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What do you think about this @Qawsedf234?Does something like this work to star with Gorr? Obviously the scans are missing
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What do you think about this @Qawsedf234?Does something like this work to star with Gorr? Obviously the scans are missing
I mentioned it because the Celestial Body Feats page says that moving a star at FTL speed will be ranked as Star level. By the way, that could also be "possibly Stellar" LS?I wouldn't use FTL speeds, but the core justification is fine in my view.
Yet he was mentioned for a team to fight gorr and his weapon was still relevant agianst the god butcher on top of being the highest authoritative powerZeus is the top dog because he is old and wise, not because he's the most powerful. Thor states this.
This is also important since Thor's quote doesn't make sense regarding the Celestials as well
Gods have timespans on their life that are measured in "just" thousands of years. Odin directly says this and he died of old age. The Celestials there would have to be younger than Zeus for that quote to make sense and they're likely thousands of times older since we get this from Arishem
I wonder if it was because he couldn't fight a Celestial.
Oh ok, but the 3-c option should be fineI probably said that wrong and that's my bad I'm saying I don't think we need a middle ground because the middle grounds are less accurate than either the 5-A scaling or the 3-C scaling which have more basis than the other forms of scaling we could possibly. Maybe we are over complicating the 3-C but the 5-A does seem like the most simple option given its basis on a scaling chain we already recognize with the egyptian gods instead of one with celestials though that one is simple as well
Yeah I can't say I'm entirely opposed to it and I do think its actually way more viable compared to anyone who'd try a 4-B or 4-A option but I still think 5-A works better at least right nowOh ok, but the 3-c option should be fine
for me I'm neutral with 4-C, I just feel that solid 5-A is better but I can go either wayYeah I can't say I'm entirely opposed to it and I do think its actually way more viable compared to anyone who'd try a 4-B or 4-A option but I still think 5-A works better at least right now
Ok, I mean I think we should just do 3-c now. I’ve technically already put together the scaling chain for itYeah I can't say I'm entirely opposed to it and I do think its actually way more viable compared to anyone who'd try a 4-B or 4-A option but I still think 5-A works better at least right now
Odin at most died after living for about 10,000 to 20,000 years. Since far younger than the Celestials 1 Billion+ year range. The quote doesn't work with Zeus, since he can't be the Oldest and Wisest when the Celestials are much older, unless they just aren't considered Gods.pretty sure that was Loki that said that and he was being sarcastic besides this only applies to Asgardians since celestials(which are gods)
I'm not seeing it at the moment. We should wait to see if anyone actually fights a Celestial first before we scale people to them.Oh ok, but the 3-c option should be fine
I definitely agree with this.I'm not seeing it at the moment. We should wait to see if anyone actually fights a Celestial first before we scale people to them.
This. Celestials are probably considered "gods" the same way some people in-universe in DC consider Superman a god for his raw power (though the Celestials feat the description much better). Even then, the Celestials are their own very particular brand of beings with a very specific set of characteristics and very specific circumstances of creation no God has shown in any way in the setting so far so...Odin at most died after living for about 10,000 to 20,000 years. Since far younger than the Celestials 1 Billion+ year range. The quote doesn't work with Zeus, since he can't be the Oldest and Wisest when the Celestials are much older, unless they just aren't considered Gods.
We’re exactly are you getting that from? And agian the thousand year quote comes from a sarcastic Loki so I doubt it’s that valid besides there’s another quote of Odin beating surtur like a half a million years ago so he was clearly much older then what your trying to say. They are considering there in omnipotent cityOdin at most died after living for about 10,000 to 20,000 years. Since far younger than the Celestials 1 Billion+ year range. The quote doesn't work with Zeus, since he can't be the Oldest and Wisest when the Celestials are much older, unless they just aren't considered Gods.
I'm not seeing it at the moment. We should wait to see if anyone actually fights a Celestial first before we scale people to them.
Here's the official Disney+ audio description attached to this scene (apologies in advance for the crappy quality):What about this?
I got that but there’s no reason not to just do it now. Like why do we have to wait possibly years for a celestial or Thor to so up agian? We’ve had characters make massive jumps in power before and we didn’t have to wait chapters upon chapter or issue upon issue just to be safe(unless it was a clear outlier). Why not just upgrade him now and see what happens later just like ever other character@The_one_you_least_expect I think this is fine for now considering the door isn't being closed and the fact we're acknowledging it for later scaling if we get it and not completely dismissing it I think is a good start at the very least
Here's the official Disney+ audio description attached to this scene (apologies in advance for the crappy quality):
"Glittering lights rise like fireworks from Frigga's body and spiral into the starry sky where they disperse to become one with the firmament."
The scene shows a new glowing constellation of stars that was not there when Heimdall first looked up.
Odin was stated to have ruled Asgard for thousands of years in the Thor novelWe’re exactly are you getting that from?
For thousands upon thousand of years, he had carried the burden of his crown alone.
Watching him now, as Odin spoke the words his own father had spoken to him thousands of years before, Loki had to admit Thor looked like a king.
Odin's rule has lasted thousands of years, and at various times over the course of his reign, the Allfather must replenish the Odinforce by going into ODINSLEEP.
Even after ruling for tens of thousands of years, it felt like only a day ago that his father had crowned him in a ceremony similar to this one.
