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@ThanatosX made the original draft. I made a few changes and additions
In this revision, we will talk about all the feats that scales far above the current statistics of the Top Tiers of the MCU to see if all of them can still be considered outliers or not.
Previously, the older feats that we will talk about in this revision were deemed as outliers and as such unusable. However, I think that with the new feats and all of the new informations that were discovered or came out recently the probability of them not being outliers are much higher than before.
Why 6-C is an extreme lowball
At the moment, the Top Tier characters scales to Thanos tanking the snap, which according to a screen shown by Rocket it's around 5.836 gigatons.
However, the number that represented the energy released by the Snap was still rising when Rocket changed the screen, meaning that in reality the tons released are much higher than what was shown in that picture.
On top of this, the numbers are inconsistent with the claim of Rocket that no one ever saw such an high energetic output, and the figure doesn’t even take into account the radiations released by the Snap itself, which is what might have actually harmed Thanos more than the energy released.
It also doesn’t make sense under a narrative point of view. Ikaris released 41.5 gigatons (recalced at 1222.7193833652008834 gigatons) just by flying, a number far higher than the 5.836 which would make Ikaris himself stronger than the Snap, something that wouldn’t make sense even in the story.
For all this reasons, while the 5.836 is a good indication as a minimum AP for the Top Tier characters, it shouldn’t be treated as the only thing that they scales to.
Now let’s look at the feats superior to the current 6-C rating, explaining briefly to who they scale and why they shouldn’t be treated as outliers.
Thanos destroys the Tesseract
This feat is quite simple: Thanos casually destroy the Tesseract, which according to the Mid-End of this calculation would be equal to 208 Teratons. Why this scales to Thanos is quite obvious since he directly performed the feat, and those that are able to match him would be of the same rating.
Some people did have issues with the calc, though, and it was requested multiple times for the feat to be recalculated
The Casket of Ancient Winters brings a new Ice Age
This calculation is for the Casket of Ancient Winters, which is able to bring the entire Earth into a new Ice Age, a feat that was calculated as 49.2 Teratons and is also supported by a statement from Loki in the 3rd episode of What If (timestamp 0:57). Despite this, Hela considered this object to be extremely weak, meaning that her power is far superior than it.
For this reason, she should scale massively above it.
Captain Marvel impacts against Xandar’s core
This feat was performed by the Captain Marvel from a different timeline, but I will explain later why it should be taken into consideration as a supporting evidence for the new rating.
In the 8th episode of “What if…?” Captain Marvel drags Infinity Ultron to the core of Xandar, causing a massive impact against it that was calculated as around 17 Teratons.
While this feat is done by a character from a different timeline, the Nexus Event that separated this timeline from the original one was Ultron successfully transferring himself inside the body of Vision, which happened during the events of Avengers: Age of Ultron. Immediately after winning, Infinity Ultron goes into space and start to exterminate all the life in the Universe, until he meets Captain Marvel that does the feat mentioned.
Since the Captain Marvel that appeared in that episode is identical to the one that we know up until that point and that the separation happened shortly before the performed feat, there is no reason to assume that this version of the character is thousands of times stronger than the original one.
For this reasons, this feat should be considered a supporting feat, which is consistent to the ratings proposed.
Ikaris Disperses Clouds
During the Eternals movie, Ikaris fly away from Earth to go throw himself into the Sun. While doing so, he pushes away a huge amount of clouds just by flying which was equal to 1222.7193833652008834 gigatons, the value he scales to. The feat was performed ridiculously casually, so Ikaris himself scales much higher than that.
Thena, another character from that movie, was able to fight against him equally, which would make her scale to him too. From WoG, a producer of the MCU, Captain Marvel would give many troubles to Thena, saying that it would be tough to know who would win. This means that Captain Marvel herself should scale to this feat in some capacity.
Also, as mentioned earlier, the power surge of Thanos' Snap should be narratively be far higher than this value.
Bifrost AP
In this calculation the destruction of Jotunheim caused by the Bifrost was calculated as 178.56 teratons (High 6-B), extremely consistent with the rating proposed in this revision.
However, the size of Jotunheim in the calculation was assumed to be comparable to Europa, which unfortunately at the moment doesn’t have supporting evidences. Many users remember of an interview in which the size of Jotunheim was compared to Europa, but at the moment no one was able to find it.
