MCU Tier 6 Upgrades?

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

We don't choose the version of calculations we think is the most consistent, we choose the more accurate one scientifically and the neutron star feat has been discussed many times with the older calcs being proven inaccurate.

But the one you say is right results in small country level before adjusted for the book.

This
we take actual fact over what serves a narrative best

It has been done plenty of times in other verses and CRT's

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

But the one you say is right results in small country level before adjusted for the book.

It has been done plenty of times in other verses and CRT's

Two wrongs don't make a right or whatever the saying is.

 

[Hellbeast]

It has been done plenty of times in other verses and CRT's

It shouldn't then; we need to work with what's actually correct and not just what fits a given narrative we push

Two wrongs don't make a right or whatever the saying is.

That is the saying

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

It shouldn't then; we need to work with what's actually correct and not just what fits a given narrative we push

That is the saying

All right then. What about captain marvel ramming through a kree ballistic missile, which have been calced at low 6-B?

 

[Dalesean027]

All right then. What about captain marvel ramming through a kree ballistic missile, which have been calced at low 6-B?

Pretty sure that was explained on the first page by I think Qawsedf or a calc member

 

[Hellbeast]

Plus wasn't Low 6-B with the old curvature scaling

 

[KLOL506]

But the one you say is right results in small country level before adjusted for the book.

Also no. Refer to Qawsedf's statement about neutron stars being that hot only when they are pretty young. Nidavellir's star... is not young. It's old. It was sealed shut until Thor arrived at the scene.

It has been done plenty of times in other verses and CRT's

And WoG and manuals have also been used to upgrade and downgrade plenty of other verses if the narrative sticks.

 

[KLOL506]

Plus wasn't Low 6-B with the old curvature scaling

Nope, it was with my new one as well. Only the temperature value from the manual knocked it down to 7-B.

 

[Hellbeast]

I mean the Kree missiles

 

[KLOL506]

I mean the Kree missiles

Oh, that? Yeah, that needs to be fixed ASAP.

 

[Hellbeast]

Could be consistent with the 6-C results

 

[KLOL506]

This is what Donttalk said:

"I mean, on the stuff exploding directly into ones face thing I can't say anything helpful and not really put anything helpful on the page either.
That is a decision so ancient that even I barely remember.
Guess it goes in the same vein of us not really subtracting environmental damage from the power of an attack when we determine durability and that it is not too far of the actual result anyways. Basically another simplification for scaling.

As for the meteor thing... it kinda depends IMO.
If the meteor breaks apart on impacting the character and the parts that don't hit the character aren't slowed then yes.
If the meteor hits the character and its KE is mostly cancelled out on impact then the entire meteor should scale on the other hand.

In a case where the meteor stays intact on impact and the KE doesn't visibly get cancelled out things get difficult. In that case, the surface area isn't really what matters IMO. The impact energy isn't really "missing" the character, which is the idea we usually use for inverse-square rulings. Like, in an idealized scenario where the character stands on an indestructible floor it would need to take 100% of the impact, as the parts of the meteor that don't hit the character can't fly past it without the meteor breaking apart.
With a destructible floor, things get more difficult. The impact would press the character into the earth and then the impact is split between it and the earth that gets hit. If this were real-life physics I would say calculate the energy to cause the displayed amount of destruction to the floor, subtract it from the meteors KE and the result is the difference that the character being there made. However, in fiction, we have the trouble with the AoE not reflecting power.
So that makes that difficult. Personally, I would say that by The Rules of Fiction™ the character is probably comparable to the attack's power. Similar to how we would scale a character that gets hit by an energy beam and flung out of its path without absorbing 100% of the beam to the attackers AP. Maybe err on the side of caution and downscale a character by a tier if the AP was close to baseline.
That's my take at least."

Take that if it is suitable for usable calculations

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan Based on this, what do you think the meteor will thus yield?

 

[KLOL506]

Could be consistent with the 6-C results

Hmmmmmm, any notable character tanking it in the face or something? Or a ship shrugging it off and someone lolnoping the ship?

 

[Hellbeast]

Carol flies right through them in her solo film

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Carol flies right through them in her solo film

Sweet. Can I ask which movie the Kree feat happens in? Both the booms and Carol flying through them?

