Monogatari - Owari to Zoku LN Updates + More

[Agnaa]

So in the 1.5 years since I've last made a Monogatari CRT like this, I've read 4 more LNs with a lot of new context to change the profiles. I've also thought of a bunch of other stuff that I've missed from earlier books.

This is gonna be a bit of a big boi.

Owarimonogatari 1​

Definite additions:

1. The room Ougi created blocked wi-fi signals. (Source) More Technology Manipulation? Or Light Manipulation (since wi-fi uses radio waves)? Or something else entirely?
   • EDIT 2: Crimson thinks this should be Radiation Manipulation. I guess that's fair since radio waves are electromagnetic radiation, but so is light, so myeh. It does probably better fit under that tho.
   • EDIT 4: Rather thinks this is just sealing. I'm cool with that too.
2. Koyomi calls Hanekawa's stamina impressive. (Source) This should bump up her stamina from "Likely Average" to "Above Average"
3. Right after praising the speed at which Ougi makes decisions, Koyomi says her rivalry with Hanekawa is on more than a verbal level. (Source) I believe this is implying they're intellectually comparable, so I'll tack on "Likely Genius" to Ougi's intelligence.

Possible/questionable/idk what to add this as stuff:

• 4. The room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in prevented anything from entering or leaving, including sound. (Source) Some people I've talked to say this should be law hax or space hax.
  • EDIT 1: ThisThingIsReallyBroken thinks this should be Sealing. That sounds reasonable to me, too.
• 5. The room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in had an unnatural view outside of the window, showing buildings that shouldn't have been there from a perspective that shouldn't have been possible. (Source) With them later deducing that it's not just showing a view from another place, but another time of the day and time of the year. (Source)
  • EDIT 2: Crimson thinks this should be space manip. Sounds fine to me.
• 6. The objects in the room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in seem kind of indestructible. When Ougi threw a desk at a window, there wasn't a single scratch on either. Trying to scrape the blackboard with a ballpoint pen created no sound and left no marks. (Source)
  • EDIT 3: Since this is too weak to be invulnerability, it'd just have to be listed as reality warping.
• 7. In the context of him believing this classroom to be an aberration, Koyomi says that if Shinobu appeared she'd eat whatever they're facing, maybe even the whole classroom. (Source) I'm not really sure how we should take this, more support for 9-A?
• 8. Koyomi believes that Hanekawa predicted when he'd arrive at school, only being off by one minute because he spent a minute talking to Ougi. (Source)
  • EDIT 2: Crimson says this is more for Hanekawa's intelligence section, makes sense to me.

Owarimonogatari 2​

Definite additions:

1. Seishirou, like many other vampires we've seen, can turn into mist. (Source) This should give him the same Intangibility and Pseudo-Teleportation they have.
2. The fire Kako started turned concrete and steel molten. (Source) I'll add this to her fire manip justification.
3. Ononoki has no will. (Source) I think I'll add this to her social influencing resistance.
4. Koyomi explains the loophole Kanbaru found in Seishirou's ability to make people lost. (Source) This way to get around that ability should be explained in Seishirou and Ougi's weakness sections.
5. When fighting the unnamed oddity with Shinobu, about half of her wounds came from Black Hanekawa. (Source) I'll add this feat to Shinobu's dura so there's something more concrete than "comparable to".
6. Gaen says that Ononoki would have been able to overcome Seishirou's vampiric immortality to put him out of his misery. (Source) So she should get Mid-High regen null.
7. Seishirou didn't have a conscious or an unconscious when he initially came to the cram school. (Source) So he can walk around, knock, and even fight without a conscious or unconscious. That's some pretty good Instinctive Reaction.
8. Koyomi notices that Seishirou has some common sense, and speculates he gained it through his energy drain. That it absorbs not only physical energy and voice, but even knowledge. (Source) Koyomi later notices Seishirou having knowledge that he shouldn't have. (Source) Koyomi points out such again to a greater extent, saying it's a lot more credible that he could absorb knowledge with energy drain, and that it's almost as if he knew everything. (Source) This is soon confirmed; his ashes sitting at a shrine for 15 years gained the knowledge about all aberrational phenomena in the town. (Source)
9. Koyomi says that since Seishirou's a vampire over 400 years old, he needs to think of him as someone with the ability to absorb every customer and employee in the bookstore in the blink of an eye if he felt like it. (Source) This statement adds a lot, making his absorption a lot more combat applicable, giving it a larger range, and hell, maybe even functioning as an upgrade to his reaction/perception speed. This should likely scale to Kiss-shot as well. But this statement does kind of run into conflict with the next statement...
10. Directly afterwards, Koyomi says that his previous comments may have been too pessimistic. Since Seishirou's walking around in the middle of the day, he must be in some sort of quasi-vampire form like Shinobu's, where most of his vampiric abilities and strength would be sealed away. But that even then he'd probably be too strong for Koyomi. (Source)
    • EDIT 2: Crimson says this should scale to Kiss-shot and Kizu!Koyomi, since Koyomi only doubted Seishirou's ability to do that since he's not a full-on vampire. I think that's fair, although it would be so out of character for Koyomi that it wouldn't be usable.
11. Seishirou confirms that he's the one who sent the unnamed mockery of a monkey aberration. (Source) I'll add this aberration as a key on his page, and mention that he can summon it.
12. As a shikigami, Ononoki's sight and hearing must far surpass an average human's. (Source) Plastic bags are strangely transparent to eyes like hers. (Source)
13. The bamboo sword Gaen brings out in Owari can be thought of as a stun gun. Gaen was only able to thrust it into the ground because of the spiritual energy flowing through it. (Source) There's a lot of potential changes from this. Izuko herself should be knocked down to 10-B I guess, since her 9-B feat was only done through the weapon's mechanics. Maybe she could get Paralysis Inducement, Energy Manipulation, and Power Bestowal, depending on the interpretations we take (I can elaborate on arguments for/against each of these abilities if needed).
14. The talisman being directly applied to Seishirou made his voice, self, senses, and memories crumble, and would eventually scatter him to dust. (Source) Memory Manip for all talisman-users?
    • EDIT 2: Crimson says this should also be sense manip and deconstruction. That makes sense to me.

Possible/questionable/idk what to add this as stuff:

