the goddess of the but Storm cuts him off. We know Storm is the goddess of preserves the balance of all things natural

In Fearless #4 her Hadari Yao was being recognized too. Sue Storm tells Carol not to argue with a literal goddess

The official marvel data books confirmed that Storm is now a new Wakadan goddess
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Would you be willing to help evaluate the above referenced stories please? We need to decide what tier we should give to Storm's goddess form.
 
I thought we already agreed on giving her a god key that scales to the Tier 2 thing with Adversary. The above is not needed for anything other than further justifying the existence of the key.
 
But before that, we need the blog for Adversary and his feats. Or a page. Because from some stuff I have heard, he can be well above Tier 2. So, giving her a tier 2 when the others might not be, is a bit odd.

Anyway, in order for storm to get an accurate tier, the adversary feats blog (with context and sources) needs to be finished. And same with Roma because they scale off each other.
 
Okay, after reading the issue (Black Panther 2016 #171 - #172), I have a few thoughts:

  • If Adversarywas as strong as his early days, how come Zawavari was able to harm him? And tank an attack from him?
    • call it comic fallacy or whatever, but how come a magician of such low levels can survive an attack from a multiversal entity? Same with Asha and N'Kano. How can they survive that when their feats are often pretty low tier? I can understand Asha and her light reflection, but it doesn't seem to be showcased here. So, can you explain?
  • The Shuri was eh, but at least they explained that he is vulnerable to iron
  • Yes, Storm starts to get empowered as Goddess and beats up Adversary
    • Mind you, she doesn't just send him back through the portal, but from the art, seems like she turned his flesh into crisp.
    • So, her Goddess key is definitely above Adversary after being empowered by Wakandans.

So, in the comic, it is shown empowered Storm > Adversary > Wakandan Gods. Wakandan Gods don't really have feats of their own, so hard to say; they might as well be 8-A for all we know. Anyway, from this comic alone, I am against giving Storm a Tier 2 key. Yes, she most definitely needs to have a Goddess key that needs new feats to be evaluated, but this just isn't enough because of how "weak" Adversary here is compared to his other appearances.

Once again, FreedomStar, please make a blog for Adversary and Roma so all their feats can be evaluated properly.
 
Confluctor makes sense to me. Thank you for helping out.
 
Actually, I explained the first part. On the first page

"I'm about to debunk it all. Here Zawavari attacks Adversary causing him pain and saying he was unimpressed as you can see they thought Adversary was finished. N'Kano says "Black Panther didn't tell us it would be this easy" Being the god of Trickster and God he tricked them and had them in shock with his power not to mention Zawavari literally got overpowered by Adversary's servant so thinking Zawavari could beat Adversary is crazy.
He was never troubled by Shuri at all. Her plan was to slow him down all she was doing was trying to distort him In order for him to get hit by his weakness metal"

You missed out on several important contexts. @Ant you're not looking at the info yourself I'm noticing if someone comments on you'll they make sense to you when everything they said has been debunked above.

The reason why Asha and N'kano withstood an attack once again you're missing context. Adversary said you're pieces on the board to be deployed at my will. This means he had use for them which is why he threw them under the rocks. As he told Storm before her goddess powers not to cry while being under the rocks she'll thank him. Storm was with Asha and N'kano

Also, the Author made sure this was classic Adversary when he got out of his prison dimension. Storm stating this is the Adversary she faced and the author even put the issue below. Letting us know this is the same Adversary. Or we can go by current statements for Adversary when it stated he still had the power to warp the universe and his power of comparable to that of Q from Star Trek which is still 2-A.


Actually, Bast and the rest of the Orisha is at least multi galaxy level. It stated the Orisha created the maker of galaxies in BP 2018 #25. And Adversary had defeated them.

Even then Haven using Adversary at this weakest to be reborn in 616 universe created a plane of existence that separated the multiverse and oblivion.
 
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