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Mihoyo wants revenge, and that's why it brought a formidable opponent.
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Kiana's Imaginary shields aren't really used in-character, so it's not really valid for use IMO.
Also, said shields are "11-D" because they protect from attacks with 11-D range, not that they can defend from Tier 1 attacks in general. I constantly have to make this distinction on the Honkai revision server yet some people still don't really get it. Against an opponent that can bypass 3D shields by attacking from a 4D axis of movement, the shields are useful. Otherwise, they're normal forcefields. They'd stop a Toaru teleporter from getting past it, but that's pretty much the extent of it. This is something that applies to all Herrscher-related hax, so unless said type of hax scales its potency via range, then it's not really a smurf.
Kiana's main offensive hax are dura-neg via her sword swings and flames, which can be pretty much omnidirectional since she's immune to her own fire. She also tends to spam black holes, time slow and teleportation, so she'd be pretty damn hard to tag considering this is speed equal.
Edge of Taixuan Eminence isn't on the profile because it's a vague as **** super move and I haven't decided how to translate it into wiki terms. I don't have the time in my day to actually get to working on that until I start work on Fu Hua's profile and it becomes unavoidable. Either way, I've yet to find the supporting scans for the claim that it's an unavoidable attack, so it wouldn't be of any notable help here anyway.
Can someone give a quick summary of Sonic's win-cons? I'm not familiar with his abilities anymore.
Also, said shields are "11-D" because they protect from attacks with 11-D range, not that they can defend from Tier 1 attacks in general. I constantly have to make this distinction on the Honkai revision server yet some people still don't really get it. Against an opponent that can bypass 3D shields by attacking from a 4D axis of movement, the shields are useful. Otherwise, they're normal forcefields. They'd stop a Toaru teleporter from getting past it, but that's pretty much the extent of it. This is something that applies to all Herrscher-related hax, so unless said type of hax scales its potency via range, then it's not really a smurf.
Kiana's main offensive hax are dura-neg via her sword swings and flames, which can be pretty much omnidirectional since she's immune to her own fire. She also tends to spam black holes, time slow and teleportation, so she'd be pretty damn hard to tag considering this is speed equal.
Edge of Taixuan Eminence isn't on the profile because it's a vague as **** super move and I haven't decided how to translate it into wiki terms. I don't have the time in my day to actually get to working on that until I start work on Fu Hua's profile and it becomes unavoidable. Either way, I've yet to find the supporting scans for the claim that it's an unavoidable attack, so it wouldn't be of any notable help here anyway.
Can someone give a quick summary of Sonic's win-cons? I'm not familiar with his abilities anymore.
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He has a 27x ap advantage and spams blitz amps in character (With three of his amps being about a 55x speed increase) that statue those faster than him normally. He typically rams into his opponent with his boost or homes onto their weak spot and barrages them with a series of attacks too fast for them to react to while being evasive. Though he does have several ranged options.
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Kiana can probably deal with the first blitz amp since her Time Fracture is basically the same thing except she slows everyone else down instead of speeding herself up. It similarly statues attacks too fast for her to dodge normally, as can be seen in Meteoric Salvation.
What are Sonic's resistances to telekinesis, gravity and black holes? I doubt he'd be able to resist her time manip even if he did have resistance to it, since time manip is one of the few things that do scale potency via range. Kiana also occasionally BFRs, but it's rarely her first move, so she could be blitzed if Sonic decides to amp himself twice right out the gate.
The same could be said about Kiana though, if she decides to flood every direction with flames, which she does tend to do when she can't hit normally. She could also decide to BFR herself to Imaginary Space and bring Sonic into her pocket dimension, where she'd have the advantage and be more willing to be overtly destructive with her powers.
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Does she have a estimated value for her time slow dialation? If not, I don't think it's safe to claim it closes the gap between her and someone 55x faster. From what I recall, the wiki treats speed differences of over 3x as enough to speed blitz (though I also heard they were gonna try to get a definitive value. So take that with a grain of salt). Let alone a 55x difference.
As for the resistances, others would be better suited to answer. All I know is the Psychokinesis resistance is limited
As for the resistances, others would be better suited to answer. All I know is the Psychokinesis resistance is limited
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I can help with this, but since i completely forgot about this move description, would you mind send me some scans??
Iirc, no define value, but from the feat, it slow to the point of extremely closing to a time stop
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That's the problem. The mentions of it are so few and far-between it's hard to figure out where to find them much less understand what it actually does. The major sources would be the Seven Swords VN and Second Eruption, but the former is incomplete and badly translated, while the latter is hopelessly vague. Hua uses it here and there throughout the game story, but it's hard to pinpoint where its mechanics are actually described.
Also yes, the time slow is potent enough to be basically a time stop, as can be seen here.
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I assume this means Chaos Control? I'm not sure what exactly that does, so I couldn't say. Depending the specific dimension though, Sonic would need 5-D up to 11-D teleportation range to escape. Her Void Authority is also a form of law manip so Sonic would need to resist or bypass that if he doesn't want Kiana to just stack more dimensions to keep him from escaping.
. Following but no Vote yet.
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Sonic blitz here and have a loot of hard haxes, voting for Sonic
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I mean, there's Kiana. The only real difference between her and PE HoTE is that the latter is slightly weaker in AP.
But yes, please keep making matches. For some reason none of the Honkai supporters do, even though there's like, thirty of us and I'm close to the only one actually making profiles.
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First of all: There are thirty Honkai supporters?!?! I swore it was a maximum of 9.
Second: Please keep the good work of making and improving the profiles, I would help, but I really have no idea how, I haven't even finished the main story yet (between chapter 10-12)
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I'm just guessing based on the server numbers. Probably closer to 20. Not that the number matters.
Gotta be clear that I have nothing against you specifically, but you have no idea how much I've heard the "I don't know how to make profiles" excuse over the past 6 months. You'd think someone would've bothered to learn by now, but nope. Just leave it to the guy who did all the revision proposals, all the scaling chains, all the ability indexing, all of the CRT-making, 90% of the scan compiling, and at least 10% of the translating. It's not like I haven't already made 4 of the most complicated profiles, am currently working on Otto, and still have Fu Hua on the back-burner. The only thing I haven't done is make matches.
I am teetering on the edge of nuking the Discord server considering how useless it's been relative to the (lemme check) 16 months it's existed. You'd think that with how much they argue on the server, that something's being done. But nope, all the rabid discussion's worth jack considering none of them actually do anything after all that debate. The general discussion thread's been dead for a month, it's a miracle if a match is made every few weeks, and even when a match is made you'd be lucky to have anyone reply to it.
The instant I decide to quit, the verse is basically dead. "Supporters" my butt.
Lenyo456
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Well, I think the excuse is not repeated for nothing, having to study the entire system in Honkai and knowing how to translate it into wiki terms, it gets worse with the abusive amount of powers and hax, (Like Otto's current profile for example)
I even want to and can help, but I would probably come bother you every 5 minutes asking something stupid like "This is manipulation of what exactly?"
But well, I'll take a look and see what I can do to help you. (because no kidding, I really want to help)
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My vote is still for Sonic
One-Mastor
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Let him die bro, it's okay
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base modern sonic's Low 2-C now anyway so
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I mean even so Kiana still smurfs
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