Megaten Discussion Thread I: Now on iOS

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Personally I'm waiting for SMTV to come out to truely get into SMT(and buy a switch). My only experience is Persona 3, Dx2, and the occasional YouTube walkthrough on SMT IV Apocalypse.

You should check out the Devil Survivor games if you get the chance, they're what got me into SMT and are genuinely some of the best games I've ever played.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

BTW, for games like SMT DeSu, do we assume that stats are game mechanics or do we use them? Since their stats determine what skills they can use.

Stats themselves would probably be considered game mechanics, the skills each character can learn however, wouldn't, iirc everyone but the MCs have a set cap for each stat, just use that to determinate what skills they can learn.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Also, what tier do we think the early game Septentriones (Dubhe and Merak, maybe Phecda as well) would be? They'd have to be 8-C at the very least, right? Because they were going to destroy the towers.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If 8-C is consistent, yes

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Another thing, what would Benetnasch's Pacify Human ability be considered? It nulls any attempt to damage it from humans.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Invulnerability and Power Null

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I have all the Septentriones and Triangulum at Low 2-C due to basically being threats that are consistently portrayed as more dangerous than your average demon, in the case of Alioth the squad needed an exceptionally strong demon to strike it out of the sky with and he was still able to fight afterwards. Since septentriones logically shouldn't be too far apart I feel its fine to scale that to the others as well.

Another thing, what would Benetnasch's Pacify Human ability be considered? It nulls any attempt to damage it from humans.

Invulnerability and Power Null as Yobo said, but i'd also like to note that Alcor states any being that even takes a humanoid form is fair game as far as the ability is concerned, with this being further proven by the fact that he himself can't damage it either.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I think Low 2-C is a bit of a stretch. Dub he is more or less a shit Tier demon without its defenses, so it's likely 8-C with Low 2-C dura at best.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's also resistance to more or less any ability any one of the party uses.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

Even Dubhe would be able to scale imo as it was originally a part of Megrez' body, who itself is decently strong

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's not really a solid reason imo, but okay.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Was Dubhe actually part of Megrez originally? Yeah, the things Megrez spawns look similar, but they act differently and Dubhe is its own unique thing, it wouldn't make much sense for one of the Septentriones to be part of another.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Even if it was, I don't expect us to rate Sonic's chest hair as High 6-A.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Well, if they started running around and fighting people on their own, maybe we would.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Not if they were treated as fodder, vaguely explained, and said to only be a threat after they grew.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

While not quite treated as fodder, I doubt Dubhe is any higher than 8-C in AP, as it should be comparable to early game demons. Low 2-C dura might be a possibility though.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

Was Dubhe actually part of Megrez originally? Yeah, the things Megrez spawns look similar, but they act differently and Dubhe is its own unique thing, it wouldn't make much sense for one of the Septentriones to be part of another.

It was outright stated that Dubhe was just a matured version of Megrez' buds

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Was it? I forget, as I said before, haven't played the game in a while. I thought they speculated that Dubhe might be a grown up Megrez bud, but it was never explicitly stated. IMO it doesn't make much sense for that to be the case.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It was implied, but never explicitly stated.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Anyway, being spikes aren't really indicative of the strength of the being they originate from, unless we're giving Batman 4-B Batarangs via cutting Doomsday's spikes or [insert counteless examples of it in fiction] in the first place.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Besides, I'm fairly certain that the scaling if we did would be very funky

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

I mean, the Megrez buds you fight when fighting Megrez itself are comparable to Megrez itself. If anything, they're stronger than Dubhe, which makes the notion of it being a matured bud seem quite ridiculous and, as you said, makes the scaling very unusual.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean, going by gameplay, I doubt they're comparable, but yeah, very funky scaling is more or less unavoidable if we use that justification.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Renders of Dubhe and Megrez.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Both of Alcor's Septentrione forms

 

[Yobo_Blue]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2991848

Canopus vs LoP match

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, on the subject of LoP, is there any reason Satan (Shin Megami Tensei) can't just point at her considering it bypasses all resistances?

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I have renders of the other septentriones I can post later as well

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

As do I, in fact, the only one I haven't done yet is Benetnasch.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Does everyone already have Polaris?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Huh, could've sworn Polaris already had a render, I'll make one.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Do you need the art book pages?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

If you have them in higher quality than the SMT wiki, then yes.

 

[DMB_1]

The Megami Tensei Wikia doesn't always have the best pictures. Try surfing around the internet a bit to see if you can find any better.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

First form


Second and Third forms

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If you want, I can resize the images

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

That weird bug is happening with your images again, thankfully I know how to fix it now.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Here's 2nd form Polaris, 1st form is gonna be a bit harder.

 

[DMB_1]

^I think that's actually the 3rd form.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Right, it has 3 forms.