Meepo vs Cinder Fall

[DMUA]

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We were so close to not needing speed equal, but we do, so that

Otherwise Standard Battle Assumptions

Meepo: 8 (LephyrTheRevanchist, Mr_Bambu, Drite77, DMUA, Shmooply, Scottycj256, Harith0cell, Tllmbrg)

Cinder Fall:

Inconclusive:

 

[Spinoirr]

Me when RWBY MU

Anyways what is Cinder's foe frist move and what can they do against a flying range spaming person who will take advantage of literally anything just to win

 

[DMUA]

"who will take advantage of literally anything just to win"

One of the most memorable speeches in the entire show is about how Cinder is way more ambition than actual ruthless competence, so I have to point out that this is a bit deceptive

I'd comment more but it's my thread so I'd like others to open first and foremost on Meepo's side

 

[Armorchompy]

Meepo canonically leads by casting Haste (doubles speed for one minute, he has 9 casts per day) and Wraithstrike (attacks gain a phasing property, ignoring armor and probably forcefields), then flies around the enemy using ranged attacks. If that doesn't work he'll transform into a Fleshraker (fangs and tail deliver venom, very powerful given dnd hax scaling though probably not lethal in just one dosage) and tries to pounce, which admittedly might not be very useful given the LS gap. Note that he can still cast spells while transformed. In melee combat he uses breath attacks and melee. If necessary, Meepo will flee from a fight.

Other things of note: Even without Wraithstrike Magic Missile phases through barriers (and therefore Aura), he has forcefields of his own, healing potions, he is completely immune to energy attacks, has a real life shotgun which isn't a wincon but it is funny, he's naturally resistant to all damage that isn't magic or coming from a silver weapon and he resists basically everything via being a dnd character

 

[Mr. Bambu]

This is one of the best things to happen to D&D lately, I pray for more Sweepo.

Armor gave a great synopsis anyways- Meepo is explicitly going to amp his speed and fight a ranged fight given the opportunity, doing everything in his power to stay alive and otherwise just pelting the poor sod with any ranged attack he can. When he's out of juice, he will retreat to live another day- although he isn't a coward, and will likely return before the 24 hours are up.

 

[Drite77]

Given how Haste works in D&D, would that even affect Meepo's reaction time? If it affects, wouldn't that mean Meepo would have about 5 times of an advantage when it comes to speed? (4c vs 22c)

 

[Drite77]

This is one of the best things to happen to D&D lately, I pray for more Sweepo.

Armor gave a great synopsis anyways- Meepo is explicitly going to amp his speed and fight a ranged fight given the opportunity, doing everything in his power to stay alive and otherwise just pelting the poor sod with any ranged attack he can. When he's out of juice, he will retreat to live another day- although he isn't a coward, and will likely return before the 24 hours are up.

We all pray for Sweepo

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Given how Haste works in D&D, would that even affect Meepo's reaction time? If it affects, wouldn't that mean Meepo would have about 5 times of an advantage when it comes to speed? (4c vs 22c)

Probably, yes, Haste should apply to reactions and combat speed.

 

[DMUA]

Given how Haste works in D&D, would that even affect Meepo's reaction time? If it affects, wouldn't that mean Meepo would have about 5 times of an advantage when it comes to speed? (4c vs 22c)

Speed is equal exactly because this would just result in Cinder getting utterly eviscerated by magic missiles with no ability to really retaliate (since with a 5x speed gap at a range, dodging is an outright breeze to pull off)

It's still a 2x edge under the current conditions but it's far more manageable

 

[Spinoirr]

"who will take advantage of literally anything just to win"

One of the most memorable speeches in the entire show is about how Cinder is way more ambition than actual ruthless competence, so I have to point out that this is a bit deceptive

I'd comment more but it's my thread so I'd like others to open first and foremost on Meepo's side

Nah she literally took advange of the fact Penny wasn't used to her human body, kept going after her friends to detract her and make her focus on protecting them and then detracted her by blocking off her from her freinds with a wall of fire to make her detracted again for her freinds safety to stab her with her claw arm

Literally the only reason it didn't work is because Penny made jaune game end herself while Cinder was busy beating down Weiss

 

[Drite77]

Speed is equal exactly because this would just result in Cinder getting utterly eviscerated by magic missiles with no ability to really retaliate (since with a 5x speed gap at a range, dodging is an outright breeze to pull off)

It's still a 2x edge under the current conditions but it's far more manageable

Didn't read all of the thing there, ma bad

 

[DMUA]

Nah she literally took advantage of the fact Penny wasn't used to her human body, kept going after her friends to detract her and make her focus on protecting them and then detracted her by blocking off her from her friends with a wall of fire to make her detracted again for her friends safety to stab her with her claw arm

Literally the only reason it didn't work is because Penny made jaune game end herself while Cinder was busy beating down Weiss

And all of this was only possible due to circumstances Cinder herself didn't even really cause, Watts was the one that put the virus in Penny, the tight space in terms of the fight was a result of RWBY using the relic for evacuation, then from there it's just... Ruthlessly attacking a group of enemies in a chaotic space. It's more an anti-feat if anything, when you add the caveat that she did that after Watts grilled her for her decision making because everything she did prior to that point was even less efficient.

