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Personally I think 5-A works fine scaling above Konshu and the egyptian gods as well as someone said previously I'm neutral ln 3-C
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Mcu Thor and friends upgrade to tier 3
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I'm in the same boat
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If 3-C get accepted, Thor can fight the ******* herald tiers in the comics
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Look cool for me lolIf 3-C get accepted, Thor can fight the ******* herald tiers in the comics
but nah its too high actually
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Yeah I'd prefer this as a possibly higher or something. There's implications he's in this range but idk if we have enough to confirm that's consistent at this point. Furthermore, I'd wait on scaling this to anyone else until we get more crossovers between Thor and the other MCU characters, we know this Thor is > his previous selves thanks to WOG and Gorr is mentioned to be superior to Hela in power (there's also an argument you can make Thor surpassed Odin years ago)
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More than that we literally see Thor train to get stronger sooo yeah any prior implications of his power go out the window with that alone let alone WoG
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Agreed. I don't think the MCU as a whole (like Hulk and co) should get this but I'm fine with this as a "possibly higher" or something for a Love and Thor key as well as those who scale, such as Gorr, Jane Foster with Mjolnir or possibly Zeus (I go back and forth on this one since he does have the Thunderbolt and his constructs restrain Thor for a bit).More than that we literally see Thor train to get stronger sooo yeah any prior implications of his power go out the window with that alone let alone WoG
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There not just implications there are start up statements and fights that show his at this lvl. Why do we have to wait years and months for Thor’s next appearance when what I’ve provided is pretty clear cut. Thor got stronger over some post time skip, Thor beats Zeus(the strongest god) and repeatedly goes head to head with gorr who even Zeus fears.
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I can understand the 4-A from the Egyptian Gods, but why are we scaling them to Celestials?
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1) only the statements imply he’s at this level and really only the one about Gorr potentially being able to kill Celestials is worth using since wasn’t Khonshu’s fest based off hax?
2) Zeus is one of the greatest gods there but I’d note we don’t know how the statements stack up. The whole point of his section of the film is the idea Thor is wrong and Gorr isn’t entirely wrong about the Gods that rule over the universe
for all we know Zeus actually isn’t the strongest there and maintains his power over the City based off his legends claiming thusly.
3) we wait because only Thor, Gorr and Jane (with potential for Zeus and Hercules) would scale to this stuff, Hulk wouldn’t scale because this Thor is > his past selves and is prolly a bit of an entity unto himself rn
the argument is Zeus claims Gorr could kill any God in Omnipotence City, Celestials are in Omnipotence City
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The wait at least I disagree with. It's useless to wait for that. Thor has his own adventures that don't connect to anything major in the setting, him taking an upgrade, however big it might be, isn't going to clash with the rest of the setting if it's just about him. We shouldn't ignore upgrades just because of some hypothetical interactions that might (and only might) happen or not in a distant project we're not even sure he will be featured in.
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My point is waiting to upgrade anyone but Thor and co, I even mention in my comment that whatever upgrades happened would only apply to Thor, Jane, Gorr, potentially Zeus and Hercules at this point since he’s canonically > all his past selves
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This included Hulk or not ?
Hulk is now 5A lel.
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As of now, there is no reason for Hulk to scale to L&T Thor and co
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And his fights with gorr and him beating Zeus. Pretty sure the one about Zeus being the strongest would also be worth using. I guess but there’s still Odin
what do you mean? His already shown multiple times to be the top dog amount the gods, I’d say the statements and implications stack up just fine. Ya about the gods being good guys and not complete assholes, this is completely irrelevant to there power lvls(outside of the whole Zeus being afraid)
ok and? Ok and isn’t that a good thing that nobody else scales you him outside of the film cuz it would cause massive problems
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Just gonna lay it out here, I find no reason to scale anyone else to those Tier 4 or Tier 3 levels besides Thor, Jane, Gorr, Zeus and possibly Herc (since Zeus was confident in his power and he knows how strong Thor is). If we wish to bring other characters to those levels, I suggest waiting for future films where they might possibly scale to them.
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I still disagree for 3C Thor or his peers
(too high)
5A likely 4C is the best one.