• 15. Seishirou absorbing Koyomi's voice left Koyomi unable to talk for some time. (Source)
  • EDIT 2: Crimson says this should be sound manip. That sounds accurate to me.
• 16. Since Ononoki's a corpse, she can't sweat. (Source)
• 17. Gaen picked up the phone as soon as Koyomi called her, before it could even ring once. (Source) Koyomi later said she shouldn't have been able to figure out when he'd call, yet she was totally unflapped as if she'd been waiting. Gaen replies that it's no big deal. (Source) Another feat to add to Hanekawa/Gaen's repertoire of "Seemingly knowing exactly when Koyomi will call them/arrive at a place."
• 18. There's a really weird statement about vampire's immortality. "It's not that they don't die, they're undying because there is no death for them. In other words, they're not immortal because they come back to life, they're immortal because they continue to live no matter what happens." (Source) I can't think of an interpretation for this that isn't some contradicted NLF-y thing, but maybe y'all can.
• 19. As mere ash, Seishirou repeatedly made the shrine he was at collapse. (Source) We're not given a timeframe, and we don't even know if it was some direct physical influence, or by him attracting/concentrating/generating aberrations that destroyed it, so this may not be very usable.
  • EDIT 2: Crimson says this should be Aura. That works.
• 20. If Shinobu's vampirsm is restored (Source), or if she's simply near Seishirou, Seishirou will become more powerful, (Source)
  • EDIT 10: LordGriffin suggested putting this down as Limited Stat Amp. Sounds good.
• 21. After having his link to Shinobu cut, and his vampirism reduced, Koyomi wouldn't call himself resistant to hunger. (Source) This implies that he is resistant to hunger when the link to Shinobu is present.
  • EDIT 10: LordGriffin said to just put this in stamina/weaknesses. I think I'll do that.
• 22. Koyomi notes that experts are really skilled at finding remote, inconspicuous places. Wondering if their eyes see different things. (Source) Possible enhanced senses for experts?
• 23. Ononoki gives off no signs of life. (Source) Because of this, Ononoki wasn't noticed while Koyomi was. (Source)
  • EDIT 3: This should be Stealth Mastery, duh.
• 24. Koyomi wonders if Gaen predicted and planned for this series of events. Which would have involved predicting that Seishirou would have arisen with a will of his own beore it happened. He says he might be reading too much into things, but retracts that, and Ononoki doesn't say he's going too far until Koyomi wonders if Gaen predicted what books he'd buy. (Source)
• 25. Episode says that Koyomi dying now is the worst outcome, since there'd be two vampires out there like Heartunderblade. Also mentioning that Koyomi is holding back a monster that could destroy the world ten times over. (Source) I feel like that first statement is a little too weak to scale Seishirou to 6-B/5-B, but it's some support to keep in mind for any future statements. I also don't feel comfortable upgrading Kiss-shot based on being capable of "destroying the world ten times over", especially since sometimes her "destroying the world" has just meant "turning everyone into vampire-zombies".
• 26. So it turns out that, in this part of Owari, Seishirou wasn't transforming into/out of a suit of armour, he was actually wearing it. (Source) He simply took it off while pacing away from Koyomi. (Source) I'm not sure what should be done about the Transformation in light of this. Should we assume that, in his first appearance, he wasn't the suit of armour and was just some ash inhabiting it? Or did he transform into it/out of it that time, and not later? He also might deserve some sort of creation for presumably creating this armour,
• 27. Kanbaru recounted all 76 digits in the second sublime number perfectly, despite guessing about half of them. Koyomi gushes about how lucky that is. (Source)
• 28. When the talisman was placed on Seishirou's body he became unable to maintain a human form, he broke apart into pieces of the aberrations he'd accumulated, he regressed into those "bad things" themselves. Many specific aberrations are name-dropped here. (Source) Thinking about it more, I'm unsure how to treat this. We know what some of these things do. He's summoned the snail and monkey ones himself, and when the monkey was damaged it reformed itself with parts of the crab and snake. But it's hard to tell how a lot of them would apply to him himself. Does him containing a tiger mean he can manipulate fire, or does it mean he can summon a tiger who would then manipulate fire? Does him containing a phoenix mean he has Tsukihi Araragi-level immortality, or does it mean he can summon a being with that level of immortality? Some of these aberrations have multiple things they can scale to. Does the monkey part scale to everything the Rainy Devil can do, or do we just lowball it to the different set of powers the monkey he summoned had? Does the snake part scale to everything Nadeko Sengoku can do, or do we just lowball it to the regen-nulling poison the monkey reformed itself with? Does the crab part scale to the crab gods that can erase people's existences, or do we just lowball it to being unfettered by gravity like the crab the monkey reformed itself with? And importantly, Ougi Oshino probably scales to this stuff, these questions also have important implications for her.
  • EDIT 4: Rather thinks a lot of this could be solved by slapping a "possibly" on it. I'm inclined to agree. List everything we know he can summon under a certainty, then do "likely every ability of every aberration in the town for the last 15 years, including..." with an explanation behind it.

Owarimonogatari 3​

Definite additions:

1. The Darkness almost made Mayoi a wandering soul, unable to pass on to heaven or hell. She nearly ceased to exist altogether. (Source) The Darkness seems to have some metaphysical component to what it erases. This aspect of it should be mentioned, and I think it would let The Darkness overcome low-godly regen.
2. Yumewatari's revivification occurs immediately. (Source) I'll mention this wherever Yumewatari's mentioned.
3. After losing his vampirism, Koyomi comments that a normal human's stamina recovery feels sluggish. (Source) His Zoku stamina should be upgraded.
4. More feats for Ononoki's Resistance to Social Influencing. Ononoki can't do anything without instructions from Kagenui. (Source) Ononoki's current mission is to monitor Koyomi, so she'll be doing that until the order's rescinded, even if it's for the rest of their lives. (Source)
5. Koyomi thinks that, while Ononoki would have oddity-related expertise, academically she should be similar to a twelve-year-old. (Source)
6. As a shikigami aberration, Ononoki's senses are hundreds of times sharper than a normal human's. (Source)
7. Tsukihi is pretty successful academically. (Source) Her intelligence should be bumped up to Gifted.
8. Kiss-shot can endure the sun's rays just fine as long as her defense is up. (Source) Another scan to toss in her weaknesses section.
9. Kiss-shot's absolute immortality means that she'd be fine even if she landed in a volcano. (Source) Another fire manip resistance feat ig.
10. It turns out that only Koyomi could make The Darkness be summoned by identifying Ougi. (Source) This requires a lot of changes to how The Darkness is viewed. There's another similarly confounding statement which says that all aberrations could be made to vanish this way. (Source) The best explanation that other experts I talked to had for this is that this sort of thing requires a consensus among all/most who know about that supernatural phenomenon. If all/most of them agree that a scientific explanation holds, then they'll no longer believe in it as a supernatural thing, and the associated oddity will cease to exist. To rectify this, I'll remove the weakness from Ougi's profile and add this info to the explanations section on the verse page.
11. Tsukihi is more immortal than a vampire, and can't succumb to sickness, poison, or accident. (Source) Add resistance to disease/poison manip, and I should probably rewrite her regen to include the explanation from Nise that her regeneration is stronger when she receives stronger injuries. (Source)
12. Ougi was brought into being by Koyomi. Just like how Tooe made the Rainy Devil, and more like how Hanekawa created Black Hanekawa/Kako, than like how the specialists made Ononoki. (Source) Given how similar it is to Hanekawa's ability, which we considered Creation, Koyomi should get that too.
13. Following up on the statement last book about Seishirou having accumulated pieces of all the aberrations in the town, we get another long and significant statement. Since Seishirou was something like a synthesis of all the aberrations in the town, he had an affinity for the Monkey's Paw. He used to be the valve on the monster main. Because this was passed onto Koyomi through Shinobu eating Seishirou, Ougi was born, an 'unidentified' encompassing all the aberrational phenomena that occurred here. She's not a combat type, but she'd be adept at using, say, Kiss-shot's ability to generate matter. A hybrid monster that can rouse up just about any aberrational phenomenon. Since she was born from Seishirou, who was like the town's aberration itself, Ougi was a monster when it came to knowledge. It took Ougi quite a while to make full use of her abilities since they were just so extraordinary. (Source) This is one of the more solid parts for scaling Ougi and Seishirou to the abilities of all aberrations listed.
14. Hanekawa pulled ten all-nighters in a row when tracking down Meme. (Source) It took her one night of sleep to make a complete recovery from this. (Source) Another stamina feat ig.
15. Hanekawa wasn't affected by the Lost Cow when bringing Meme back, as she's a resident of that town, and the Lost Cow can't make you lose your way if you want to go home. (Source)

Possible/questionable/idk what to add this as stuff:

• 16. Ougi and Koyomi consider a match between Kiss-shot and snake-god Nadeko. Ougi says the odds are in favor of Kiss-shot as she has the power to end the entire world, but that Nadeko would be every bit as immortal. Koyomi thinks that it'd turn into a fruitless mudslinging match between immortals. (Source) I don't feel very comfortable scaling Nadeko's AP to Kiss-shot from this, but likely scaling regen and possibly scaling resistance to death manip should be fine.
  • EDIT 1: ThisThingIsReallyBroken thinks this should only be a possibly. Fine by me, I guess.
• 17. Seishirou's ashes killed the god that previously inhabited Kita-Shirahebi Shrine, absorbing it and using it to fuel his return. (Source)
  • EDIT 2: Crimson says this should be placed as another Absorption feat, cool by me.
• 18. Koyomi concluded that The Darkness was a rule of their world, like gravity, action-and-reaction, natural selection, survival of the fittest, and math formulas. (Source)
• 19. Gaen says that her knowing everything is different from being able to predict everything. She simply anticipates possible outcomes and prepares for them. (Source)
  • EDIT 2: After talking to Crimson on Discord, he thinks Izuko should get Preparation for this sorta thing. I'm inclined to agree. She can anticipate with stunning accuracy the possible outcomes, and prepare for them.

