Megaten Discussion Thread I: Now on iOS

[Yobo_Blue]

Let me see if I have scans before you start complaining

Not like everybody and their mother in SMT can't hit abstracts already tho

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

They can, but things in SMT rarely tend to stay dead for good.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's more because of the Axiom

 

[Sera_EX]

YHVH needs a tabber for his MegaTen 2 appearance. Blue Mr. Clean must be known to the world (plus that is the foundation of Hyper YHVH who solos all fiction and metafiction).

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I think the name you're looking four is Papa Smurf.

 

[Sera_EX]

The One True Smurf...

JBW, there's someone at the door.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

I honestly cannot believe that I wasted time doing this, but here you go.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, Abel should have the Devil Survivor tag

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Made a quick draft of a updated Canopus profile, how does it look?

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

I don't have any issues with it, though I don't think the pictures of the Factors in the gallery are necessary anymore.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2013384

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

Type 1 requires lacking a true physical form though, which Canopus does have, as the party doesn't have to destroy the thing he embodies across all of Existence just to get rid of him, just the body.

In DeSu 2 the squad literally stole the factors from Canopus before they even saw him, his broken abstract-ness was gone by the time they first saw him so who knows tbh

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's not Power Absorption. Skill Crack is Power Mimicry.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

Alcor and everyone pretty much described it as "stealing" the factors from him and all tho

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah but the actual mechanics and use of Skill Crack in DeSu and DeSu 2 is closer to power mimicry.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Alternatively, the skill crack they use for the Abstract Existence is Power Absorption and normal Skill Crack is Power Copy.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, I think it's fair to scale the Four Prime Factor to the rest of the DeSu2 cast.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The important things that you missed are that the four prime factors aren't just the four concepts, at least not when put together. Fighting them is difficult because they are everything. The whole reason why Canopus is invulnerable is because "you can't burn fire with fire", but it's in Canopus' case "you can't do anything to everything", and since anything can be countered, something that is everything will always counter you. Considering the context of these statements, this also applies to things such as the void. So, basically, Canopus has resistance to more or less everything in SMT that isn't Observation level, and ignores durability and resistances of others with the Four Prime factors because he encompasses things/concepts like fire and water to, as those things are merely derivative of the Four Prime Factors.

This also applies to everyone who copied it.

Iirc, it means in specific that Canopus blows are always hitting with "everything" that exists in DeSu2, which means all of his powers hit simultaneously more or less. No wonder the dude was unbeatable otherwise.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I always thought it meant that anything he wants gone literally just becomes gone because they're aspects of what he governs and all

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Nah. Basically, the way Angy describes it, it's because you're fighting everything in existence, so if you were fire that would include water so it would get doused, and that each of his attacks has the properties of "the world".

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Hence the "fighting Canopus is the same as fighting the world quote above"

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Either way he definitely has those powers anyway.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

I see, regardless of which interpretation we go with though Canopus has the potential to become the God (Tokyo Babel) of High 2-As and we need to let that potential be realized.

So do u wanna like collab on a CRT?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

How so?

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

In the respect that they have broken passive defensive hax that's so good it makes up for a lack of regen and all

And by collab on a CRT I meant like we'd botg gather scans so that nothing would be missed when it's made

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah. I updated the blog btw, so I think you can decide if that still applies.

I have no issue with that. Both DeSu's need a lot of work here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

2 things

I'm beginning to work on revised SMTeSu2 pages

And

No one would have a issue with me creating a Arcturus page, would they?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

It's probably good you do. Since it makes it easier to understand certain characters' scale like Miyako. Also couldn't The Anguished One possibly considered 2-A at the start since he's fought after Beezlebub?

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

2 things
I'm beginning to work on revised SMTeSu2 pages

And

No one would have a issue with me creating a Arcturus page, would they?

I can assist with Septentriones and Triangulum as well

 

[Starter_Pack]

When are we getting SMT Bayonetta from DX2 on here? Ovo

 

[DMB_1]

When are we getting SMT Bayonetta from DX2 on here? Ovo </div>

I know your comment is a joke, but I'll awser your question anyways:

If like Ultima said in another thread, Dx2 demons aren't real demons (which even if he has yet to post the reasons, I can already see why), then probably not because the game lacks feats.

If Dx2 demons are the real thing, then still, I would have no concrete idea what to scale her to. In this case Dx2 Dante, Nero and V would be 2-A though.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Funnily enough, the Bayonetta event may actually confirm them to be real, as both she and Rodin stated that the special field which the demons get summoned into resembles Purgatorio, which is how they're able to interact with each other.

Also, the Angel species of demons were relentless against them during that event, for obvious reasons. Not related, but I thought it was fun.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

We've had Bayonetta

We've had Dante

Its only a matter of time before we get doomguy

 

[DMB_1]

I'm surprised that Sega hasn't made a Jack Frost with a Sonic the Hedgehog outfit yet.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

What we need is a composite Japan civilization page

 

[Yobo_Blue]

for SMT

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The fact that we don't have Godslayer Sword listed for Flynn is a crime

 

[Dziga]

I can feel YHVH shaking from here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

BTW, for games like SMT DeSu, do we assume that stats are game mechanics or do we use them? Since their stats determine what skills they can use.

 

[HST_Master]

Personally I'm waiting for SMTV to come out to truly get into SMT(and buy a switch). My only experience is Persona 3, Dx2, and the occasional YouTube walkthrough on SMT IV Apocalypse.

EDIT: Also I'm 90% Sure P5S is just the periodical Licensed Dynasty Warriors game.