4B may be acceptable anyway.
(too high)
5A likely 4C is the best one.
4B may be acceptable anyway.
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Oh ok
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While crass, I'm mostly with this.
5-B or 5-A, possibly 4-C is fine with me. Scaling anyone to the Celestials or back scaling based off of previously removed feats aren't.
As for the thread, while it sounds incredibly stupid, training to get stronger has been a valid reason to explain even stupid upgrades like moving people from Tier 4 to Tier 2 or better. Dragon Ball is an example where training just can make you higher dimensional and there are plenty of Chinese WebNovels where that also happens.
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Literally android 17 fighting regular human poachers goes from like large star level to universe level and universe+ with barriers
But yeah as said prior I think the 5-A possibly 4-C option is the best one in this scenario
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Anyways I don't know how we really do Valkyrie here. Either we do a new key and just scale her to the new stuff with Zeus' weapon or just make a new key so we don't break backwards scaling.
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Well it'd be the same for Mjonir and Stormbreaker we'd likely have to make a new key or there's gonna be some serious problems with peeps trying to backscale, I believe the weapon itself is fine for her though since I don't think she's shown tanking any like punches or strikes without the bolt I think
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That's easy. Mjolnir has always worked by giving people the power of Thor, so the strong Thor is the stronger Mjolnir is due to the enchantment. Its how Thor gave like 50 kids all of his powers.
This, however, will be harder. Though did Thanos ever actually clash with Stormbreaker with his helicopter sword?
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Okay, I watched the Endgame fight scenes. There is one moment where they clash however if you look frame-by-frame I believe that Thanos stopped Stormbreaker by hitting its hilt and stopping the blade from hitting him. So the Stormbreaker itself doesn't create scaling issues to my knowledge.
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I'm skeptical towards the workout routine as it was only meant for him to get back in shape, not to get billions of times stronger than before, there is nothing in the movie explicitly saying that he managed to get on such a level that he reached the celestials through simple boulder lifting.
Zeus status as the strongest of gods is not explicit to me, he is stated by Thor to be the oldest and wisest (Questionable, considering his attitude throughout the film), and seem to be quite popular enough to get a statue and lead City's orgies. But the only thing he does is destroy Korgs body and get marked by Thor with his own lightning bolt.
The statement of Gorr being a step up from hela is good to imply things are slightly stronger than before, but I don't think it necessarily helps a lot for the 3-C upgrade. The fact that a "non-upgraded" Mjolnir could clash with the necrosword and allow Jane fight with Gorr also shows very clearly that the power levels are relatively the same, not disproportionately higher.
As for the Odin's and Khonsus gears, was not the former dismissed as space dust and the latter being just Sparial manipulation? I don't know about those.
I'm sorry if I look like I'm playing contrarian for the kek of it but, I'm just not convinced, I disagree.
Zeus status as the strongest of gods is not explicit to me, he is stated by Thor to be the oldest and wisest (Questionable, considering his attitude throughout the film), and seem to be quite popular enough to get a statue and lead City's orgies. But the only thing he does is destroy Korgs body and get marked by Thor with his own lightning bolt.
The statement of Gorr being a step up from hela is good to imply things are slightly stronger than before, but I don't think it necessarily helps a lot for the 3-C upgrade. The fact that a "non-upgraded" Mjolnir could clash with the necrosword and allow Jane fight with Gorr also shows very clearly that the power levels are relatively the same, not disproportionately higher.
As for the Odin's and Khonsus gears, was not the former dismissed as space dust and the latter being just Sparial manipulation? I don't know about those.
I'm sorry if I look like I'm playing contrarian for the kek of it but, I'm just not convinced, I disagree.
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He's put in the same list as Ra, who's should be stronger than the lesser gods of his pantheon that have a Tier 5 feat.
