Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

[Executor_N0]

I would say that by their very nature, their experiences in the otherworld are simplified expressions of something happening beyond their very reality, but that takes shape using their experiences from the physical reality. So even though anything that happens there is by all intents and proposes beyond the measure of physical reality, it can be translated into examples of physical reality.

That is to say, transcendence over physical reality can still be translated into physical reality, or even is needed to be, since it's all we have as a frame of reference, so transcendence is only shown by its conceptual difference with the lower world, and not by anything normally depicted in the higher world.

Such an idea isn't anything new, even in actual metaphysics like in Proclus' Metaphysical Elements there's this notion that a transcendental infinite is only infinite to those below it, but can be seen and measured as finite by those on a similar scale or above.

That is to say, infinite and transcendence are local phenomena that describe things on different levels of existence and can be seen as not infinite or transcendent if you are on the same level. (And of course, the notion of a metaphysical realm beyond time and space that looks and has space-time descriptions is often very common in fiction, as they need to be translated into something that needs to look spatiotemporal even to have a story, so often beyond space-time translation into space-time isn't unusual).

 

[Hypertornado099]

I wanted to ask before I posted it but essentually this dialog implies Aigis and persona users aren’t Light speed.

And I just want help thinking of rebuttals to it. Since well they are.

Proof that their travel speed isn't light speed

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I wanted to ask before I posted it but essentually this dialog implies Aigis and persona users aren’t Light speed.

And I just want help thinking of rebuttals to it. Since well they are.

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing against it because travel speed is an entirely different stat than combat/reaction speed, so whether or not they can travel above the speed of Light is a nonissue.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing against it because travel speed is an entirely different stat than combat/reaction speed, so whether or not they can travel above the speed of Light is a nonissue.

Yeah fair but I felt like some people would use it.

Granted my idea would have been to point at the bare minimum 3 FTL feats (Plus the immesurable ones) in the persona Series to show how the one off statement just isn’t backed and is contradicted more times then not.

 

[Executor_N0]

I would say it is actually strange to claim a difference in travel, combat, and reaction speed when the reason for transcendence is the state of existence.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I would say it is actually strange to claim a difference in travel, combat, and reaction speed when the reason for transcendence is the state of existence.

Aren't they still "normal" 3 dimensional beings even in the Dark Hour though?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Yeah, most humans, or least their bodies, are ontologically 3D, even when their physicals scale to transcendent beings, so the distinction between travel and combat speed is still fine, at least in the context of refuting that one particular statement as an anti-feat. I don't really see the use in focusing on it at all because of that.