Like, it happens, but it's deceptive to act like it's a huge advantage, especially when Meepo does have a genuinely good gameplan he can employ

 

[Spinoirr]

Can this man fly, or at the very least shoot projectiles?

Because unless he gets up close, Cinder can and will fly and range spam as shown in the vol 8 final episodes, she stopped rushing in and instead chose the much safer option of range spamming the hell of her foes

 

[Spinoirr]

And all of this was only possible due to circumstances Cinder herself didn't even really cause, Watts was the one that put the virus in Penny

Penny was a human, she didn't have the virus at all in that fight

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Can this man fly, or at the very least shoot projectiles?

Because unless he gets up close, Cinder can and will fly and range spam as shown in the vol 8 final episodes, she stopped rushing in and instead chose the much safer option of range spamming the hell of her foes

we've literally been talking about the range spam and his art for this key is sporting massive wings

 

[DMUA]

Can this man fly, or at the very least shoot projectiles?

Yes to both, Armor has observed this earlier in the thread

Because unless he gets up close, Cinder can and will fly and range spam as shown in the vol 8 final episodes, she stopped rushing in and instead chose the much safer option of range spamming the hell of her foes

The exact second thing she does in that video you posted is her making a sword and engaging in melee.

 

[Armorchompy]

Can this man fly, or at the very least shoot projectiles?

Because unless he gets up close, Cinder can and will fly and range spam as shown in the vol 8 final episodes, she stopped rushing in and instead chose the much safer option of range spamming the hell of her foes

I went into his tactics, that's basically all he does too

 

[DMUA]

Penny was a human, she didn't have the virus at all in that fight

Exactly, Penny had a human body because they needed to ditch the virus, which was Watts' strategy. It's not a show of Cinder's competence.

 

[Spinoirr]

The exact second thing she does in that video you posted is her making a sword and engaging in melee.

Then she flies up and starts to range spams those who can't fly

 

[Armorchompy]

That isn't particularly relevant because Meepo flies and range spams himself

 

[Drite77]

Can this man fly, or at the very least shoot projectiles?

Because unless he gets up close, Cinder can and will fly and range spam as shown in the vol 8 final episodes, she stopped rushing in and instead chose the much safer option of range spamming the hell of her foes

He can also teleport

 

[Spinoirr]

That isn't particularly relevant because Meepo flies and range spams himself

Oh so it's just a battle of range spam lol

 

[Armorchompy]

probably, if she successfully takes the fight to closer quarters he may transform and do the same, he's very pragmatic and adaptable

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

has a real life shotgun which isn't a wincon but it is funny

His shotgun is also magical and can literally create infinite ammunition (though limited per day)

 

[Armorchompy]

His shotgun is also magical and can literally create infinite ammunition (though limited per day)

True, it does do that. He also presumably got it from Fidel Castro

 

[Spinoirr]

His shotgun is also magical and can literally create infinite ammunition (though limited per day)

Also I kinda going to make a Aura crt that auras max durability cap is 300× at least, but he can still do chip damage to her, although she will make fire to burn his attacks

 

[Drite77]

Also I kinda going to make a Aura crt that auras max durability cap is 300× at least, but he can still do chip damage to her, although she will make fire to burn his attacks

Didn't Armor said Wraith Strike allows him to bypass that? '-'

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

True, it does do that. He also presumably got it from Fidel Castro

Le funnis

 

[Spinoirr]

Didn't Armor said Wraith Strike allows him to bypass that? '-'

I mean it's a manifestation of her soul turned into a forcefield (basically a forcefield of life energy)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I mean it's a manifestation of her soul turned into a forcefield (basically a forcefield of life energy)

Wraith Strike can bypass Mage Armor, which is a forcefield that can stop intangible attacks.

 

[Drite77]

I mean it's a manifestation of her soul turned into a forcefield (basically a forcefield of life energy)

Wraith Strike mechanically bypass something similar to that I guess, since it bypass Magical Armor and stuff '-'

 

[Drite77]

Didn't Armor said Wraith Strike allows him to bypass that? '-'

Lol, he typed "Wraith Strike" instead of "Wraithstrike"

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Lol, he typed "Wraith Strike" instead of "Wraithstrike"

I hate their arbitrary nomenclature, I do what I want

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Didn't Armor said Wraith Strike allows him to bypass that? '-'

Wraithstrike makes weapon attacks go through traditional barriers, including those that normally hamper incorporeal enemies (mechanically it makes all weapon attacks touch attacks).

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Wraithstrike makes weapon attacks go through traditional barriers, including those that normally hamper incorporeal enemies (mechanically it makes all weapon attacks touch attacks).

my explanation is better hah

 

[Drite77]

I hate their arbitrary nomenclature, I do what I want

I replied to myself but that's fair

 

[Drite77]

Wraithstrike makes weapon attacks go through traditional barriers, including those that normally hamper incorporeal enemies (mechanically it makes all weapon attacks touch attacks).

I checked, ye. Neat spell

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I replied to myself but that's fair

Because I made the same mistake, no worries

 

[Spinoirr]

Still her fire that can burn through Pyrrha's aura (can make characters take the heat of lava and lightning) to heat up her weapon will help burn attacks

 

[Drite77]

Still her fire that can burn through Pyrrha's aura (can make characters take the heat of lava and lightning) to heat up her weapon will help burn attacks

I suppose Meepo can try to use Shield on those '-'