Monogatari's Multiplication Madness: Minor Muscle Magnification, Maybe?

[Agnaa]

With the new multiplier regulations, time to try out a CRT for them.

Koyomi Araragi tanked this 9-A punch when almost all of his vampirism was gone.

During this same arc, a specialist in vampires, Oshino Meme said

Of course, even if you power up by giving Shinobu-chan as much of your blood as you can, I don't think you can manifest more than a tenth of the power you had during spring break when you were a vampire.

Implying that during his peak at spring break he was at least ten times more powerful than he is now.

During his peak as a vampire at spring break, a legendary vampire commented on how vampire's defenses relate to their power.

In fact, my servant ― a vampire's defenses are not terribly high! Of course, they are leagues beyond our food's ― mere human defenses ― but so low they seem inversely proportionate to our outstanding offensive powers! Were we to rate a vampire's offenses at a hundred, our defenses are capped between ten and twenty!

Implying that their AP should be at least five times higher than their durability.

Combining both of these multipliers together, Koyomi Araragi should have his AP upgraded to 8-C (21.4*50 = 1070kg of TNT) and his durability upgraded to 9-A+ (214kg of TNT), and using the latter multiplier, Shinobu Oshino's AP should be upgraded from Low 6-B to 6-B (1.3968*10^22 J * 5 = 6.984*10^22 J).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This seems okay with me since we apparently accept multiplication factors now.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Makes sense to me

 

[Antvasima]

Dragonmasterxyz still has to look over the new Multipliers page first though.

 

[Agnaa]

Understood, I'll hold off bumping until then.

 

[Jobbo]

How about now?

 

[Agnaa]

The discussion thread about multipliers seems to now just be about what examples to use, should I consider this thread good to bump now?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that it should be fine.

 

[Agnaa]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members to comment here via their message walls, including Dragonmasterxyz. Just avoid Matthew and Azathoth, as I tend to pester them quite a lot about specific topics.

 

[Agnaa]

Thanks Ant, I've asked Dragon. Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Agnaa]

Another bump.

 

[Jobbo]

I feel your pain, bud. I myself manage a fairly unpopular verse and have to handle everything myself since no one cares.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Jobbo Should you ever want help, I tend to try to work on verses others tend to avoid, if possible. Even if I'm not a big supporter.

 

[Jobbo]

I appreciate the offer.

For the topic of the thread, I agree as well. You already have a staff member's support, shouldn't it be fine to add by now?

 

[Agnaa]

I guess it's up to ant if that makes it fine to add.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

as a side note i dont think calc group members count as a staff member since it isnt really a position, more like a show of trust than anything

 

[Jobbo]

You're listed on the staff pages. Good enough for me.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members to comment here via their message walls, including Dragonmasterxyz. Just avoid Matthew and Azathoth, as I tend to pester them quite a lot about specific topics.

I am not very good at evaluating these types of threads, so I prefer to let the rest of the staff decide: VS Battles Staff

Still, you can check the Multipliers page to see if what you suggested meets the requirements.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, the calc group is considered to be a very important official part of the staff.

Unfortunately we can only give them rollback rights as an automatic reward, as their work isn't connected to discussion or content moderation.

 

[Agnaa]

I believe it meets the requirements. They're blatant statements, from reliable characters with relevant knowledge, and the difference in strength from his peak is important to the story.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that it should probably be fine then, but I would prefer more staff input.

 

[Agnaa]

Alright, bump.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Still no input. Have you asked any staff members for help?

 

[Agnaa]

Yes, I've asked more, but I'll keep asking around.

 

[Andytrenom]

The 10x multiplier seems fine, but I have my doubts about the 5x one.

The statement about defense being 20 and attack being 100 doesn't really seem like it's talking about the exact ratio between AP and durability and just seems to be there to give you a rough idea about how much higher one stat is than the other. Well, that's my take on it anyway.

So yeah, based on just those two statements I agree with the 10x multiplier but disagree with the 5x one.

 

[Agnaa]

Fair enough.

If only the 10x one is accepted then there wouldn't be a tier change, he'd simply be upgraded from 9-A (0.02 tons of TNT) to 9-A+ (0.214 tons of TNT).

 

[Promestein]

The 10x multiplier seems more reliable.

 

[Agnaa]

Probably, any other thoughts? Bump?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it seems like the 10x multiplier has been accepted, but not the 5x one.

 

[Agnaa]

I've applied the 10x multiplier. If there's no further objections, I'll leave the 5x as rejected and stop bumping.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we close this thread then?

 

[Agnaa]

We could probably leave it open just in case any other staff member wants to push for the 5x. But I think it's safe to let it die open, no-one should be necro'ing it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Low-key necro.

How is 5x multiplier less accurate than a 10x one? I may be missing something, but both statements come from reliable sources.

 

[Jobbo]

It's LN mechanics.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

It's LN mechanics.

Not sure what that means. Could you explain?

 

[Jobbo]

Just a joke, this sort of thing usually gets shot down for being game mechanics so I just replaced it with LN mechanics.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

That's good, but I'd like to hear an answer regarding the 5x multiplier.

Also, considering that after Kizu Koyomi had less than 1/10th of his strength, and that multiplying it by 10 already makes him borderline 8-C, I think "At least 9-A, possibly 8-C" should be fine, 5x multiplier aside.