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I guess yeah.
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Minor Arceus and Creation Hax Addition: Type 8 Immortality & Power Nullification
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Should Arceus and the CT gain resistance to extreme cold and cosmic radiations?
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Yup
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LT too
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I mean, this is so beyond obvious and a given that I doubt it should even need to be asked.
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I know, I think Arceus had those resistances in the past, but they were removed for no apparent reason.
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Because profile was garbage until the recent CRTs lmao
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Yeah, I agree
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Should True Arceus be resistant to matter manipulation? I mean, Arceus precedes it, in the same way that it precedes souls.
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Wouldn't that also go for all the Sinnoh gods in general? Since matter explicitly didn't come to be until the birth of the 2 trios.
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Yeah, it is directly stated that the matter was born from Dialga and Palkia's wishes.
"The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be."
"The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be."
"Two make matter, and three make spirit, shaping the world."
"The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be."
"The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be."
"Two make matter, and three make spirit, shaping the world."
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BTW Mesprit and Azelf should get Creation for obvious reasons, +
Three Pokémon there were.Into the lakes they dove.
Deep, deep, drawing no breath.
Deeper, deeper they dove.
Into suffocating depths they dove.
Deeper, then deepest they alight.
From the lake floor they rise.
Bearing with them the power to make vast lands, they rise again.
Same for Dialga and Giratina.
Three Pokémon there were.Into the lakes they dove.
Deep, deep, drawing no breath.
Deeper, deeper they dove.
Into suffocating depths they dove.
Deeper, then deepest they alight.
From the lake floor they rise.
Bearing with them the power to make vast lands, they rise again.
Same for Dialga and Giratina.
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Sure. But lets not use this thread as a means to give these guys too many other abilities, I want to make sure the original proposals get accepted and applied first.
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just cause someone predates something doesnt mean they resist it what?
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Im pretty sure he means because they predate the creation of matter, they themselves are not made of matter, so they resist it for lacking matter.
Like lacking a soul = immunity to soul manipulation.
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oh I know that is what he was trying to push for, but that makes no sense just cause someone predates the concept of time does mean they are resistant to it, they just exist before it, you would need solid proof that they don't have it in any manner, Palkia and Arceus sure as hell ain't getting it, you could make an argument for Dialga and Giratina maybe due to what they are but just because you predate something does mean you lack it
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First off, why wouldn't Arceus get it? The CT are all aspects of him, so whatever they have, Arceus gets by default.
Secondly, in fairness, using time as an example is not a good comparison since you can't "lack" time by coming before it. In this case however, the argument is that because they came before matter was ever a thing, it means that their existence lacks matter. And if they lack matter, then they'd then get a resistance to matter manipulation for not being made of matter.
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Since he is literally Palkia who as we all know is space that should contain matter so if he is Palkia he should still have matter that can be manipulated so he shouldn't get it
If you exist before something you do not necessarily lack it if that were the case if you were to exist before something you would have to resist everything that you predate since the set of the universe/multiverse and it's subsets would not include you in their composition so you should reasonably lack every single thing that exists within the universe/multiverse if we are going by that logic then
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Maybe the quote refers to their avatars specifically not being matter?
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that is not the issue, the issue is that due to them being composed of space they would by proxy be composed of matter
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I know what you said, which is why I suggested that maybe the quote speaks about their avatars not being made of matter instead of their true forms (which would be time, space, etc.)
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I'm neutral to that then, but if you are going down that route you are going to have to deal with the fact that logically this would lead to them getting resistance to so many other things due to them originating in the universe
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Type 1 AE already covers such
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Can someone summarize things so I can be caught up quickly?
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That's it? Seems like an easy addition to me.
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Yeah. Basically, part of the DW's role in the cosmology is to maintain the balance between time and space, countering any sort of imbalance that can threaten it. This includes attacks. Since Dialga and Palkia (and Arceus) in their true forms are time and space, they are reliant on the DW as another layer of protection. Hence, type 8 immortality.
This also gives true form Giratina power nullification for being able to negate the said imbalances.
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Surprised this wasn't already implemented on Giratins at least.
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Another one of "you see it, but don't actually see it" things until you check it again lol.
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So, since the avatars of Arceus and Giratina have already Immortality (Type 8) and while Arceus itself has Power Nullification, then their True Forms should have Improved Immortality (Type 8) for both Arceus and Giratina, while Improved Power Nullification in the case of Arceus?
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You could say that, yeah. Arceus has another source of power null now should this go through.
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Overall, I agree with the OP too
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Should we wait for more agreement?
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I think we should call at least one staff member who are in the Supporters of the Pokémon verse list to agree with this thread
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I messaged Starter but so far no response from him yet for this.
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