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juggernaut is ✨Magic✨ vro

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Maverick_Zero_X said:
The Juggernaut's powers are magical so he should be get Magic (Marvel Comics) (specifically "Basic Magic").
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Everyone should get it
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Also a couple of minor Resistances:
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Great.
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Not sure, isn't this just durability?
 
Wasn't discussed that having Basic Magic shouldn't give you Meta physical abilities and resistances?
 
The resistances seem perfectly fine, but basic magic seems to list quite a lot of powers that are far more advanced than anything Juggernaut has never demonstrated. 🙏
 
Yes, that seems much more reasonable. 🙏
 
For the little I saw of juggernaut he doesn't consciously use/control magic, it's just that the power is magic in nature so I'm not quite sure how being empowered by magic should work with Marvel Magic since pretty much all of the abilities in Basic Marvel Magic assumes that the person consciously choose to use magic which then brings the whole "Telling a story to the universe and making it real".
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
For the little I saw of juggernaut he doesn't consciously use/control magic, it's just that the power is magic in nature so I'm not quite sure how being empowered by magic should work with Marvel Magic since pretty much all of the abilities in Basic Marvel Magic assumes that the person consciously choose to use magic which then brings the whole "Telling a story to the universe and making it real".
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Simple, Juggernaut's story is "I can't be stopped"
 
So then, it’s like if somebody used magic on an object and your saying the object is jugg
 
Being technical the Crimson Gem is the object iirc, with the magic properties that Cyttorak gave it making the user unstoppable. Which I would argue would make the resistances very fitting
 
Well can he punch ghosts. Or show most of the things a traditional magic user could do? If not, I feel that the unconventional nature of his magic powers should mean he can’t do what they can.
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Being technical the Crimson Gem is the object iirc, with the magic properties that Cyttorak gave it making the user unstoppable. Which I would argue would make the resistances very fitting
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What makes this hard is that while Juggs doesn't actually control magic he still has magical powers which means that all properties of magic apply to him just not the powers that require control or his own decision.
 
StekFence said:
Well can he punch ghosts. Or show most of the things a traditional magic user could do? If not, I feel that the unconventional nature of his magic powers should mean he can’t do what they can.
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Kinda hard to prove given his mentality and the fact he doesn't typically fight those types of people. Main things he has from the gem are being able to create his armor from sheer thought, the fact that it makes it so that he doesn't need to eat, sleep, or breathe, is highly resilient and regenerative, has an inertial draining forcefield and is quite literally unstoppable to the point that even being hit by a power that slows kinetic motion down to a complete stop was unable to stop him.

So he definitely has shown some aspects of magic (mostly due to how his unstoppable nature low-key defies physics), but due to his character type it's practically impossible to prove.
 
I mean if he’s the type of character who doesn’t use magic the way others do, then why would we conclude he uses magic the way others do
 
StekFence said:
I mean if he’s the type of character who doesn’t use magic the way others do, then why would we conclude he uses magic the way others do
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I don't agree on him using magic, my only agree is that he has resistance to it due to the nature of his power and how some of his resistances are just outright stated to be mystic in nature. Though he should have a magical aura if Cyttorak is considered a demon since we have it accepted that if you get even a small amount of energy from one that you get an aura
 
Perhaps his magic is limited to standard NPI (like how with a Cyttorak amp he fought Nightmare)? Like Hulk but more limited
 
If Cyttorak powers let him punch incorporeal abstracts then I'm game for that at least (If scans are shown and used). I say for Juggernaut to get any magical ability that isn't a pure resistance he needs a direct showing for it.
 
Antvasima said:
The resistances seem perfectly fine, but basic magic seems to list quite a lot of powers that are far more advanced than anything Juggernaut has never demonstrated. 🙏
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If it doesnt get added/discussed here I might make another CRT for Juggernaut to include the demon magic, aura, and resistance I mentioned here

Detective_Blizzard said:
Oh yeah speaking of resistances not on his page, Juggernaut (2020), Issue #1. Resist to getting his kinetic energy slowed down.


EDIT: Looking at the same issue here's clear proof of Magical Aura
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Detective_Blizzard said:
Also isn't Cyttorak a demon? Demonic stuff has it's own stuff as well
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Antvasima said:
The resistances seem perfectly fine, but basic magic seems to list quite a lot of powers that are far more advanced than anything Juggernaut has never demonstrated. 🙏
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Eseseso said:
@Antvasima



It should be basic magic but not combat applicable except for NPI
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I think we should list that Juggernaut's Aura/Resistances are magical in nature but he doesn't have the same versatility as a spellcaster.

Also sorry I can't be as active recently, old medical issues suddenly started flaring for me recently.
 
Excellence616 said:
Reasons?
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the resistances seem like pretty blatant stuff to me

about the magic stuff: imma be honest, it just doesn't feel right

we've never even seen jugger use half the powers that basic magic users would have

now addmitedly I'm a very casual Marvel fan at best so I could be missing info here
 
Thinking on it, maybe a good in-between is to simply give Juggernauts physicals the natural properties of Magic.

Gives him the magical properties he probably should have without granting him every spell under the sun.
 
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