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Literally stated to be infinite in the novel. Not sure why you guys are "coincidentally." forget and rather focus on one miniscule part of the argument.countless can just mean very many, not neccessarily infinite, the term infinite can be used hyperbolically and there are definitions of infinity that mean approaching a limitless value or simply an extremely great value in general.
so disagree, i dont think the evidence is sufficient enough
i literally addressed the infinite part in my reply... it was literally two sentences long theres no reason to have not read itLiterally stated to be infinite in the novel. Not sure why you guys are "coincidentally." forget and rather focus on one miniscule part of the argument.
We have multiple statements of countless futures existing within Bleach and we even have a direct statement from a credible source that infinite futures exist within Bleach.countless can just mean very many, not neccessarily infinite, the term infinite can be used hyperbolically and there are definitions of infinity that mean approaching a limitless value or simply an extremely great value in general.
so disagree, i dont think the evidence is sufficient enough
The first line of your reply was already completely addressed in my first comment.We have multiple statements of countless futures existing within Bleach and we even have a direct statement from a credible source that infinite futures exist within Bleach.
The onus is on you to prove its hyperbolic given nothing supports nor even implies it's hyperbolic.
YesAgree, this logically applies to SK as well right?
Worst case scenario, the interpretation would be “2-B, likely 2-A hax”; however, as the others have pointed it, there’s a high preponderance of evidence towards the 2-A interpretation. Furthermore, when the narrator calls it infinite it’s not in a bombastic way that would indicate hyperbole, it’s in an explanatory way.The first line of your reply was already completely addressed in my first comment.
The second portion seems to be misinterpreting what i'm saying, im introducing the possibility of it being hyperbolic, because within the english language or even japanese manga it is common to use exaggerate values of things, especially but not limited to the use of the word infinite. So unless theres a concrete reason or basis its to be taken literally, i am not inclined to agreeing, hence me disagreeing.
It didn't, you basically just said infinite can be interpreted in different ways, you have to debunk our interpretation, you haven't done that yet.The first line of your reply was already completely addressed in my first comment.
The second portion seems to be misinterpreting what i'm saying, im introducing the possibility of it being hyperbolic, because within the english language or even japanese manga it is common to use exaggerate values of things, especially but not limited to the use of the word infinite. So unless theres a concrete reason or basis its to be taken literally, i am not inclined to agreeing, hence me disagreeing.
i forgot blazblue existedWe do it with BlazBlue, we do it with Nasuverse, we do it with Guilty Gear, we do it with Devil May Cry, we do it with Instant Death, we do it with Dungeons and Dragons, we do it with Warhammer, we do it with Destiny. (this list goes on and on)
We do it with all these other verses and everyone mostly has no problems with that but suddenly now it's a problem that Bleach is getting it too?, It seems kinda fishy ngl.
Hyperboles don't necessarily need to be portrayed in a "bombtastic" way and the evidence you presented doesn't inherently lean towards the literally infinite interpretation, explained earlier. But yeah since this wiki for some odd reason considers countless automatically 2-B then sure I'd be all for 2-B precog, 2-B possibly 2-A is an OK compromise.Worst case scenario, the interpretation would be “2-B, likely 2-A hax”; however, as the others have pointed it, there’s a high preponderance of evidence towards the 2-A interpretation. Furthermore, when the narrator calls it infinite it’s not in a bombastic way that would indicate hyperbole, it’s in an explanatory way.
Edit: if the majority ends up finding 2-B, likely 2-A hax more agreeable that’s fine too btw
If you agree we can use that exact same evidence and interpret it several different ways, the argument becomes the textbook definition of non sequitur? Unless theres further evidence outside of what was presented in the scans that support your interpretation as the greatest possible one, then i'd be for an outright 2-A.It didn't, you basically just said infinite can be interpreted in different ways, you have to debunk our interpretation, you haven't done that yet.
Thats a repetition of what you said before and what I already addressed.. If you think im asserting it is, you aren't understanding what i'm saying. And introducing the possibility is not non sequitur and is extremely relevant because it means your evidence doesn't lead to only the conclusion presented in this thread. I can use this exact same evidence as justification for a 2-b, and the fact that I can makes this line of reasoning fallacious.You have to prove its hyperbolic, just stating that it could is a literal non sequitur and isn't a counter to what we're proposing at all.
Yeah sure I'm fine with that.Also you shouldn't be disagreeing 2-A as a whole, you'd inherently have to concede to at least "at least 2-B, Possibly 2-A" since both arguments are based around presumed equal interpretations going by your line of logic
It’s the narrator stating there are infinite futures. It’s backed up by another scan about time earlier that Deceived is snagging tho.Isn't the cfyow statement kinda metaphorical? I mean it's Aura wanting Hikone to live and do many things, I'm not sure it can be used as evidence for the actual existence of infinite timelines and futures.
