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I love youI agree FRA
I gotchuThis scales to Naruto right? Pretty sure he fought Yhwach in uhh jump force (don’t ask for scans just trust me)
Anyways, agree
Of ******* course you would pull the "flowery language" bullshit, dude until you haven an actual argument that isn't based around your personal feelings regarding the series and misrepresentations of literally everything we're talking about you shouldn't be posting in this thread.
The Almighty isn't Causality Manipulation the **** are you talking about? its most base fundamental level is Fate Manipulation, like i know you're a goon against Bleach but even people who try to downplay the verse know that Yhwach's Almighty is Fate Manipulation.
This is exactly what is stated by the big man Yhwach himself as evident by the scans and translations in the OP.Yes, how dare I disagree with a revision that argues what "The Almighty" sees isn't just "possibilities", but an infinite amount of physical timelines he can freely manipulate at will - despite the fact that infinite timelines, as physical space-times, aren't established to exist in the series proper, which is what the OP is trying to argue for this upgrade.
Cool? The Almighty is still Fate manip.Meanwhile, causality is cause and effect, how one event leads to another event. You cannot have Fate without Causality. That's why I describe "The Almighty" as Causality Manipulation.
What r u even arguing broMeanwhile, causality is cause and effect, how one event leads to another event. You cannot have Fate without Causality. That's why I describe "The Almighty" as Causality Manipulation.
The fact that these possibilities exist is an inherent indication that timelines do exist within these possible futures, you literally can't have possibilities existing within your cosmology without possessing somesort of a timeline.Yes, how dare I disagree with a revision that argues what "The Almighty" sees isn't just "possibilities", but an infinite amount of physical timelines he can freely manipulate at will - despite the fact that infinite timelines, as physical space-times, aren't established to exist in the series proper, which is what the OP is trying to argue for this upgrade.
Bullshit, you're as about as charitable to Bleach as Damage is.No, I'm just in favor of genuinely accurate information for any series as a whole, which includes Bleach. Being against your specific interpretations doesn't mean I'm against Bleach. It means I'm against information I consider to be inaccurate or false, or driven by clear personal biases.
It still isn't Causality Manipulation dude, just because Causality Manipulation has things in common with Fate Manipulation doesn't mean Causality Manipulation is Fate Manipulation or that Fate Manipulation is Causality Manipulation.Fate is the endpoint of a sequence of events, a predetermined sequence of events, and/or the predetermined actions people collectively make towards a specific outcome, depending on how the story uses the concept.
Meanwhile, causality is cause and effect, how one event leads to another event. You cannot have Fate without Causality. That's why I describe "The Almighty" as Causality Manipulation.
The only way you can say this is if you didn’t read the OP or you’re just dishonest.Yes, how dare I disagree with a revision that argues what "The Almighty" sees isn't just "possibilities", but an infinite amount of physical timelines he can freely manipulate at will - despite the fact that infinite timelines, as physical space-times, aren't established to exist in the series proper, which is what the OP is trying to argue for this upgrade.
That was so smug bro holy shit. It’s so ironic for you to say you’re for “accurate information” but not even attempt to argue against the direct statements backed by the raw kanji of there being infinite futures.No, I'm just in favor of genuinely accurate information for any series as a whole, which includes Bleach. Being against your specific interpretations doesn't mean I'm against Bleach. It means I'm against information I consider to be inaccurate or false, or driven by clear personal biases.
Fate is the endpoint of a sequence of events, a predetermined sequence of events, and/or the predetermined actions people collectively make towards a specific outcome, depending on how the story uses the concept.
Meanwhile, causality is cause and effect, how one event leads to another event. You cannot have Fate without Causality. That's why I describe "The Almighty" as Causality Manipulation.
He’s trying to defend his claim that The Almighty is causality hax.What r u even arguing bro
Nope, can't happen.Next thing on the list is immeasurable speed for Yhwach and Reio when using the Almighty to rewrite the future and move around and attack their foes and all that stuff.
Arc, you know what to do buddy.
Common Deceived Wbut heavily leaning towards agreeing due to Deceived's rebuttals.
Common Deceived W
There's a reason why I'm frightened of you.
Given the multiple comments and votes made by multiple different mods after you posted this comment has your opinion changed on this or are you still overall neutral?, just need to know so your vote is correctly accounted for.Tiny bit. But I'll wait and see what other staff members have to say.
I am fine with the cosmology being 2-A as well as the Precog being that level at the bare minimum (ANBODY ELSE TRYING TO ARGUE OTHERWISE ABOUT INFINITE NOT MEANING INFINITE AND ANYTHING OF SIMILAR NATURE IS JUST RUNNING ON FUMES OF COPIUM-FUELED SEMANTICS BULLSHIT). Hax range going that far is also fine from a glance.Has your opinion changed on this or are you still overall neutral?, just need to know so your vote is correctly accounted for.
Alright, thanks for letting me know.I am fine with the cosmology being 2-A as well as the Precog being that level at the bare minimum (ANBODY ELSE TRYING TO ARGUE OTHERWISE ABOUT INFINITE NOT MEANING INFINITE AND ANYTHING OF SIMILAR NATURE IS JUST RUNNING ON FUMES OF COPIUM-FUELED SEMANTICS BULLSHIT). Hax range going that far is also fine from a glance.