Zoku Owarimonogatari​

Definite additions:

1. With everything in the town flipped, Koyomi was unable to read (Source), but other characters like Sodachi were. (Source 1) (Source 2) The "possibly perception manip" justification should be changed. The text, just like everything in the town, was flipped (Source) but we don't know how the others read it. Maybe their perception was flipped to see it as normal, or maybe their memories were changed to where they learned to read that way (which is already covered on the profile).
2. In the mirror world, Koyomi's link to Shinobu was cut, making nothing about him vampiric, reducing his durability to where he can't withstand a blow from Kanbaru (Source) or travel with Unlimited Rulebook. (Source) For his Zoku key, I'm not sure if I should say his durability and other vampiric abilities vary, since they already do at some points, and he has his normal level of vampirism at the start/end of the book, or if I should remove the parts about his vampirism entirely, which would make scaling less clear. I'm leaning towards the former. I should also mention under Koyomi's power null that he removed his own vampiric qualities. (Source)
3. Being in the dark isn't an issue for the vision of an aberration like Ononoki. (Source)
4. Hanekawa's energy drain doesn't mean much to Ononoki since she's a corpse. (Source) Resistance to Life Manip.
5. Being a corpse, alcohol's nothing more than a preservative to Ononoki. (Source) Implying she wouldn't get drunk. Resistance to Poison Manip.
6. Ougi describes herself as someone with all kinds of elements from all kinds of aberrations. (Source) I feel like this could be referencing the myriad of abilities she inherited from Seishirou, so more support for that I guess.

Possible/questionable/idk what to add this as stuff:

• 7. Black Hanekawa is dumb. (Source) But there's earlier statements that she was a nightmare to deal with because she had Tsubasa's knowledge. The solution to this conundrum is to say that Monogatari separates intelligence and knowledge; with Black Hanekawa only borrowing Tsubasa's knowledge. I'm not entirely sure how to reflect this in an intelligence section, though.
  • EDIT 4: Rather (semi?) jokingly suggested using "varies" for this. I guess something like "Varies, Below Average normally (Is consistently portrayed as dumb), Genius in terms of knowledge (Shares Tsubasa's knowledge)" could work.
• 8. Ougi swapped her uniform with Koyomi's. (Source) I'm not sure what to consider this. Reality warping? Matter manip? Cloth manip? Teleportation? Not that this would matter too much, since it'd likely only be applicable for ******* with Koyomi.
  • EDIT 2: Crimson reckons this should be another matter manip feat, I'm good with that.
• 9. Ougi couldn't leave the classroom because she was confined there; it was established as the place where she belonged. (Source) Another feat for Koyomi's reality warping in Zoku, but I don't know what ability it is. A person on Discord says Fate Manip, another one says Law Manip.
• 10. Ougi created a zero-percent reflective mirror. When enshrined at the heart of the town, it will revert Koyomi's reality warping, and then absorb the wayward thoughts that aberrations are made out of. (Source) Seems a bit similar to what talismans do but I'm not exactly sure what to give it. Power Null for sure, maybe Absorption too?
• 11. Apparently everyone else in the town recalled the event as involving a light flooding the entire town. (Source) I'm not sure if this is just because of the memory fuckery, or if it actually happened. And if it did, whether it was because of the initial warping, or because of Ougi undoing it.
  • EDIT 2: Crimson says possibly light manip for Koyomi works, since Ougi's unmaking shouldn't really engulf the town with light, which makes sense to me.

Stuff With Disparate Batches Of Evidence​

There's a bunch of stuff I'd put under the heading of "Ougi Mind Fuckery". With just a few of these alone I wouldn't consider it enough for an ability, but with everything I have I think it builds up to solid mind/memory manip. Although I would still like help with wording this for the profile.

1. Her words, behaviour, and appearance are difficult for Koyomi to retain. (Source)
2. Koyomi frequently forgets why he's doing things with Ougi, and assumes there's a good reason for him doing them. (Source 1, Source 2)
3. Koyomi forgot how he met Ougi. (Source)
4. Koyomi's memory is unclear around something Ougi told him that morning, with him not even remembering who told him about it. (Source) Koyomi forgot where he learned information Ougi gave to him in his dream. (Source)
5. Koyomi tried to remember his exchanges with Ougi but his memories didn't lead anywhere. The harder he tried to recall them, the hazier they grew. This always happened with her, speaking with Ougi muddles his memories. Remembering things he didn't want to remember, forgetting things he ought to think about, finding memories that never existed planted in his mind. (Source)
6. Kanbaru doesn't remember how she ended up on speaking terms with Ougi. Before she knew it, Ougi was just there as though he always had been, suddenly on good terms with her, Araragi, Senjougahara, and Hanekawa. (Source)
7. Ougi told Tsukihi that they'd met the day before. They hadn't, but Tsukihi isn't sure, and that topic ends up quickly getting brushed aside. (Source)
8. At the start of Hana, Kanbaru uses male pronouns for Ougi, before finding this weird and asking Ougi if he used to be a girl. Ougi responds that he's been a boy all along, after which Kanbaru apologizes and says of course she was wrong. (Source)
9. Later on in Hana, Kanbaru seems to not remember that Ougi was ever a girl. Finding one of his jokes inappropriate, and not knowing what he meant when he said "I'm supposed to be a boy right now." (Source)
10. Ougi lets it slip that she knew what happened to Nadeko, but covers it up by saying Koyomi told her, he seems to buy this. He also doesn't seem to register a few sentences Ougi says. (Source)
11. a) Around Ougi, words just kind of slip out of Koyomi's mouth. By the time he notices, he's already answered. (Source 1,Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, Source 5) Ononoki is worried about how loose-lipped Koyomi is around Ougi. (Source)
    • 6. b) Koyomi comments that Ougi's really good at drawing things out of people, and that he doesn't think of himself as particularly loose-lipped. (Source)
12. In some additional material, Ougi says that Koyomi wasn't lying, as around her you can have secrets but you cannot lie. (Source)
13. Ougi tells Koyomi that she's a good listener, and that Sodachi might tell them all kinds of things if she's around. (Source)
14. Koyomi found it odd how in-depth and casually he'd told the events of Onimonogatari to Ougi so soon after he'd met her. (Source) He also found it odd how he told it to her before anyone else. (Source)
15. Shinobu tells Koyomi that Ougi is something, Koyomi says she might be but doesn't really know, and says it's all a mystery to him. (Source)
16. Hanekawa notices that Koyomi seems to avoid thinking about Ougi in a negative light. (Source)
17. When Ougi's trying to convince Koyomi to go investigating with her instead of Hanekawa, Koyomi says the eerie line "Why yes, Ougi was exactly right. The girl always said the rightest things.". (Source)
18. By March, 5 months after he met Ougi, Ougi's in Koyomi's room early in the morning on the day of his exams, and he doesn't remember why, yet he doesn't care. If she was in his bed when he woke up, he wouldn't be surprised. (Source)
19. Despite Nadeko's impression that her conversation with Ougi didn't last long, a lot of time seems to have passed, almost like time was stolen away. (Source) She later couldn't remember some of what Ougi had told her. (Source) However, when Kuchinawa later explained the events of Otori, he said that Nadeko was just pretending to have forgotten, although this wasn't in reference to things she'd heard from Ougi. (Source)

There's an unrelated branch of Ougi mind-stuff where she knows some information related to Koyomi.

