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Wait whatYup, 4-C is coming from Gorr possibly moving a sun
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Wait whatYup, 4-C is coming from Gorr possibly moving a sun
Wait what
Then Thor should scale from itsIf I remember correctly it was because Gorr moved the star thanks to the power of the Necrosword and he is empowered by it
Yes, that's where the possibly 4-C comes fromThen Thor should scale from its
or not ?
That's been all of Phase 4 for me. So much cool shit that could happen just thrown away for a quippy joke, a joke fight, or a shitty attempt at "Subverting Expectations"I don’t know why but I really wanted to see Gorr pull a Madara Uchiha on Omnipotence City in the movie.
I actually agree with this. Considering this is the same Hela who got practically one shotted against Prime Surtur and Odin > Prime Surtur.So upgrading Odin shouldn't create any scaling issues, as Hela should only scale at the peak of her power, which she evidently never reached during the events of Ragnarok. Prime Hela and Ragnarok Hela would probably have to be two different keys.
I think the current consensus is that "At least 5-A, possibly 4-C" is the best option hereOk so are we doing 3-c using tier 4 stuff as supporting feats or?
Why? What’s wrong with tier 3?I think the current consensus is that "At least 5-A, possibly 4-C" is the best option here
People just mostly don't seem to agree with scaling Thor and co. to Celestials, but Egyptian God scaling is fineWhy? What’s wrong with tier 3?
Based on what exactly?People just mostly don't seem to agree with scaling Thor and co. to Celestials, but Egyptian God scaling is fine
IdkBased on what exactly?
While crass, I'm mostly with this.
5-B or 5-A, possibly 4-C is fine with me. Scaling anyone to the Celestials or back scaling based off of previously removed feats aren't
He's put in the same list as Ra, who's should be stronger than the lesser gods of his pantheon that have a Tier 5 feat.
Other than that I'm not sure what other Tier 5 stuff there is without attempting to scale them to Celestials (which we shouldn't do)
What about this?I still think we should include Odin’s feats among the top tier gods. Especially his stars creation feat.
Because he apparently physically pushes the planet for his Low 5-B feat, but the 4-A one is done with hax.Wait actually, been curious about this
Why is it the 4-A feat for Khonshu doesn’t scale to his physicals but the Low 5-B does
There was a whole CRT to address thatWait actually, been curious about this
Why is it the 4-A feat for Khonshu doesn’t scale to his physicals but the Low 5-B does
Why not? If Zeus is the strongest then he should scale above celestialsHe's put in the same list as Ra, who's should be stronger than the lesser gods of his pantheon that have a Tier 5 feat.
Other than that I'm not sure what other Tier 5 stuff there is without attempting to scale them to Celestials (which we shouldn't do)
Low 5B using physicalWait actually, been curious about this
Why is it the 4-A feat for Khonshu doesn’t scale to his physicals but the Low 5-B does
I think the scale is like this: Khonshu (5-B+) < Ammit (Baseline 5-A) < Ra < Zeus < Thor
Celestials aren't Creator Gods and we shouldn't scale anyone to Celestials until we actually see them fight a Celestial.Why not?
Huh? Omnipotence city is litterly a god only place and since celestials are there then they are considering gods especially creator gods since they make stars and galaxies. And why do we need fights when we already have statments that say what would happenCelestials aren't Creator Gods and we shouldn't scale anyone to Celestials until we actually see them fight a Celestial.
When does anyone mention that they can fight a Celestial? Are you talking about Gorr killing Gods? I don't think that's warrant enough to scale when they're beyond the nearest 4-A showing by a factor of 146 million and above the 4-B showing by something like a Quadrillion or a Quintillion times over.And why do we need fights when we already have statments that say what would happen
No by Zeus stating he wouldWhen does anyone mention that they can fight a Celestial? Are you talking about Gorr killing Gods? I don't think that's warrant enough to scale when they're beyond the nearest 4-A showing by a factor of 146 million and above the 4-B showing by something like a Quadrillion or a Quintillion times over.
Celestials create galaxies, and stars, we've seen them demolish a planet and one of them even made the big bang. Nothing any other god has done even remotely comes close to their showings. Scaling anyone to them without a goof reason shouldn't be done and I don't see anything from L&T that backs the idea that anyone can fight a Celestial. Especially since Gorr's plan wasn't even to physically go and kill people in Omnipotence City, but to steal Thor's axe so he could wish for Eternity to do so.
He would have done so by stealing Thor's axe and wishing with Eternity, not by physically going there to kill every god.No by Zeus stating he would
The power to kill someone like Zeus or Valkyrie is not the same as killing a Celestial. The power jump is incredibly massive and even with Odin's creation feat, they would still be quadrillions of times higher and hundreds of millions of times higher than the best feat performed by another god. There's nothing warranted for scaling because there's no indication he could fight a Celestial 1 vs 1.he had the power to kill top tier gods.
At least Large Planet level (Thor stated that they would need to team up with the most powerful gods of the universe, including Ra, the strongest god of the Egyptian Pantheon, to defeat Gorr), possibly Star level (Empowered by the Necrosword, whose power can possibly move a star at FTL speed)
This seems good imoDoes something like this work to star with Gorr? Obviously the scans are missing
It’s litterly stated that he has the power to kill the strongest gods in omnipotence cityHe would have done so by stealing Thor's axe and wishing with Eternity, not by physically going there to kill every god.
The power to kill someone like Zeus or Valkyrie is not the same as killing a Celestial. The power jump is incredibly massive and even with Odin's creation feat, they would still be quadrillions of times higher and hundreds of millions of times higher than the best feat performed by another god. There's nothing warranted for scaling because there's no indication he could fight a Celestial 1 vs 1.
The 5-B/4-C scaling at least has a basis to it, but 3-C is taking a claim and then applying it to someone that is vastly beyond anyone else the claim can apply to while also ignoring Gorr's plan to just wish them all dead rather than fight them.
Why do we need a middle ground? Thor trained and got stronger simple as that.Yeah even with Odins 4-B and Konshu's 4-A one is ED and the other is via space manip hax so like those wouldn't work as middle grounds going up to the 3-C and as Qaw said they're infinitesimally lower than the 3-C value we have celestials at
In this case I do think the 5-A just has entirely more concrete basis even if you can argue the celestial arguement
I probably said that wrong and that's my bad I'm saying I don't think we need a middle ground because the middle grounds are less accurate than either the 5-A scaling or the 3-C scaling which have more basis than the other forms of scaling we could possibly. Maybe we are over complicating the 3-C but the 5-A does seem like the most simple option given its basis on a scaling chain we already recognize with the egyptian gods instead of one with celestials though that one is simple as wellWhy do we need a middle ground? Thor trained and got stronger simple as that.
I don’t see how when he scaling that says other wise
Zeus is the top dog because he is old and wise, not because he's the most powerful. Thor states this.It kinda is since Zeus I’d the top dog in omnipotent city.
Gods have timespans on their life that are measured in "just" thousands of years. Odin directly says this and he died of old age. The Celestials there would have to be younger than Zeus for that quote to make sense and they're likely thousands of times older since we get this from ArishemAnd Zeus, the oldest and wisest of them all.
Since they aren't Tiamut that means both are over a billion years old, which makes then far older than Zeus which means Thor isn't including them as gods in his statement.Every billion years new celestials must be born
I wonder if it was because he couldn't fight a Celestial.I wonder why the god butcher would opt for the easer option