From Thor in a hyperbolic manner. He even says "I thought my father killed you, like, half a million years ago."quote of Odin beating surtur like a half a million years ago
Because no one scales to the Celestials. Gorr doesn't and neither does anyone else.hy do we have to wait for someone else to fight a celestial just to upgrade Thor?
Ok cool is there anything stating Olympians live only a thousand yearsOdin was stated to have ruled Asgard for thousands of years in the Thor novel
From Thor in a hyperbolic manner. He even says "I thought my father killed you, like, half a million years ago."
If the Loki statement is invalid, then so is Thor's. Even in Thor's case, 500,000 years is much smaller than 1,000,000,000 years.
Because no one scales to the Celestials. Gorr doesn't and neither does anyone else.
Well besides Infinity Ultron I guess.
She says this on camera in front of Kevin Feige (timestamp 3:43). He does not stop or contradict her. Kevin in fact nods in agreement at this instant. Doesn't WoG by default now make Celestials gods?For what it's worth, Eternals director Chloe Zhao seems to consider Celestials to be gods:
"We asked ourselves from the very beginning – that would affect costume design, production design, everything […] ‘why are they here?’ Is it military? Is it missionary? Y’know, ‘cause everything’s going to look different if it’s military or missionary. So we realized that they were missionaries from the celestials. Y’know, celestials that are gods. So everything does have that kind of holy undertone. We also look at sacred symbols throughout human history, backtracking and thinking ‘maybe because of who they were, they inspired these shapes and these symbols.’"
Thor made a joke, the same one Loki made. If both are valid, then just go with the omniscient source, which implies they're life span is measured in the tens of thousands of years rather than the billions.Thor said odin was much older then you previously were trying to state
Zeus said Gorr can kill Gods, but Zeus also isn't older than the Celestials which means Thor wasn't including them in his statement.Zeus thinks otherwise
Yes and ones a thousand and the other is a hundered thousand and regardless how is this relevant to Olympians exactly?Thor made a joke, the same one Loki made. If both are valid, then just go with the omniscient source, which implies they're life span is measured in the tens of thousands of years rather than the billions.
Zeus said Gorr can kill Gods, but Zeus also isn't older than the Celestials which means Thor wasn't including them in his statement.
This is going in circles though. I'm for the 5-B+ or 5-A upscaling but against any 3-C rating until we get something more.
Because 3-C is based on them killing Celestials based on Zeus being afraid that they can kill him, while also ignoring Gorr's plan was just to wish them all to be dead rather than invade and fight them all at once.Why can't we just do 5-A possibly 3-C then if there's this much contention still
Because it is way easier then hunting down ever god. It’s litterly never implied that couldn’t kill them when he was going about his planBecause 3-C is based on them killing Celestials based on Zeus being afraid that they can kill him, while also ignoring Gorr's plan was just to wish them all to be dead rather than invade and fight them all at once.
Okay, I watched the Endgame fight scenes. There is one moment where they clash however if you look frame-by-frame I believe that Thanos stopped Stormbreaker by hitting its hilt and stopping the blade from hitting him. So the Stormbreaker itself doesn't create scaling issues to my knowledge.
Honestly to me this seems like the most reasonable route we can goWhy can't we just do 5-A possibly 3-C then if there's this much contention still
The former is more sound to me.@Colonel_Krukov @LordGriffin1000 @Sir_Ovens @GyroNutz @Emirp sumitpo @KLOL506 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan, @Propellus @Aguywhodoesthings @KingTempest @M3X 2.0
If you're able, could you weigh in on the proposed scaling. Right now the two sides are "5-A (Upscaling from Moon Knight), possibly/likely 4-C (Gorr moving a star)" or "5-A, possibly/likely 3-C (Scaling to Celestials)"
Yeah, I see little reason why they wouldn't be. Between WoG and their presence in Omnipotence City, which isn't shown to be inhabited by anyone other than gods or their entourages (specifically around the Golden Temple, where "the most powerful creator gods in the universe hang out") they are clearly intended to be classified as gods in the MCU.She says this on camera in front of Kevin Feige (timestamp 3:43). He does not stop or contradict her. Kevin in fact nods in agreement at this instant. Doesn't WoG by default now make Celestials gods?
I think only was qaw to a degree with his werid age argument or whateverI don't think anyone is denying them being gods or I haven't gotten that impression since they like blatantly are, thought this was just a scaling arguement
No,Not from my memoryIf the Celestials are considered gods as well, scaling to them should fine. Are their any anti feats? Like, do they struggle with the tier 4 stuff?
No celestials casually create stars and galaxies and suchIf the Celestials are considered gods as well, scaling to them should fine. Are their any anti feats? Like, do they struggle with the tier 4 stuff?
No they're 3C but we shouldIf the Celestials are considered gods as well, scaling to them should fine. Are their any anti feats? Like, do they struggle with the tier 4 stuff?
I'd prefer 5-A, likely 4-C, 3-C seems like a little too muchIf you're able, could you weigh in on the proposed scaling. Right now the two sides are "5-A (Upscaling from Moon Knight), possibly/likely 4-C (Gorr moving a star)" or "5-A, possibly/likely 3-C (Scaling to Celestials)"