1. Ougi knew about an agreement he made with Hitagi earlier that day. (Source) Demonstrating that her knowledge about him continually updates.
2. Ougi knew that Nadeko wanted to become a manga artist, something that she was trying to keep secret. (Source) I don't believe Koyomi could have known this.
3. Ougi knows every last thing about Koyomi's concerns, circumstances, and relationships. Even things he'd forgotten or concealed. She knew everything about Koyomi Araragi. (Source)
4. Koyomi assumes that Ougi would know everything he does. Ougi says that she doesn't grasp everything about Koyomi, that overlapping and failing to at the same time is what allows her to be Koyomi's critic. (Source)

EDIT 2: Crimson wrote some wording for this ability, and I rewrote it a bit, so here's the current draft:

"Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (Can draw out secrets from others in conversation, easily getting them to say things they would otherwise would not. She states that you cannot lie to her. Her presence in memories is incredibly vague and often distorted. Others can't seem to recall certain things about her from memory)"

Shinobu's ability to manifest matter lets her construct out of shadows and darkness anything that she's able to imagine, including guns. (Source) As she just threw together the design, the pistol she made was pretty strange, somewhere between an automatic and a revolver. (Source) Basically, I want to rewrite Shinobu's Shapeshifting and Matter Generation section to include feats like this. I'll probably also chuck in the time she made a Nintendo DS (Source) and the time she made some, uh, dentistry/hair salon equipment. (Source 1, Source 2) There's also a statement that it'd be feasible for Shinobu to create an aberration or a high school girl. (Source 1 - Official Translation, Source 2 - Fan Translation)

Seishirou should get some sort of ability for making those around him "feel bad mentally", although this effect is limited to characters with supernatural qualities. Koyomi and Episode should get resistance to whatever ability Seishirou gets from this. (EDIT 2: Crimson says this is aura, mind manip, and empathic manip, sure that sounds fine)

1. Waking up after the encounter with Seishirou, Kanbaru was fine physically but felt bad mentally, like she did at Kita-Shirahebi Shrine in Bake. Her strength sapped out of her, as if she'd been poisoned. (Source)
2. The noxious force of the "bad things" Seishirou brought along with him made Kanbaru grow quiet. But it didn't affect Koyomi, Gaen, or Episode. (Source)
3. When Kanbaru climbed Kita-Shirahebi shrine she was tired, her face looked pale. (Source)
4. The moment Kanbaru entered the shrine grounds she was pale and visibly tired. The shrine had something that messed with Kanbaru's body. (Source)
5. Koyomi asked Meme why Kanbaru felt that way when entering the shrine, Meme explained that "bad things" gathered at the shrine, precursors to aberrations, which made Kanbaru feel sick. Since she's part aberration, it's easier for her to be affected by bad things. It's the same for Koyomi, but Shinobu's such a higher rank of aberration than Kanbaru's monkey, Koyomi's built up a resistance to them while Kanbaru hasn't. (Source)
6. Meme also explained that those bad things wouldn't make an ordinary human feel unwell. (Source)

In Owari 2, Ononoki says that after she reports to Gaen she'll delete her memories of certain events which were too boring. (Source) In Zoku Owari, she told Koyomi that she wiped her memory of a fruitless discussion. (Source) Even though these two aren't completely solid on their own, I think those, combined with her pre-existing self personality-changing, is good enough for a solid self-memory manip.

There's some abilities/properties some characters have "because they're aberrations". One I talked about in this CRT was seeing in the dark not being an issue for an aberration like Ononoki. (Source) There's two things like this already on Tsubasa's profile; Black Hanekawa could withstand high temperatures because she's an aberration (Source), and Black Hanekawa not having a problem with fatigue because she's an aberration, even when in a human body she moves using a different set of rules than a human. (Source) I suggest giving these abilities under a "possibly" conditional to all aberrations.

EDIT 6: It turns out that Mayoi is never actually established as being intangible. While she has done various things that demonstrate tangibility (eating food with Koyomi in Nise, riding on Koyomi's bike to escape The Darkness in Oni). The closest things we have can be explained by invisibility alone (Hitagi refusing to take Mayoi's note from Koyomi in Bake), and all the statements we have about Mayoi only mention her invisibility.

So, all the characters who currently have ESP and NPI from stuff involving Mayoi should only have ESP. Kokorowatari should probably keep NPI by being able to cut down the weird non-physical barriers specialists can place, and by being able to wound the Meddlecat possessing Tsubasa without harming Tsubasa herself.

Misc. One-Off Stuff​

Definite additions/removals:

1. The only thing that can enter Koyomi's shadow is Shinobu's flesh; she couldn't bring other items in even if she wanted to. (Source)
2. Ougi strides ahead of Koyomi, with him feeling like she might leave him behind altogether, commenting that she must have legs of iron. (Source) Given that Koyomi says his vampirism's at a low ebb at this point, Ougi should scale to the low-end of his speed; Athletic Human.
3. If Nadeko hadn't been inclined to accept the Slug Tofu it wouldn't have had the power to seal her away. (Source) Resistance to Sleep Manip for Nadeko.
4. Kiss-shot creating shockwaves is an anime-only thing, so it should be removed from her profile's P&A and range sections.
5. Shinobu's profile currently says she used telekinesis to move rain clouds, but in the novels she specifically says she used her hands. (Source) So that statement should be removed from her telekinesis section.
6. The vampire hunters from Kizu, including Episode, can stop vampiric regeneration by stealing their existence as a vampire, making their severed limbs not disappear, and since they don't disappear, they don't regenerate. (Source) I think this should probably count as mid-high nullification, since even over time I don't think Kiss-shot could come back from this.
   • EDIT 5: It turns out the quote about the vampire slayers preventing Kiss-shot from regenerating had a bit more to it, which I ignored because it was the end of a later paragraph. Here's the full context, importantly, it's a technique that can't be used very frequently, and it probably requires all three of them to perform, although it then says "now that there's two left there's no risk", instantly contradicting itself about whether it probably requires 3 or definitely requires three. I'm not quite sure how this should be indexed. Limited Regen Null, with an explanation of these limits?
7. Koyomi's vampiric healing made him less effected by the Cinderswarm Bee. (Source) Resistance to Disease Manip to those who obviously scale (Zoku Koyomi, Kizu Koyomi, Seishirou, Kiss-shot)
8. At the end of Koi, Kaiki could see the snake wrapped around the boy. (Source) We know from Bake that this should be invisible. (Source) So he should get Extrasensory Perception.
   • EDIT 9: In Nise, Kaiki could sense something unsettling in Koyomi's shadow, and tell that he absorbed half of his sister's condition. (Source) More justification for Extrasensory Perception.
9. Having given a lot of blood to Shinobu, Koyomi could see through the darkness. In fact, he could see better in the dark. (Source) Doesn't change much, but this is a better scan for seeing in the dark than his current one, and it applies to his quasi-vampire state.
10. Meme made Tsubasa crumple and fall asleep merely by tapping her head. (Source) Sleep manip?
11. Koyomi had to bike around for nine hours before feeling tired. (Source) Nice stamina feat.
12. I should expand on Karen's martial arts on her profile. This post details most of the descriptions/scans I'd like to add.
13. Since real world animals are getting a lot of changes, scaling to Kagenui to polar bears probably isn't the way to go about things. She should still be 9-B though, Karen says Kagenui would be an even match for Karen's master, and that Karen wouldn't be able to beat her. (Source) Karen also said that Kagenui could set off a car's airbag by punching it. (Source) Koyomi later said this was wrong, if it was a compact she could probably total the whole car. (Source) Kagenui's punches passed through Koyomi's body and hit the floor, pulverizing it, sending chips fly around. Koyomi bets she could demolish the whole building with just her bare hands. (Source)
14. EDIT 7: I found a statement in Kizu that Koyomi was only able to transform his arms into plants because Hanekawa had been kidnapped; and that in any other situation he probably wouldn't even be able to transform his fingers. (Source) I'll mention this in the NA&T section that it's out of character for him to do this in most fights.
15. EDIT 8: I found a statement in Nise that Zoku!Koyomi won't necessarily live forever, maybe just for another few hundred years. Giving him full-on immortality type 1 is probably too brazen, and he should just get Longevity. (Source)
16. EDIT 9: I found a statement in Nise that Karen can shatter stones mid-air with her kicks. (Source) More justification for 9-B.
17. EDIT 9: I found a statement in Nise implying that Kagenui knew about Koyomi having been a vampire, and about Karen having been afflicted by a hornet. (Source 1, Source 2) This combined with her stuff implying she could see Shinobu in Koyomi's shadow should give her Extrasensory Perception.
18. EDIT 9: Another Hanekawa intelligence feat; accurately predicting Koyomi's thoughts and environment merely by talking to him over the phone. (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3)
19. EDIT 11: Yotsugi's ESP justification should also include that time she recognized that Koyomi was a "monster", and that Mayoi was a snail. (Source 1, Source 2)
20. EDIT 12: Kagenui says that Meme's the cleverest among him, her, and Kaiki. And that they reckoned he was the biggest genius the club had ever seen. (Source) So he's definitely above Kaiki and Kagenui. But, even though they played shogi with Izuko, I don't feel comfortable putting Meme flatly above her. For example, he considers Tsubasa a monster, and was seemingly outdone by her knowledge when fighting Black Hanekawa, but Izuko's established as being smarter than her. Still, this probably makes it okay to put Meme in that sort of realm/category, so I'd suggest an upgrade to Genius.
21. EDIT 12: Black Hanekawa has a good nose; she could tell that Koyomi had visited her house. (Source) We saw his visit earlier; he took four quick laps before leaving. (Source) Enhanced Senses.