 

[Dalesean027]

Sweet. Can I ask which movie the Kree feat happens in? Both the booms and Carol flying through them?

1:05

If this us what's being talked about

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

They’re both in the same movie.

 

[KLOL506]

1:05

If this us what's being talked about

Hmmmmm, the explosion's already occured here, Carol only flies through the dissipated boom.

Like, is there any ship that tanks said missiles that Carol literally punches holes through or something?

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

I mean, it looks like some of them were still exploding while she was flying through it.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Damn, that sucks was really relying on that one. On that note has anyone done an updated calc on Iron Man's meteor impact?

 

[KLOL506]

I mean, it looks like some of them were still exploding while she was flying through it.

Could be a fair point.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So Tesseract feat is now invalid 100%?

 

[Dalesean027]

So Tesseract feat is now invalid 100%?

Considering we now have the compound of it I'd say we can get a somewhat kore accurate calc but I'd leave that to the calc members to fully decide

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Damn, that sucks was really relying on that one. On that note has anyone done an updated calc on Iron Man's meteor impact?

Wich one, the one in IW?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So Tesseract feat is now invalid 100%?

Best to let the calc members decide on this one

 

[Qawsedf234]

So Tesseract feat is now invalid 100

I using 120 million Kelvin as a way to scale its durability to 6-A is invalid. But actually crushing it is useable.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Any idea of the crushing result?

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

I’ll just post this here. based on the commons it looks like it was denied because it was an outlier, although even if it doesn’t have problems it probably still is, but **** it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm saying we should use the Low 6-B version of the calc because it fits better with his shown feats

We can't just do that as that'd be blatantly dishonest.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

You know the whole power stone "bigger the target, bigger the power output" is pretty weird when you consider the fact that tony could tank a blasts from the stone yet carol got slumped with one hit

 

[RanaProGamer]

Not on topic, but I found it weird that the Power Stone has Sub-Rel speed for being able to cross the surface of the planet, but we don't scale it to anyone who reacted to it, like Iron Man blocking it after it got fired. Sure, the bigger the target, the higher the output makes sense for the AP since it outright stated, but not for speed.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

That's because the speed only goes for stuff like planets.

"up to Sub-Relativistic against celestial bodies via the Power Stone"

Edit: I have this dumb tendency to not read through the whole comment, ignore this.

 

[Kilgorethecouch]

This is something said by Qawsedf234 regarding it. "The power stone reacts to the size of the target and generates a reaction based on that. Compare how long it took to blow up the Collector's base to it blowing up the planet or Thanos cracking the moon. It also varies."

 

[Qawsedf234]

looks like it was denied because it was an outlier, although even if it doesn’t have problems it probably still is, but **** it.

I mean its not really an outlier as much as it just doesn't work contextually. Thanos cracking the moon was only Tier 6 and the woman being completely engulfed by the stone would struggle to get past 9-A.

The result is not geometric, but either random or logarithmic.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Wich one, the one in IW?

Yeah that one I feel it could be potentially used to yield higher results or at least higher into 6-C. Here's the KE when plugged into a impact calculator. https://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactE...s=1&theta=90&wdepth=&wdepthUnits=1&tdens=2500
20 gigatons not to bad for an attack he survived with no visible damage, then again I'm sure I am not accounting for something I'm no calc analyst.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'm pretty sure that was rejected because the damage didn't reflect the realistic Kinetic Energy

 

[KLOL506]

I'm pretty sure that was rejected because the damage didn't reflect the realistic Kinetic Energy

Not exactly true.

DontTalk pretty much stated the actual energy tanked would be KE of meteor - Destruction caused by meteor.

But wasn't the calculated speed quite different from what I'm seeing in that impact calculator?

 

[KLOL506]

That's because the speed only goes for stuff like planets.

"up to Sub-Relativistic against celestial bodies via the Power Stone"

Edit: I have this dumb tendency to not read through the whole comment, ignore this.

LITERALLY.

No one.

Scales to this.

In either travel speed, combat speed or reactions.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Not exactly true.

DontTalk pretty much stated the actual energy tanked would be KE of meteor - Destruction caused by meteor.

But wasn't the calculated speed quite different from what I'm seeing in that impact calculator?

I just plugged in the calculated speed of the meteor which was just under sub-rel It was like 2975 and i rounded to 3000; also this is converted to kilometers per second