Other than that I'm not sure what other Tier 5 stuff there is without attempting to scale them to Celestials (which we shouldn't do)
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Ah yeah I suppose that's right so no problem there
Ah I see then yeah that's good then
There are WoG statements coupled with Thor's training that literally say he's at his strongest post training so yeah this doesn't mean anything and besides how you feel about it being dumb after training it justifies the jump no matter if it seems dumb that its by millions of times
Thor someone obviously knowledgeable on the gods considers Zeus to be the strongest tool in Omnipotence city in his quest to combat Gorr while also mentioning other gods in the same vein still putting Zeus or if you want to go there his lightning bolt as a tier stronger than what he believes others are capable of, that's after all literally why he sought him out
Jane will have the powers of Thor, Thor gets stronger Mjonir is stronger no contradictions there
Nah and no only when konshu moved the starts was it a 4-A feat the other time he just pushed the moon had konshu used space manip he'd have been sealed right there lol
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Just make a new key with the bolt
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-Which statements in particular? Because I think I already address some of that in my comment.
-No, he says he says he is the wisest and oldest, not the strongest. I also put Thor knowledge into considering that not only Zeus reject his call for help (Something that he was convinced he would support) but acted douchebag ignoring the entire gore situation instead being actually wise like Thor says.
-We assume this line of thought because way back then by Endgame Stormbreaker Thor was like Country level and Mjolnir Thor like Mountain, so there had to be some reason as to why Mjolnir Cap could content with Thanos who was Tier 6, that is how we came up with the excuse that Mjolnir grows stronger along with Thor.
Which is a headcanon that we should stop assuming now that both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker are exactly the same tier.
Will respond tomorrow.
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He says this but still comes to the conclusion that if they can't get Zeus's help than his Lightning bolt would make up for not having those other present along with zeus himself so yeah while Zeus ended up being a douche Thor was absolutely correct about the Zeus's Lightning bolt being a relevant powerhouse of a tool in their combat against Gorr
You kinda just said you're skeptical...
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Getting back in shape would make one stronger no? No it shows him being at that lvl and as I said in the crt clearly a lot of time has passed and with Thor’s training and new adventures it wouldn’t be surprising that he got a lot stronger
yes because it’s heavily implied, Zeus isn’t just popular his pretty clearly shown to be the top dog with how the other gods react to him. There’s also the fact that Thor thought that Zeus(or his weapon) would be relevant agianst gorr. Besides even if you don’t think Zeus is the strongest there’s also the fact that Zeus was pretty confident that gorr would kill all the gods in omnipotent city
for khonshu yes for Odin idk regardless I was mainly just using them for hype
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Even I'm not quite sure that
Celestials in T4 are same as
regular one
its may be as weak as Eson
or as strong as Nazerr(only one
I can remember name) so
its might range 5C - 3C.
*I don't watch T4 yet the movie
is too much cringe for me"
Celestials in T4 are same as
regular one
its may be as weak as Eson
or as strong as Nazerr(only one
I can remember name) so
its might range 5C - 3C.
*I don't watch T4 yet the movie
is too much cringe for me"
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??? My guy we scale Eson to 3-C same as any other celestial dude has no anti feays and was around when celestials were entirely outdated pre retcon in eternals now he'd be at least 5-A based off the baby celestial emergence calc since that's how all celestials are born...still though he's 3-C
The range would be the egyptian gods 5-B+ ans 5-A with some possibly 4-C because of certain feats, the 3-C comes entirely from celestials
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Just higher via thunderbolt
Gorr is only worthwhile thanks to the statement and Zeus is weird because he’s oneshot by his own weapon rather then a protracted battle with Thor
It’s absolutely not, the whole point is the Gods aren’t as great as played up and if Thor was wrong about Zeus’ wisdom, why would those same myths be correct about power? I have no issue with the upgrades (preferably as a possibly rating) but I think this reasoning is a bit weird, Gorr and his statements are what’s important, not Zeus
it is, that’s why I’m saying these upgrades would only apply to Thor and co until we have reasons otherwise
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That’s fine to
ok and statments are valid, don’t see how that’s weird considering it’s pretty powerful
because Zeus’s bolt was still relevant agianst gorr, the only thing the scene was showing was the gods being dicks it didn’t imply that Zeus was no more powerful then he was hyped up to be. I’d still think Zeus is relevant but whatever
ok
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Didn't we abandon the 4-C stuff since Celestials are now 3-C or we are keeping the Gorr is moving the Sun thing?
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Yup, 4-C is coming from Gorr possibly moving a sun
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