Possible/questionable/idk what to add this as stuff:

• 22. Karen leapt over a gate. Not a garden-variety garden gate, the kind you'd find in front of a certain kind of house: impressive, or imposing, or really huge. But like a ninja, she leapt clean over it. (Source) I don't know what kind of ability, speed rating, or AP rating this would give. Acrobatics?
  • EDIT 2: Crimson thinks this is just Acrobatics. I realized that since Kagenui and Seishirou also do similar big jumpy things, they should get Acrobatics too.
• 23. Koyomi describes Ononoki as "an immortal aberration", "a being with no life force", who "wouldn't die if you smashed her into smithereens". (Source) I don't know if this is just another way of describing her type 7, or trying to give her type 2, but I think it's too vague to assume that she'd still be functioning/would regenerate if literally "smashed into smithereens", so I don't feel comfortable giving type 2 off of this.
• 24. There's a statement that Koyomi wouldn't be able to beat Kagenui with a bazooka, and that no matter what kind of bullet used, nothing would penetrate her defenses let alone kill her. (Source) Since it's unclear if this is referring to durability, or her already Supersonic speed, I don't think it's very useful for an upgrade.
• 25. Hanekawa regularly pulls off unbelievable stunts like scoring a perfect 600 across six courses in five core subjects. In the first semester finals our second year, across every single subject, including P.E. and Art, Hanekawa only missed one question, a Japanese History fill-in-the-blank. (Source) More stuff for Hanekawa's intelligence section?
• 26. With a lot of vampirism, Koyomi healed immediately from his brain and head being dented. (Source) Some people think this is enough for Mid regen, I'm not 100% sure and could be sold either way.
• 27. EDIT 12: Kaiki also figured out that Tsukihi was an immortal aberration. (Source) He did this without ever having met her face-to-face, simply by sounding out her other two siblings. (Source) Honestly I'm not sure what this should be, ESP doesn't work since he never met her. Maybe just an intelligence feat?

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[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

The room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in prevented anything from entering or leaving, including sound. (Source) Some people I've talked to say this should be law hax or space hax.

Sounds like sealing in a weird pocket dimension with conditions rather than law hax.

Nadeko’s immortality should be a possibly, since the statement seems unreliable. Kiss shot would be able to vaporize her with sheer AP logic wise.

 

[Agnaa]

Sounds like sealing in a weird pocket dimension with conditions rather than law hax.

Nadeko’s immortality should be a possibly, since the statement seems unreliable. Kiss shot would be able to vaporize her with sheer AP logic wise.

Can I take that as you being okay with everything else?

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

ye

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

The room Ougi created blocked wi-fi signals. (Source) More Technology Manipulation? Or Light Manipulation (since wi-fi uses radio waves)? Or something else entirely?

Limited Radiation Manipulation, that's what radio waves are.

• 4. The room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in prevented anything from entering or leaving, including sound. (Source) Some people I've talked to say this should be law hax or space hax.
• 5. The room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in had an unnatural view outside of the window, showing buildings that shouldn't have been there from a perspective that shouldn't have been possible. (Source) With them later deducing that it's not just showing a view from another place, but another time of the day and time of the year. (Source)

Probably should be sealing and space hax. Not sure what else the "weird view outside the window" thing would count ass.

6. The objects in the room Ougi trapped herself and Koyomi in seem kind of indestructible. When Ougi threw a desk at a window, there wasn't a single scratch on either. Trying to scrape the blackboard with a ballpoint pen created no sound and left no marks. (Source)

No clue what this counts as. Maybe invulnerability for the objects within the room?

7. In the context of him believing this classroom to be an aberration, Koyomi says that if Shinobu appeared she'd eat whatever they're facing, maybe even the whole classroom. (Source) I'm not really sure how we should take this, more support for 9-A?

I believe more support for 9-A, yes.

8. Koyomi believes that Hanekawa predicted when he'd arrive at school, only being off by one minute because he spent a minute talking to Ougi. (Source)

More for the intelligence section.

1. Koyomi says that since Seishirou's a vampire over 400 years old, he needs to think of him as someone with the ability to absorb every customer and employee in the bookstore in the blink of an eye if he felt like it. (Source) This statement adds a lot, making his absorption a lot more combat applicable, giving it a larger range, and hell, maybe even functioning as an upgrade to his reaction/perception speed. This should likely scale to Kiss-shot as well. But this statement does kind of run into conflict with the next statement...
2. Directly afterwards, Koyomi says that his previous comments may have been too pessimistic. Since Seishirou's walking around in the middle of the day, he must be in some sort of quasi-vampire form like Shinobu's, where most of his vampiric abilities and strength would be sealed away. But that even then he'd probably be too strong for Koyomi. (Source)

Even if it doesn't scale to Seishirou, it should scale to Kiss Shot and probably Kizu!Koyomi, since the only reason Araragi really doubts it is because he's not a full on vampire.

The talisman being directly applied to Seishirou made his voice, self, senses, and memories crumble, and would eventually scatter him to dust. (Source) Memory Manip for all talisman-users?

Memory manip, sense manip and deconstruction yes.

Seishirou absorbing Koyomi's voice left Koyomi unable to talk for some time. (Source)

Guess this shows that his absorption can be more esoteric in nature, stealing someone's voice like that. I think this is Sound Manip.

Gaen picked up the phone as soon as Koyomi called her, before it could even ring once. (Source) Koyomi later said she shouldn't have been able to figure out when he'd call, yet she was totally unflapped as if she'd been waiting. Gaen replies that it's no big deal. (Source) Another feat to add to Hanekawa/Gaen's repertoire of "Seemingly knowing exactly when Koyomi will call them/arrive at a place."

I would say this is straight up Analytical Prediction but she herself deconfirms this in one of the latter points you show so lol

There's a really weird statement about vampire's immortality. "It's not that they don't die, they're undying because there is no death for them. In other words, they're not immortal because they come back to life, they're immortal because they continue to live no matter what happens." (Source) I can't think of an interpretation for this that isn't some contradicted NLF-y thing, but maybe y'all can.

I mean this just straight up fits with our description of Type 5 immortality.

• 19. As mere ash, Seishirou repeatedly made the shrine he was at collapse. (Source) We're not given a timeframe, and we don't even know if it was some direct physical influence, or by him attracting/concentrating/generating aberrations that destroyed it, so this may not be very usable.
• 20. If Shinobu's vampirsm is restored (Source), or if she's simply near Seishirou, Seishirou will become more powerful, (Source)
• 21. After having his link to Shinobu cut, and his vampirism reduced, Koyomi wouldn't call himself resistant to hunger. (Source) This implies that he is resistant to hunger when the link to Shinobu is present.
• 22. Koyomi notes that experts are really skilled at finding remote, inconspicuous places. Wondering if their eyes see different things. (Source) Possible enhanced senses for experts?
• 23. Ononoki gives off no signs of life. (Source) Because of this, Ononoki wasn't noticed while Koyomi was. (Source)

No clue on this yeah, maybe Aura?