But this calculation can still be used indicatively, considering that the size of Europa should be an extreme lowball since usually the size of the Earth is usually assumed for planets of unknown size. This calculation, while still indicative, can be used to support the proposed ratings, considering that according to this scan the Bifrost is powered by Odin, which would make him scale to its destructive powers.
There is also the fact that the bridge should be able to contain the energy of the Bifrost and as such should be as durable as its AP, but Awakened Thor was able to destroy it with a single hit.
Again, all of this is only indicative, but I think it’s still an interesting point that should be taken into consideration when deciding the consistency of the rating.
Abilisk creates a giant storm
This is another supporting feat to further prove the consistency of the rating and at the same time the inconsistency of the value given to the Snap.
In the beginning of the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 we can see a view of Sovereign, where a giant storm have covered part of the planet. This storm was caused by the Abilisk that was about to attack the planet, which is proven when after his death the storm disappear. The storm was calculated to be around 63.17 teratons (6-B+) and 111.57 gigatons (High 6-C).
Obviously the Abilisk himself doesn't scale and it would be considered only Environmental Destruction, however it’s interesting feat because Rocket clearly saw the storm that the creature created (he was at the center of it) and yet he still said without the shadow of a doubt that the Snap was the highest energetic output ever saw.
This means that the Snap itself is extremely higher than the storm created by the Abilisk and the value on screen would have risen far higher than it was shown, which is once again consistent, which would be far higher than the 6-B+ end of the calculation.
Thanos destroys Titan's moon
This is one I pointed out in the draft thread. Via Rocket's statement, the power surge of Thanos' Snap should scale far above this feat, which was calculated at 2.44 petatons (6-A), especially since the Gauntlet could channel this level of power without damage, whereas the power surge damaged Thanos and the Gauntlet. Narratively, the power surge should be far above this value too.
This is the highest that the current 6-C characters can scale to in this CRT.
Nukes
The nuclear bombs sent by Ultron create explosions seen from space, which are calculated to be 68.5 Gigatons (6-C+) or 120.9 Gigatons (High 6-C). While this is an alternate timeline, the comments on the original calc state that the Nexus Events that separate the timelines don't affect Earth's nukes and suggest scaling Captain Marvel to 10x this value by Maria Hill's statement. On top of that, it wouldn't make sense how nuclear bombs on Earth have a higher output than the power surge of the Snap.
Other supporting feats without a calculation
If the feats listed above aren’t enough to be considered consistent, then there are a couple more that are worth mentioning to further prove that those feats aren’t the exception:
- Thor shakes Jotunheim with one of his attacks and is called a “planet shaker” by a writer of the MCU. I can see this being interpreted as flowery language, but I think it's still an interesting point considering that according to our standards for global earthquakes by lowballing the feat with lower magnitudes it would still be impressive and consistent with the High 6-B rating.
- The SHIELD needed nukes amped by the Tesseract to fight Thor, but even 0.1 kilotons could destroy Eastern United States, meaning that Thor is far stronger than that.
- In a canon storybook, Captain Marvel was capable of tanking and surviving a cannon that is able to destabilise the core of a planet, which even by lowballing it should be at the very least Country level or Large Country level, consistent with the rating.
Conclusions
The proposal here is that all of the characters that scales to Thanos’ 6-C rating should be to 6-B/High 6-B or even 6-A because the rating is much more consistent than it was previously believed. The reasons here summarised:
- Thanos casually crushes the Tesseract (High 6-B [requested for recalculation])
- Hela consider the Casket weak (>>> 6-B)
- Captain Marvel impacts against the Xandar’s core (6-B, feat performed by the version of a different timeline identical to the original one up until that point);
- Ikaris casually parts the clouds (>>>>> Low 6-B, indirectly scales to Captain Marvel for WoG, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Bifrost destroys Jotunheim (High 6-B, feat lowballed and used only indicatively)
- The Abilisk creating a storm (between High 6-C and 6-B+, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Thanos destroys Titan's moon (6-A, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Nuclear Explosions (6-C+ or High 6-C, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Multiple supporting statements or feats that further evidences that the current rating is an extreme lowball.
Some of these may actually affect the current 7-A characters, but we can probably discuss that another time
This changes were discussed a lot with many supporters of the verse, which I thank for the help in making this revision.
