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Megaten Discussion Thread I: Now on iOS
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DeSu 2 was one of the only games in which Chaos was actually good, and that's only because Hotsuin just wanted a meritocracy and not outright chaos. So chaos is literally bad unless its not actually chaos ig
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If Yamato is Chaos then what is Alcor? Alcor fits the usual Chaos theme a bit better imo. Yamato is just somewhere in between.
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For me Alcor was just that one guy, I didn't really see him as chaos cause he didn't directly antagonize Ronaldo like Hotsuin did
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He antagonized Polaris though, which fits the theme of Chaos way better, I feel.
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Also, regarding Law, while YHVH seems to be less bad in DeSu, he ends up being just as bad in Overclocked for several reasons, like when he is heavy implied to have set up the whole Cain and Abel thing on purpose, as well as having Remiel prepare God's Thunder to nuke the world.
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I mean, yeah, but the Chaos faction is generally the one trying to topple the being in charge, in this case Polaris and Alcor fits with that.Yobo Blue said:
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Oh shit this talk of DeSu 2 reminds me of how badly the profiles need updates
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They were updated recently.
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Agreed, but nowhere near as bad as they used to be.
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Which ones in particular? Some of them have profiles.
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Isn't that just really potent Power Absorption? They already have that listed, at least Shining One does.
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Our tiering for DeSu 2 makes no sense. Miyako Hotsui in her first key casually kills people above the Four Devas
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Her first key is At least 2-A. What's the issue?
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Yeah, it was 7-B before, which made absolutely no sense.
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Well, Heat, Gravity, Time and Spatial Manipulation respectively. Aside from that, maybe Type 2 Concepts?
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The four prime factors aren't just the concepts of what they are, I personally believe they were portrayed in the story as quite literally governing all things in the Akashic Records even outside their concepts. The notion of attacking canopus when he had them was compared to trying to burn fire with more fire, because the very fact that they existed meant they were governed by the factors.
Considering the fact that even Administrators (who are depicted as inferior to the factors) could affect conceptless voids and all, I would even argue that the factors' effects even extend to nonexistence.
Considering the fact that even Administrators (who are depicted as inferior to the factors) could affect conceptless voids and all, I would even argue that the factors' effects even extend to nonexistence.
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The important things that you missed are that the four prime factors aren't just the four concepts, at least not when put together. Fighting them is difficult because they are everything. The whole reason why Canopus is invulnerable is because "you can't burn fire with fire", but it's in Canopus' case "you can't do anything to everything", and since anything can be countered, something that is everything will always counter you. Considering the context of these statements, this also applies to things such as the void. So, basically, Canopus has resistance to more or less everything in SMT that isn't Observation level, and ignores durability and resistances of others with the Four Prime factors because he encompasses things/concepts like fire and water to, as those things are merely derivative of the Four Prime Factors.
This also applies to everyone who copied it.
This also applies to everyone who copied it.
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That seems to make sense, I haven't played the game in a good while so I didn't remember those statements as my 3DS broke a while ago. That's pretty damn strong.
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Canopus doesn't exist purely as an abstraction though, it has a physical body, it seems to fulfill some criteria for Type 1, but not all of them.
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Type 1 requires lacking a true physical form though, which Canopus does have, as the party doesn't have to destroy the thing he embodies across all of Existence just to get rid of him, just the body.
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