Their strength is linked, i don't know if there's a power for that

Limited Self Sustance type 2

Yes

Resistance to Extrasensory Perception

26. So it turns out that, in this part of Owari, Seishirou wasn't transforming into/out of a suit of armour, he was actually wearing it. (Source) He simply took it off while pacing away from Koyomi. (Source) I'm not sure what should be done about the Transformation in light of this. Should we assume that, in his first appearance, he wasn't the suit of armour and was just some ash inhabiting it? Or did he transform into it/out of it that time, and not later? He also might deserve some sort of creation for presumably creating this armour,

I think Creation fits yeah. If he didn't transform in the armor then out with transformation.

27. Kanbaru recounted all 76 digits in the second sublime number perfectly, despite guessing about half of them. Koyomi gushes about how lucky that is. (Source)

shrug

28. When the talisman was placed on Seishirou's body he became unable to maintain a human form, he broke apart into pieces of the aberrations he'd accumulated, he regressed into those "bad things" themselves. Many specific aberrations are name-dropped here. (Source) Thinking about it more, I'm unsure how to treat this. We know what some of these things do. He's summoned the snail and monkey ones himself, and when the monkey was damaged it reformed itself with parts of the crab and snake. But it's hard to tell how a lot of them would apply to him himself. Does him containing a tiger mean he can manipulate fire, or does it mean he can summon a tiger who would then manipulate fire? Does him containing a phoenix mean he has Tsukihi Araragi-level immortality, or does it mean he can summon a being with that level of immortality? Some of these aberrations have multiple things they can scale to. Does the monkey part scale to everything the Rainy Devil can do, or do we just lowball it to the different set of powers the monkey he summoned had? Does the snake part scale to everything Nadeko Sengoku can do, or do we just lowball it to the regen-nulling poison the monkey reformed itself with? Does the crab part scale to the crab gods that can erase people's existences, or do we just lowball it to being unfettered by gravity like the crab the monkey reformed itself with? And importantly, Ougi Oshino probably scales to this stuff, these questions also have important implications for her.

I think assuming he has their powers but can also summon them is the best course of action. I mean, Owari 3, they also say Seishirou absorbed the "effect of the Rainy Devil", so he should have those powers. Unless something contradicts this, i don't think lowballing the effects is a good idea. I mean, it would be super arbitrary, how do we know he has the gravity powers of the crab instead of the EE?

It's just thinking about it too hard.

• 16. Ougi and Koyomi consider a match between Kiss-shot and snake-god Nadeko. Ougi says the odds are in favor of Kiss-shot as she has the power to end the entire world, but that Nadeko would be every bit as immortal. Koyomi thinks that it'd turn into a fruitless mudslinging match between immortals. (Source) I don't feel very comfortable scaling Nadeko's AP to Kiss-shot from this, but likely scaling regen and possibly scaling resistance to death manip should be fine.
• 17. Seishirou's ashes killed the god that previously inhabited Kita-Shirahebi Shrine, absorbing it and using it to fuel his return. (Source)
• 18. Koyomi concluded that The Darkness was a rule of their world, like gravity, action-and-reaction, natural selection, survival of the fittest, and math formulas. (Source)

I agree with this.

More absorption.

Possible Abstract Existence type 1?

In the mirror world, Koyomi's link to Shinobu was cut, making nothing about him vampiric, reducing his durability to where he can't withstand a blow from Kanbaru (Source) or travel with Unlimited Rulebook. (Source) For his Zoku key, I'm not sure if I should say his durability and other vampiric abilities vary, since they already do at some points, and he has his normal level of vampirism at the start/end of the book, or if I should remove the parts about his vampirism entirely, which would make scaling less clear. I'm leaning towards the former. I should also mention under Koyomi's power null that he removed his own vampiric qualities. (Source)

Agreed with using the former.

• 8. Ougi swapped her uniform with Koyomi's. (Source) I'm not sure what to consider this. Reality warping? Matter manip? Cloth manip? Teleportation? Not that this would matter too much, since it'd likely only be applicable for ******* with Koyomi.
• 9. Ougi couldn't leave the classroom because she was confined there; it was established as the place where she belonged. (Source) Another feat for Koyomi's reality warping in Zoku, but I don't know what ability it is. A person on Discord says Fate Manip, another one says Law Manip.
• 10. Ougi created a zero-percent reflective mirror. When enshrined at the heart of the town, it will revert Koyomi's reality warping, and then absorb the wayward thoughts that aberrations are made out of. (Source) Seems a bit similar to what talismans do but I'm not exactly sure what to give it. Power Null for sure, maybe Absorption too?
• 11. Apparently everyone else in the town recalled the event as involving a light flooding the entire town. (Source) I'm not sure if this is just because of the memory fuckery, or if it actually happened. And if it did, whether it was because of the initial warping, or because of Ougi undoing it.

That's just more matter manip i'm pretty sure.

Law manip, the way she says it makes it pretty clear.

Power null and absorption yes

i think possibly Light Manip for Araragi works. I don't exactly see how Ougi unmaking his reality warping would engulf the town in light.

Although I would still like help with wording this for the profile.

"Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (Can draw out secrets from others in conversation, easily getting them to say things they would otherwise would not. Word of God states that you cannot lie to her. Her presence in memories is incredibly vague and often distorted. Others can't seem to recall anything about her from memory)"

i'm almost running out of battery so i'll be quick here.

Seishirou thing should be Aura and Mind Manipulation/Empathic Manip.

Meme made Tsubasa crumple and fall asleep merely by tapping her head. (Source) Sleep manip?

Yes.

• 14. Karen leapt over a gate. Not a garden-variety garden gate, the kind you'd find in front of a certain kind of house: impressive, or imposing, or really huge. But like a ninja, she leapt clean over it. (Source) I don't know what kind of ability, speed rating, or AP rating this would give. Acrobatics?
• 15. Koyomi describes Ononoki as "an immortal aberration", "a being with no life force", who "wouldn't die if you smashed her into smithereens". (Source) I don't know if this is just another way of describing her type 7, or trying to give her type 2, but I think it's too vague to assume that she'd still be functioning/would regenerate if literally "smashed into smithereens", so I don't feel comfortable giving type 2 off of this.

Acrobatics, yes.

That's still just Type 7, yeah.

18. With a lot of vampirism, Koyomi healed immediately from his brain and head being dented. (Source) Some people think this is enough for Mid regen, I'm not 100% sure and could be sold either way.

"Brain dent" implies severe brain damage, so i agree with Mid.

Everything i didn't mention i agree with.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

I mean this just straight up fits with our description of Type 5 immortality.

I mean tbf, it seems more like flowery language. They could just be saying this due to their ridiculous regen.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Could be, could be not, you never know with these characters. If anything would come out of it, it would at most be a "possibly Type 5"

 

[Agnaa]

The legendary response response.

Limited Radiation Manipulation, that's what radio waves are.

Electromagnetic radiation, and light is electromagnetic radiation. Blech. I'll edit your suggestion into the OP

Probably should be sealing and space hax. Not sure what else the "weird view outside the window" thing would count ass.

Already edited the sealing part in from ThisThing, so I'll edit in the space hax part too.

No clue what this counts as. Maybe invulnerability for the objects within the room?

If it's giving them invulnerability, that'd probably be power bestowal, right? I also think some people made Invulnerability harder to get, so I'll ask them what they think.

More for the intelligence section.

Yeah I should clarify that.

Even if it doesn't scale to Seishirou, it should scale to Kiss Shot and probably Kizu!Koyomi, since the only reason Araragi really doubts it is because he's not a full on vampire.

That makes a ton of sense actually. But it would be hella out of character (to the point where it's out of the realm of what he can will himself to do) for Kizu!Koyomi.

Memory manip, sense manip and deconstruction yes.

Right those abilities too, makes sense.

Guess this shows that his absorption can be more esoteric in nature, stealing someone's voice like that. I think this is Sound Manip.

Jesus we have a sound manip page? Yeah I guess it'd apply.

I mean this just straight up fits with our description of Type 5 immortality.

I agree with the reply ThisThing left in regards to this.

No clue on this yeah, maybe Aura?

Yeah I guess.