In this revision, we will talk about all the feats that scales far above the current statistics of the Top Tiers of the MCU to see if all of them can still be considered outliers or not.
Previously, the older feats that we will talk about in this revision were deemed as outliers and as such unusable. However, I think that with the new feats and all of the new informations that were discovered or came out recently the probability of them not being outliers are much higher than before.
Why 6-C is an extreme lowball
At the moment, the Top Tier characters scales to Thanos tanking the snap, which according to a screen shown by Rocket it's around 5.836 gigatons.
However, the number that represented the energy released by the Snap was still rising when Rocket changed the screen, meaning that in reality the tons released are much higher than what was shown in that picture.
On top of this, the numbers are inconsistent with the claim of Rocket that no one ever saw such an high energetic output, and the figure doesn’t even take into account the radiations released by the Snap itself, which is what might have actually harmed Thanos more than the energy released.
It also doesn’t make sense under a narrative point of view. Ikaris released 41.5 gigatons (recalced at 1222.7193833652008834 gigatons) just by flying, a number far higher than the 5.836 which would make Ikaris himself stronger than the Snap, something that wouldn’t make sense even in the story.
For all this reasons, while the 5.836 is a good indication as a minimum AP for the Top Tier characters, it shouldn’t be treated as the only thing that they scales to.
Now let’s look at the feats superior to the current 6-C rating, explaining briefly to who they scale and why they shouldn’t be treated as outliers.
Thanos destroys the Tesseract
This feat is quite simple: Thanos casually destroy the Tesseract, which according to the Mid-End of this calculation would be equal to 208 Teratons. Why this scales to Thanos is quite obvious since he directly performed the feat, and those that are able to match him would be of the same rating.
Some people did have issues with the calc, though, and it was requested multiple times for the feat to be recalculated
The Casket of Ancient Winters brings a new Ice Age
This calculation is for the Casket of Ancient Winters, which is able to bring the entire Earth into a new Ice Age, a feat that was calculated as 49.2 Teratons and is also supported by a statement from Loki in the 3rd episode of What If (timestamp 0:57). Despite this, Hela considered this object to be extremely weak, meaning that her power is far superior than it.
For this reason, she should scale massively above it.
Captain Marvel impacts against Xandar’s core
This feat was performed by the Captain Marvel from a different timeline, but I will explain later why it should be taken into consideration as a supporting evidence for the new rating.
In the 8th episode of “What if…?” Captain Marvel drags Infinity Ultron to the core of Xandar, causing a massive impact against it that was calculated as around 17 Teratons.
While this feat is done by a character from a different timeline, the Nexus Event that separated this timeline from the original one was Ultron successfully transferring himself inside the body of Vision, which happened during the events of Avengers: Age of Ultron. Immediately after winning, Infinity Ultron goes into space and start to exterminate all the life in the Universe, until he meets Captain Marvel that does the feat mentioned.
Since the Captain Marvel that appeared in that episode is identical to the one that we know up until that point and that the separation happened shortly before the performed feat, there is no reason to assume that this version of the character is thousands of times stronger than the original one.
For this reasons, this feat should be considered a supporting feat, which is consistent to the ratings proposed.
Ikaris Disperses Clouds
During the Eternals movie, Ikaris fly away from Earth to go throw himself into the Sun. While doing so, he pushes away a huge amount of clouds just by flying which was equal to 1222.7193833652008834 gigatons, the value he scales to. The feat was performed ridiculously casually, so Ikaris himself scales much higher than that.
Thena, another character from that movie, was able to fight against him equally, which would make her scale to him too. From WoG, a producer of the MCU, Captain Marvel would give many troubles to Thena, saying that it would be tough to know who would win. This means that Captain Marvel herself should scale to this feat in some capacity.
Also, as mentioned earlier, the power surge of Thanos' Snap should be narratively be far higher than this value.
Bifrost AP
In this calculation the destruction of Jotunheim caused by the Bifrost was calculated as 178.56 teratons (High 6-B), extremely consistent with the rating proposed in this revision.
However, the size of Jotunheim in the calculation was assumed to be comparable to Europa, which unfortunately at the moment doesn’t have supporting evidences. Many users remember of an interview in which the size of Jotunheim was compared to Europa, but at the moment no one was able to find it.
