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I guess yeah.Btw, we are we on Giratina (and Arceus ofc) getting power null from this? Since even attacks fall under the DW repairing imbalances to protect the balance of time and space?
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I guess yeah.Btw, we are we on Giratina (and Arceus ofc) getting power null from this? Since even attacks fall under the DW repairing imbalances to protect the balance of time and space?
YupShould Arceus and the CT gain resistance to extreme cold and cosmic radiations?
I mean, this is so beyond obvious and a given that I doubt it should even need to be asked.Should Arceus and the CT gain resistance to extreme cold and cosmic radiations?
Because profile was garbage until the recent CRTs lmaoI know, I think Arceus had those resistances in the past, but they were removed for no apparent reason.
just cause someone predates something doesnt mean they resist it what?Should True Arceus be resistant to matter manipulation? I mean, Arceus precedes it, in the same way that it precedes souls.
Im pretty sure he means because they predate the creation of matter, they themselves are not made of matter, so they resist it for lacking matter.just cause someone predates something doesnt mean they resist it what?
oh I know that is what he was trying to push for, but that makes no sense just cause someone predates the concept of time does mean they are resistant to it, they just exist before it, you would need solid proof that they don't have it in any manner, Palkia and Arceus sure as hell ain't getting it, you could make an argument for Dialga and Giratina maybe due to what they are but just because you predate something does mean you lack itIm pretty sure he means because they predate the creation of matter, they themselves are not made of matter, so they resist it for lacking matter.
Like lacking a soul = immunity to soul manipulation.
First off, why wouldn't Arceus get it? The CT are all aspects of him, so whatever they have, Arceus gets by default.oh I know that is what he was trying to push for, but that makes no sense just cause someone predates the concept of time does mean they are resistant to it, they just exist before it, you would need solid proof that they don't have it in any manner, Palkia and Arceus sure as hell ain't getting it, you could make an argument for Dialga and Giratina maybe due to what they are but just because you predate something does mean you lack it
Since he is literally Palkia who as we all know is space that should contain matter so if he is Palkia he should still have matter that can be manipulated so he shouldn't get itFirst off, why wouldn't Arceus get it? The CT are all aspects of him, so whatever they have, Arceus gets by default.
Secondly, in fairness, using time as an example is not a good comparison since you can't "lack" time by coming before it. In this case however, the argument is that because they came before matter was ever a thing, it means that their existence lacks matter. And if they lack matter, then they'd then get a resistance to matter manipulation for not being made of matter.
that is not the issue, the issue is that due to them being composed of space they would by proxy be composed of matterMaybe the quote refers to their avatars specifically not being matter?
I know what you said, which is why I suggested that maybe the quote speaks about their avatars not being made of matter instead of their true forms (which would be time, space, etc.)that is not the issue, the issue is that due to them being composed of space they would by proxy be composed of matter
I'm neutral to that then, but if you are going down that route you are going to have to deal with the fact that logically this would lead to them getting resistance to so many other things due to them originating in the universeI know what you said, which is why I suggested that maybe the quote speaks about their avatars not being made of matter instead of their true forms (which would be time, space, etc.)
Type 1 AE already covers suchShould True Arceus be resistant to matter manipulation? I mean, Arceus precedes it, in the same way that it precedes souls.
That's it? Seems like an easy addition to me.distortion world sends storm things that fix damage done to space time.
Dialga and Palkia are space time.
Arceus is all of that.
They get imo 8 and stuff
Yeah. Basically, part of the DW's role in the cosmology is to maintain the balance between time and space, countering any sort of imbalance that can threaten it. This includes attacks. Since Dialga and Palkia (and Arceus) in their true forms are time and space, they are reliant on the DW as another layer of protection. Hence, type 8 immortality.That's it? Seems like an easy addition to me.
Surprised this wasn't already implemented on Giratins at least.Yeah. Basically, part of the DW's role in the cosmology is to maintain the balance between time and space, countering any sort of imbalance that can threaten it. This includes attacks. Since Dialga and Palkia (and Arceus) in their true forms are time and space, they are reliant on the DW as another layer of protection. Hence, type 8 immortality.
This also gives true form Giratina power nullification for being able to negate the said imbalances.
Another one of "you see it, but don't actually see it" things until you check it again lol.Surprised this wasn't already implemented on Giratins at least.
You could say that, yeah. Arceus has another source of power null now should this go through.So, since the avatars of Arceus and Giratina have already Immortality (Type 8) and while Arceus itself has Power Nullification, then their True Forms should have Improved Immortality (Type 8) for both Arceus and Giratina, while Improved Power Nullification in the case of Arceus?
I messaged Starter but so far no response from him yet for this.I think we should call at least one staff member who are in the Supporters of the Pokémon verse list to agree with this thread