Limited Self Sustance type 2

I don't think we can give that even as limited if it doesn't last forever, from what I remember. I think it might just have to be listed without linking to a power page.

Resistance to Extrasensory Perception

idk, that'd kinda imply that Kanbaru would have Extrasensory Perception, which seems wack.

I think Creation fits yeah. If he didn't transform in the armor then out with transformation.

Cool.

shrug

She doesn't have a page anyway so who cares.

I think assuming he has their powers but can also summon them is the best course of action. I mean, Owari 3, they also say Seishirou absorbed the "effect of the Rainy Devil", so he should have those powers. Unless something contradicts this, i don't think lowballing the effects is a good idea. I mean, it would be super arbitrary, how do we know he has the gravity powers of the crab instead of the EE?

Fair on the Rainy Devil part, I missed that. Well, there's a statement in Owari 2 that the crab part of the monkey that Seishirou summoned seemed to be unfettered by gravity, so we'd basically be lowballing those to what he's shown.

Possible Abstract Existence type 1?

idk, it already has AE type 2 which I think fits better.

i think possibly Light Manip for Araragi works. I don't exactly see how Ougi unmaking his reality warping would engulf the town in light.

Yeah that's a fair call.

Thanks a ton for the help with the wording for Ougi's mind fuckery. I've tweaked it a bit:

"Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (Can draw out secrets from others in conversation, easily getting them to say things they would otherwise would not. She states that you cannot lie to her. Her presence in memories is incredibly vague and often distorted. Others can't seem to recall certain things about her from memory)"

Seishirou thing should be Aura and Mind Manipulation/Empathic Manip.

Seems fair.

Acrobatics, yes.

This reminds me, Seishirou and Kagenui should probably get Acrobatics too.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

If it's giving them invulnerability, that'd probably be power bestowal, right? I also think some people made Invulnerability harder to get, so I'll ask them what they think.

True. Definetly one of the weirder ones in here in case of doubt go with reality warping

That makes a ton of sense actually. But it would be hella out of character (to the point where it's out of the realm of what he can will himself to

True, but still useful to list, even if he wouldn't use it. Can just note that in the profile.

Limited Self Sustance type 2

I don't think we can give that even as limited if it doesn't last forever, from what I remember. I think it might just have to be listed without linking to a power page.

Fair.

Resistance to Extrasensory Perception

idk, that'd kinda imply that Kanbaru would have Extrasensory Perception, which seems wack.

True. Araragi did say she was concealing her presence well thanks to it, so maybe Stealth Mastery

idk, it already has AE type 2 which I think fits better

Fair enough, this gives more evidence for that if anything.

 

[Agnaa]

True. Definetly one of the weirder ones in here in case of doubt go with reality warping

Yeah the immortality destroyer says it's not solid enough. Guess we'll just have to list reality warping.

True, but still useful to list, even if he wouldn't use it. Can just note that in the profile.

That is the plan!

True. Araragi did say she was concealing her presence well thanks to it, so maybe Stealth Mastery

That makes a whole lot of sense, good call.

 

[Agnaa]

I should also mention, I don't think Black Hanekawa's regen null should be upgraded if Koyomi's top-end regen gets upgraded. He regenerated a dent in his head right after pushing his vampirism to the absolute limit, and I don't think he did that when Black Hanekawa stopped his arm from regenerating. Since regenerating a lost arm is Low-Mid, his regen failing to work there only reaches that tier.

I'm less sure on Nadeko's null, since I think there's statements that Koyomi pushed his vampirism to the limit when fighting her, yet his regen got nulled during that.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

If Black Hanekawa's regen null doesn't go up, Shinobu's doesn't as well right?

 

[Agnaa]

Right.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Bump

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Bump

 

[RatherClueless]

The room Ougi created blocked wi-fi signals. (Source) More Technology Manipulation? Or Light Manipulation (since wi-fi uses radio waves)? Or something else entirely

Should simply be sealing

In the context of him believing this classroom to be an aberration, Koyomi says that if Shinobu appeared she'd eat whatever they're facing, maybe even the whole classroom. (Source) I'm not really sure how we should take this, more support for 9-A?

Just her ability to eat any aberation. I dont think it's a tier. Absorption maybe?

This should likely scale to Kiss-shot as well. But this statement does kind of run into conflict with the next statement...

Yes. Ive been saying that his stuff should scale for ages now.

EDIT 2: Crimson says this should be sound manip. That sounds accurate to me.

But that's just absorbtion tho? He absorbed his voice, thus it was gone.

18. There's a really weird statement about vampire's immortality. "It's not that they don't die, they're undying because there is no death for them. In other words, they're not immortal because they come back to life, they're immortal because they continue to live no matter what happens."

Type 5 immortality

28. When the talisman was placed on Seishirou's body he became unable to maintain a human form, he broke apart into pieces of the aberrations he'd accumulated, he regressed into those "bad things" themselves. Many specific aberrations are name-dropped here. (Source) Thinking about it more, I'm unsure how to treat this. We know what some of these things do. He's summoned the snail and monkey ones himself, and when the monkey was damaged it reformed itself with parts of the crab and snake. But it's hard to tell how a lot of them would apply to him himself. Does him containing a tiger mean he can manipulate fire, or does it mean he can summon a tiger who would then manipulate fire? Does him containing a phoenix mean he has Tsukihi Araragi-level immortality, or does it mean he can summon a being with that level of immortality? Some of these aberrations have multiple things they can scale to. Does the monkey part scale to everything the Rainy Devil can do, or do we just lowball it to the different set of powers the monkey he summoned had? Does the snake part scale to everything Nadeko Sengoku can do, or do we just lowball it to the regen-nulling poison the monkey reformed itself with? Does the crab part scale to the crab gods that can erase people's existences, or do we just lowball it to being unfettered by gravity like the crab the monkey reformed itself with? And importantly, Ougi Oshino probably scales to this stuff, these questions also have important implications for her.

Just smack a "possibly" on to it

Kiss-shot's absolute immortality means that she'd be fine even if she landed in a volcano. (Source) Another fire manip resistance feat ig.

I'd say that's regen. Probably

7. Black Hanekawa is dumb. (Source) But there's earlier statements that she was a nightmare to deal with because she had Tsubasa's knowledge. The solution to this conundrum is to say that Monogatari separates intelligence and knowledge; with Black Hanekawa only borrowing Tsubasa's knowledge. I'm not entirely sure how to reflect this in an intelligence section, though.

Varies, lol

I am fine with the rest. If there is an "Edit", I agree with that

 

[Agnaa]

Should simply be sealing

Ehh, I guess so. I'm fine either way.

Just her ability to eat any aberation. I dont think it's a tier. Absorption maybe?

Still, doing that does kinda come with some level of overcoming durability.

Yes. Ive been saying that his stuff should scale for ages now.

My worry with blanket doing that is that a lot of his stuff wouldn't scale, because it comes from stuff he absorbed, which we can't say that Kiss-shot absorbed. And in a lot of cases, we don't know whether he got it from absorption or not. ofc in this case since it mentions it being because of vampiric stuff I'm cool with it.

But that's just absorbtion tho? He absorbed his voice, thus it was gone.

Absorption resulting in sound manip c:

Type 5 immortality

Like I said before I'm inclined to think that's a flowery description of their other stuff.

Just smack a "possibly" on to it

I guess that does solve many issues. List of a bunch of abilities we know he can summon, then do "likely every ability of every aberration in the town for the last 15 years, including..." with an explanation behind it.

I'd say that's regen. Probably

Monogatari already puts resistance to death manip, resistance to poison manip, and resistance to fire manip as coming from regeneration.

Varies, lol

I guess I could do something like "Varies, Below Average normally (Is consistently portrayed as dumb), Genius in terms of knowledge (Shares Tsubasa's knowledge)"

 

[RatherClueless]

Still, doing that does kinda come with some level of overcoming durability.

Dura Neg :v

Like I said before I'm inclined to think that's a flowery description of their other stuff.

It's pretty blatantly deathless tho

 

[Agnaa]

Dura Neg :v

We no longer accept dura neg without a strong reason for it.