Everything else I am neutral on and would rather wait for more staff input.
what is the issue you see?I dont know about this
I concedeI dont know about this
You really like caps lockI am fine with the cosmology being 2-A as well as the Precog being that level at the bare minimum (ANBODY ELSE TRYING TO ARGUE OTHERWISE ABOUT INFINITE NOT MEANING INFINITE AND ANYTHING OF SIMILAR NATURE IS JUST RUNNING ON FUMES OF COPIUM-FUELED SEMANTICS BULLSHIT). Hax range going that far is also fine from a glance.
Everything else I am neutral on and would rather wait for more staff input.
When you've been through enough threads to see people argue over a word's meanings based on bullshit semantics you're bound to have one or two occasions of using Caps Lock.You really like caps lock
The existence of these futures within themselves prove that timelines exist within those possibilities because the future is quite literally bound by time, you can't have a future if time doesn't exist within it.
This is why beings who are unbounded by time have Type 4 Acausality, which allows them to resist Fate Manipulation because the future is bound by time.
Catalyst is basically arguing that Past, Present and Future isn't bound by time
Yhwach isn't manipulating possibilities. He's manipulating the actual futures he sees before his eyes and manipulates them to his ends. His ability straight doesn't work as described if the futures are simply "Unactualized Possibilities."
The reason they are likened, key word likened as that implies analogy, to possibilities is because in the context of the story, we only experience one timeline at a time. The story is the main timeline, what Yhwach sees are the infinite, as per the narrator statements, other timelines that can become the main timeline we experience in the story depending on what actions transpire. That’s all that means, and by no means does that contradict or debunk my premise in the OP.Yhwach directly says the futures he sees - using "grains of sand" as an analogy - can also be described as "possibilities". The quote where he says it is even in the OP.
And Yhwach further describes the act of "changing the future" as "jumping from one grain of sand to another". Grains of sand he calls "fate" or "possibility". In other words, "fate", "future" and "possibility" are interchangeable for Yhwach when describing what he sees with "The Almighty"
- それは言い換えれば無数の“可能性”とも言える
- "They are countless "possibilities", to put it in other words." ~ Yhwach Chapter 677
Difference here is you haven’t fulfilled the burden of your claim. I, and the other supporters, have provided countless scans that support the conclusion we drew from Giriko’s statement. All you’re doing is positing a conjecture without backing it up whatsoever. Unfortunately, your claim having a far lower preponderance of evidence would just be objectively inferior to mine, Deceived’s, and Arcker’s argumentation.1. Giriko's Fullbring power "Time Tells no Lies" is built around "time". Whether it be "timers" he sets with specific contracts or, in the case of "Cannot Fear Your Own World", offering "time" to facilitate a physical power boost. In the specific context of the quote, taking the past Tsukishima "inserted" into a tree and converting it into "power". "Infinite torrents of time" is how he looks at Time because he considers his contracts to be with "Gods of Time" since he holds time in a sort of religious reverence.
However, that's just how his Fullbring works. That's how he views time.
The narrator makes reference of the infinite futures that can transpire for Hikone. The context is Aura wants to show Hikone that, rather than have Hikone believe they are trapped by the single future Tokinada desires. That by no means refutes the narrator claiming infinite futures exist. Refer to my prior comment on fulfilling the burden of your claim and your lesser preponderance of evidence in comparison to the arguments laid out in the OP.Context is everything, and I have the physical copy of the book on hand. The pages leading up to the passage the OP cites as "confirmation of infinite future timelines" reveal Aura's resolve to rescue Hikone and their future from Tokinada's scheme to turn Hikone into the next Soul King, to give Hikone options and the right to make their own choices.
Saying that specific passage "confirms infinite future timelines" takes it completely out of its original context for the sake of supporting the OP's claim, and feels like a case of confirmation bias. Same with using Giriko's statement.
You're equivocating on what I mean by "possibilities"Yhwach directly says the futures he sees - using "grains of sand" as an analogy - can also be described as "possibilities". The quote where he says it is even in the OP.
And Yhwach further describes the act of "changing the future" as "jumping from one grain of sand to another". Grains of sand he calls "fate" or "possibility". In other words, "fate", "future" and "possibility" are interchangeable for Yhwach when describing what he sees with "The Almighty".
- それは言い換えれば無数の“可能性”とも言える
- "They are countless "possibilities", to put it in other words." ~ Yhwach Chapter 677
"The Almighty" doesn't require restructuring the cosmology of the setting to work as described.
I'm only going to address this point since it's mainly directed towards me and none of the previous posts made by Arc or Arcker address it either at all or in great detail. (i also have irl things to do so i don't wanna spend much time on a dishonest actor like Catalyst)Yet I am talking about Causality in relation to "The Almighty". Here's the thing: time is a representation of causality. You cannot have Time without Causality, either, because causality dictates the order of events.
No part of my argument makes the claim, or implies, that "Past, Present and Future isn't bound by time".
Nobody cares.I have the physical copy of the book on hand
what exactly is the point of being Immeasurable Speed?Next thing on the list is immeasurable speed for Yhwach and Reio when using the Almighty to rewrite the future and move around and attack their foes and all that stuff.
Arc, you know what to do buddy.