But this calculation can still be used indicatively, considering that the size of Europa should be an extreme lowball since usually the size of the Earth is usually assumed for planets of unknown size. This calculation, while still indicative, can be used to support the proposed ratings, considering that according to this scan the Bifrost is powered by Odin, which would make him scale to its destructive powers.
There is also the fact that the bridge should be able to contain the energy of the Bifrost and as such should be as durable as its AP, but Awakened Thor was able to destroy it with a single hit.
Again, all of this is only indicative, but I think it’s still an interesting point that should be taken into consideration when deciding the consistency of the rating.
Abilisk creates a giant storm
This is another supporting feat to further prove the consistency of the rating and at the same time the inconsistency of the value given to the Snap.
In the beginning of the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 we can see a view of Sovereign, where a giant storm have covered part of the planet. This storm was caused by the Abilisk that was about to attack the planet, which is proven when after his death the storm disappear. The storm was calculated to be around 63.17 teratons (6-B+) and 111.57 gigatons (High 6-C).
Obviously the Abilisk himself doesn't scale and it would be considered only Environmental Destruction, however it’s interesting feat because Rocket clearly saw the storm that the creature created (he was at the center of it) and yet he still said without the shadow of a doubt that the Snap was the highest energetic output ever saw.
This means that the Snap itself is extremely higher than the storm created by the Abilisk and the value on screen would have risen far higher than it was shown, which is once again consistent, which would be far higher than the 6-B+ end of the calculation.
Thanos destroys Titan's moon
This is one I pointed out in the draft thread. Via Rocket's statement, the power surge of Thanos' Snap should scale far above this feat, which was calculated at 2.44 petatons (6-A), especially since the Gauntlet could channel this level of power without damage, whereas the power surge damaged Thanos and the Gauntlet. Narratively, the power surge should be far above this value too.
This is the highest that the current 6-C characters can scale to in this CRT.
Nukes
The nuclear bombs sent by Ultron create explosions seen from space, which are calculated to be 68.5 Gigatons (6-C+) or 120.9 Gigatons (High 6-C). While this is an alternate timeline, the comments on the original calc state that the Nexus Events that separate the timelines don't affect Earth's nukes and suggest scaling Captain Marvel to 10x this value by Maria Hill's statement. On top of that, it wouldn't make sense how nuclear bombs on Earth have a higher output than the power surge of the Snap.
Other supporting feats without a calculation
If the feats listed above aren’t enough to be considered consistent, then there are a couple more that are worth mentioning to further prove that those feats aren’t the exception:
- Thor shakes Jotunheim with one of his attacks and is called a “planet shaker” by a writer of the MCU. I can see this being interpreted as flowery language, but I think it's still an interesting point considering that according to our standards for global earthquakes by lowballing the feat with lower magnitudes it would still be impressive and consistent with the High 6-B rating.
- The SHIELD needed nukes amped by the Tesseract to fight Thor, but even 0.1 kilotons could destroy Eastern United States, meaning that Thor is far stronger than that.
- In a canon storybook, Captain Marvel was capable of tanking and surviving a cannon that is able to destabilise the core of a planet, which even by lowballing it should be at the very least Country level or Large Country level, consistent with the rating.
Conclusions
The proposal here is that all of the characters that scales to Thanos’ 6-C rating should be to 6-B/High 6-B or even 6-A because the rating is much more consistent than it was previously believed. The reasons here summarised:
- Thanos casually crushes the Tesseract (High 6-B [requested for recalculation])
- Hela consider the Casket weak (>>> 6-B)
- Captain Marvel impacts against the Xandar’s core (6-B, feat performed by the version of a different timeline identical to the original one up until that point);
- Ikaris casually parts the clouds (>>>>> Low 6-B, indirectly scales to Captain Marvel for WoG, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Bifrost destroys Jotunheim (High 6-B, feat lowballed and used only indicatively)
- The Abilisk creating a storm (between High 6-C and 6-B+, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Thanos destroys Titan's moon (6-A, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Nuclear Explosions (6-C+ or High 6-C, supporting feat that the Snap scales far higher)
- Multiple supporting statements or feats that further evidences that the current rating is an extreme lowball.
Some of these may actually affect the current 7-A characters, but we can probably discuss that another time
This changes were discussed a lot with many supporters of the verse, which I thank for the help in making this revision.
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