It's pretty blatantly deathless tho

It's also contradicted by all the times vampires die or have death inflicted upon them. They usually survive this because of their regen, but it's not like death is unattainable if that's nulled; so it seems like a flowery description of that very regen.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Bump

 

[Agnaa]

Sorry everyone but I am a ******* dumbass.

It turns out the quote about the vampire slayers preventing Kiss-shot from regenerating had a bit more to it, which I ignored because it was the end of a later paragraph. Here's the full context, importantly, it's a technique that can't be used very frequently, and it probably requires all three of them to perform, although it then says "now that there's two left there's no risk", instantly contradicting itself about whether it probably requires 3 or definitely requires three.

I'm not quite sure how this should be indexed. Limited Regen Null, with an explanation of these limits?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Probably should be Regen Null with Prep?

 

[Agnaa]

It's unclear if prep's needed or not, just that it "can't be used very frequently" and may or may not require all 3 of them to be done.

 

[Agnaa]

I just realized another necessary change.

So it turns out that Mayoi is never actually established as being intangible. While she has done various things that demonstrate tangibility (eating food with Koyomi in Nise, riding on Koyomi's bike to escape The Darkness in Oni). The closest things we have can be explained by invisibility alone (Hitagi refusing to take Mayoi's note from Koyomi in Bake), and all the statements we have about Mayoi only mention her invisibility.

So, all the characters who currently have ESP and NPI from stuff involving Mayoi should only have ESP. Kokorowatari should probably keep NPI by being able to cut down the weird non-physical barriers specialists can place, and by being able to wound the Meddlecat possessing Tsubasa without harming Tsubasa herself.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

This seems fine yeah. I was honestly iffy on the whole Incorporeality thing to begin with so this is no problem to me.

 

[Agnaa]

I just found this statement in Kizu that Koyomi was only able to transform his arms into plants because Hanekawa had been kidnapped; and that in any other situation he probably wouldn't even be able to transform his fingers.

I'll mention this in the NA&T section that it's out of character for him to do this in most fights.

 

[Agnaa]

From this statement in Nise, Zoku!Koyomi probably shouldn't have Immortality type 1, and should just have Longevity.

 

[Agnaa]

From this statement in Nise, Karen can shatter stone mid-air with a kick. More justification for her being 9-B.

 

[Agnaa]

From this statement in Nise, Kaiki could sense that there was something unsettling in Koyomi's shadow, and tell that Koyomi absorbed half of Karen's condition. More justification for his extrasensory perception.

 

[Agnaa]

Kagenui should probably get ESP too. There's the statement already on her profile implying she can see Shinobu in Koyomi's shadow (which is under darkness manip instead of ESP like it probably should be), and there's this statement from Nise implying she knows about Koyomi having been a vampire, and about Karen having been afflicted by a hornet.

Another Hanekawa intelligence feat; accurately predicting Koyomi's thoughts and environment merely by talking to him over the phone. (Source 1, Source 2, Source 3)

 

[Antvasima]

I don't have the time to evaluate all of this, but Agnaa is usually very reliable.

@PrettyFearMachine @-BANLK- @RatherClueless @CrimsonStarFallen @Cloozuma @Mr._Bambu @Problemexe @Phoenks

What do you think about these suggestions?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I've already gave my points and agreements to this before.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. My apologies.

@GyroNutz @DarkGrath @The_Wright_Way @Moritzva @Firestorm808 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Everything12 @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @KingTempest

Would any of you be willing to help out here as well please?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I haven't read or watched anything Monogatari related in months, so I know absolute **** all about the series as of now. Could revisit it later at some point.
That being said, I find myself to be in agreement with Crimson in regards to pretty much everything in this thread.

Feel free to scratch me off of the verse's supporters list, lol

 

[Antvasima]

You can remove yourself from the verse page list if you wish.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

agree with everything

 

[Antvasima]

@Dino_Ranger_Black @Gemmysaur @JustSomeWeirdo @LordGriffin1000 @Theglassman12 @Crabwhale @Eficiente

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Sorry, today's my birthday and I've been chilling with the family. This is a pretty long thread but I'll try and go over it as much as I can when I get the chance, my apologies.

Edit:

Owarimonogatari 1

1. I guess Radiation Manipulation works? I'm not entirely sure but I'm not sure Sealing is the way to go.

2. I'm fine with the Stamina update.

3. Intelligence upgrade looks good.

4. Sealing seems fine but I'm not entirely sure since Law or Space Hax can also stop things from entering said room but I'd say more information would be required so Sealing is ok with me.

5. Spatial Manipulation seems fine.

6. Reality Warping seems fine.

7. I'm not sure how to treat that but I guess it depends on the method on how she'd "eat" everything. Could be overtime or all at once but I don't know how to treat it.

8. I guess that could go in the intelligence section. However if she knows him in context then she could guess when he'd show up if that's around the time he'd always show up.

I'll comment on the other stuff when I get the chance unless this gets finished before I reply again.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out and happy birthday.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Apologies on not finishing the evaluation on this faster, I had a lot to due the pat couple of days but here is my thoughts on the rest of the stuff.

I'm only gonna comment on stuff that I have an issue with or just giving my own thoughts on that way my post won't be filled with just "I agree", "seems fine" and so on. If I don't mention it, I agree with it. As I pointed out on my first comment above, I'm not familiar with the verse so I can't really give any detailed response but here's my thoughts regardless.

Owarimonogatari 2

13. I believe the abilities are fine though I think Power Bestowal should be switched with Statistics Amplification since the line about the spiritual energy increased her strength and allowed her to pierce the ground. I don't really see Power Bestowal but if I'm mistaken just let me know.

16. I'm honestly not sure what to make of that in terms of ability or what not.

18. Sounds like flowery language but could be Type 5 Immortality since.

19. Aura seems fine I guess.

20. So limited Statistics Amplification?

21. That's something that would go on his stamina and weaknesses.

22. Possible Enhanced Senses seem fine.

24. Probably could go in the characters Intelligence section if she planned for many events.

25. I'm not comfortable with using that statement unless there are more solid statements.

26. I guess we assume just in the armor? I'm not sure since I don't know the verse. As for creation, it we don't know how he got the armor or if he created it then I wouldn't add Creation without some other backing.

27. I'm not sure what to apply this as, if he guessed half of them than he's just lucky enough to get them right. I'd argue Supernatural Luck if that has some backing by other feats.

28. I can agree with listing the stuff he summoned then "possibly" for the other stuff.

As for the other stuff in this section of the OP, I agee with the additions suggested.

Owarimonogatari 3

9. I wouldn't really give her resistance to fire given they are referring to her Immortality that would allow her to survive.

18. I'm not sure what to make of this, my apologies.

As for the other stuff in this section of the OP, I agree with the additions suggested.

Zoku Owarimonogatari

7. I agree with varies for the intelligence rating.

8. I'd argue teleportation if the character showed it on more than just on occasion on clothes but since it's just a statement without much detail I'd say cloth manipulation is fine.

9. This sounds more like Law Manipulation instead of Fate Manipulation.

10. Power Nullification and Absorption are fine.

As for the other stuff in this section of the OP, I agree with the additions suggested.

Stuff With Disparate Batches Of Evidence

Everything seems fine here, the draft looks okay as well.

Misc. One-Off Stuff

3. Why Resistance to Sleep Manipulation and not just Sealing? Is the Sealing method putting them to sleep?

6. Limited Regeneration Nullification with a description on why should be fine though I'm not good with wording such things myself.

10. I could argue the person knocked her out with brute force since some times in fiction characters can tap people and knock them out through Strength alone but I'm fine with sleep manipulation if everyone else is.

19. Acrobatics is fine with me.

20. I'm not sure either. I'd probably just ignore it without further information but that's just my opinion.

21. It seems to be referring to both but I don't know could warrant something but if it's too vague I'd just say ignore it.

22. Yeah, you could put that in the intelligence section.

23. I honestly don't think it's enough for mid since the brain wasn't completely destroyed and simply dented. Although I've seen people argue mid from just being shot in the head so I don't know.

As for the other stuff in this section of the OP, I agree with the additions suggested.

Apologies again for not commenting sooner.