I am. I'll grab the raws at that.
Ok I think it's fine to use thenGiriko refers to the torrents of time as infinite as well. Supporting the notion of innumerable branching paths, as each torrent would account for different future paths.
Thanks to Reio35 for finding the scan, but CFYOW confirms there are infinite possible futures. So, it should just be 2-A hax.
The narrator made that statement. Narrator states there are infinite futures. Yhwach states he can intervene and see every single future. Logic dictates he can affect infinite futures.Furthermore, how does someone unaffiliated with Yhwach; someone who was talking in the context of wanting to show Hikone a life beyond what Tokinada had offered, in any way provide support for this?
Don’t see the relevance in this. I’m not claiming the Almighty gives Yhwach Multiversal AP. Which seems to be what you’re implying.That's the constraint. It has to be within Yhwach's physical capabilities to do so. There are no multiverse shenanigans happening with "The Almighty" because that doesn't exist within the context of the series. It's analogies and flowery language that are taken too literally.
They’re support because they show how many futures there are. Yhwach’s ability is just manipulating these futures. It’s precog over an infinite amount of futures, so that’s why it’s 2-A.How does precognition, in this specific instance, involve "multiversal hax"? Furthermore, how does someone unaffiliated with Yhwach; someone who was talking in the context of wanting to show Hikone a life beyond what Tokinada had offered, in any way provide support for this?
We need to put this in the dictionary of Head Canon. Holy shit. There is no basis for any of these claims, if you have it, show it.At its most basic, its most fundamental, "The Almighty" is a causality hax. He can see possible futures, and he can choose what "future"/"effect" he wants to happen in the present.
Is there a possible future where Ichigo's Bankai is broken? Where he breaks Ichigo's Bankai? He makes it happen, skipping the "cause" and going straight for the "effect". It's why Tensa Zangetsu and Ichigo's Hollow horn both appear in Yhwach's hands. Because, in separate possible futures, Yhwach broke both.
That's the constraint. It has to be within Yhwach's physical capabilities to do so. There are no multiverse shenanigans happening with "The Almighty" because that doesn't exist within the context of the series. It's analogies and flowery language that are taken too literally.
Because Yhwach's Precognition allows him to see infinite futures/possibilities? infinite futures/possibilities is 2-A and Yhwach's Fate Manipulation can affect all these futures at once, like literally read the ******* tiering system dude.- breathes in -
How does precognition, in this specific instance, involve "multiversal hax"? Furthermore, how does someone unaffiliated with Yhwach; someone who was talking in the context of wanting to show Hikone a life beyond what Tokinada had offered, in any way provide support for this?
The Almighty isn't Causality Manipulation the **** are you talking about? its most base fundamental level is Fate Manipulation, like i know you're a goon against Bleach but even people who try to downplay the verse know that Yhwach's Almighty is Fate Manipulation.At its most basic, its most fundamental, "The Almighty" is a causality hax. He can see possible futures, and he can choose what "future"/"effect" he wants to happen in the present.
This is a counter how? like dude, what you're saying isn't a counter to what at all we're arguing.Is there a possible future where Ichigo's Bankai is broken? Where he breaks Ichigo's Bankai? He makes it happen, skipping the "cause" and going straight for the "effect". It's why Tensa Zangetsu and Ichigo's Hollow horn both appear in Yhwach's hands. Because, in separate possible futures, Yhwach broke both.
Yhwach's Fate Manipulation literally has nothing to do with his physicals.That's the constraint. It has to be within Yhwach's physical capabilities to do so. There are no multiverse shenanigans happening with "The Almighty" because that doesn't exist within the context of the series. It's analogies and flowery language that are taken too literally.
Unfortunately my shenanigans might be biting my ass but it’s too funny to change lol, but yes people should read the OP fully, I make it clear it’s just hax not APFeel like a lot of the people who disagree are either misunderstanding the premise because of the bait title or simply don't understand that hax like precog can be tiered here.
Add this to the CRT TextGiriko refers to the torrents of time as infinite as well. Supporting the notion of innumerable branching paths, as each torrent would account for different future paths.
mrkUnfortunately my shenanigans might be biting my ass but it’s too funny to change lol, but yes people should read the OP fully, I make it clear it’s just hax not AP
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He literally said that he rewrites the future, in one of scans in the OP it says he destroyed Ichigo's sword in every future .. you saying he just chose one future to happen while the manga says he manipulated all the futures/possibilitiesAt its most basic, its most fundamental, "The Almighty" is a causality hax. He can see possible futures, and he can choose what "future"/"effect" he wants to happen in the present.