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(MCU) Quake, Graviton, Hive and Ghost Rider Profile Discussion Thread

Wouldn't that be because the Shield is made from Vibranium and Ultron's body at the time isn't?

Ultron page: Multi-City Block level (Survived hits from Iron Man, took no damage from the Quinjet's minigun)

A minigun isn't that strong, and Iron Man's feat of powering the helicarrier rotor is made by him pushing the fan at mach 2. This doesn't scale to any AP he may have stroke Ultron with.
 
Iron Man shouldn't scale to Loki since it was Loki's plan to get capture in the first place.
 
We need a calc for Graviton pulling the Gravitonium from beneath the Earth's surface of Chicago. He pulled a pillar of rock from the streets all the way to where the Gravitonium was beneath the Earth's surface.
 
AppleLord said:
Wouldn't that be because the Shield is made from Vibranium and Ultron's body at the time isn't?
Ultron page: Multi-City Block level (Survived hits from Iron Man, took no damage from the Quinjet's minigun)

A minigun isn't that strong, and Iron Man's feat of powering the helicarrier rotor is made by him pushing the fan at mach 2. This doesn't scale to any AP he may have stroke Ultron with.
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An attack that isn't a super powerful attack scales to your other regular attacks. Also vibranium or not matters not, the thing is Cap cut into him.
 
That shouldn't be the case since a punch won't scale from a passive one. MCU characters are not anime characters.
 
The Avengers - Iron Man VS Loki W MK VII Suit up 1080pMovieClips-0
The Avengers - Iron Man VS Loki W MK VII Suit up 1080pMovieClips-0

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it looks like mk7 iron man damaged loki's armor in which loki's durability is being discussed on statesman explosion calculated at 7-c.
 
AppleLord said:
Iron Man shouldn't scale to Loki since it was Loki's plan to get capture in the first place.
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Just because Loki planned to get captured, doesn't mean that he didn't actually take damage from Iron Man. While he did plan to get captured, he did put up a fight. Otherwise, he would've just surrendered to Captain America.

And if you all disagree, then Loki should at the very least be left as "at least Multi-City Block level"
 
It was not that Red Skull couldn't hold it, more like the portal was open from the otherside like Hawkeye said.
 
Loki

  • The tesseract melts through steel and teleported Red Skull elsewhere. No worthwhile stat to get from holding it.
  • Loki fought Valkyrie quite evenly, if below on skill. Also, getting knocked out isn't a durability downgrade when a normal human can knock out another normal human with a punch to the face like Valk did with Loki.
  • He took a beat down from Hulk and was rather close if not there against Thor.
  • He shrugged off a shield toss to the body, but to be fair, Asgardian armor is ridiculous.
 
Son of the Prince said:
AppleLord said:
Iron Man shouldn't scale to Loki since it was Loki's plan to get capture in the first place.
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Just because Loki planned to get captured, doesn't mean that he didn't actually take damage from Iron Man. While he did plan to get captured, he did put up a fight. Otherwise, he would've just surrendered to Captain America.

And if you all disagree, then Loki should at the very least be left as "at least Multi-City Block level"
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We are discussing feats & inconsistencies. If he gets an upgrade I am fine with it.
 
I am fine with if Spino and Gemmysaur manage to reach a conclusion.
 
could you link me the statesman explosion calc?

i think iron man older armors scale to it because he made loki scream out loud and damaged his armor.
 
He didn't melt, so he scales to the Tesseract's metal-melting property. He doesn't scale to Red Skull in any way.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Not yet. Loki's durability is inconsistent so we are still discussing.
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Hela strike him down with one of her blades inside the bifrots and it didn't harm him at all. Loki scales to Hela too.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
We'll have to consider that an outlier.
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It wouldn't be an outlier if he gets Mountain level+ durability from back in the day as far as Thor 1. Everyone got pierced by her weapons except Loki so it wasn't the armor. He was also ready to fight her before Thor send him to cause Ragnarok.
 
Thor's bracers can deflect Hela's spears, and it's always a straight stab that pierces his armor, so Loki taking an attack is hardly special. That said, theirs are either of better make than other Asgardians, or they're just good enough to tilt a bit and let the projectile weapon slide away on their armor.

Thor, Loki and Hela were all ready to fight in Ragnarok. It was a last stand to be a hero and save their endangered people. Even Hogun was ready to lay the smackdown, as unlikely as he was at doing anything worthwhile.
 
Don't know if you're in favor or againts Loki scaling to Hela, but Hela never missed her targents unless you are named Thor. Loki was hit directly that's why he went off the Bifrots with no injuries. Hogun failed to show feats to back up that claim.
 
Being ready to fight is not a claim, but if you need one, it's that he did fight. Winning or doing anything of note is another thing entirely.

Anyways, Loki doesn't scale to Hela. Hell, Valkyrie doesn't scale to Hela, and she was there fighting a losing battle. At least Thor got good hits in without need for distraction.

On another note, rewatching the scene now, it was Loki's knife that Hela flung at him, and from the looks of it, he managed to deal with it enough to only be knocked off course. That's hardly worth scaling imo.
 
Gemmysaur said:
Being ready to fight is not a claim, but if you need one, it's that he did fight. Winning or doing anything of note is another thing entirely.

Anyways, Loki doesn't scale to Hela. Hell, Valkyrie doesn't scale to Hela, and she was there fighting a losing battle. At least Thor got good hits in without need for distraction.

On another note, rewatching the scene now, it was Loki's knife that Hela flung at him, and from the looks of it, he managed to deal with it enough to only be knocked off course. That's hardly worth scaling imo.
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I see. Thanks for making things straight. What else is left to discuss?

Edit: Auto-correct making errors.
 
Okay, for the Loki durability I think this is the best solution:

Put Loki's durability as "At least Large Town level, likely Mountain level+". Whether his AP scales or not, I'm not sure.

Iron Man probably doesn't scale to Loki, or it messes up the scaling. His 8-A feat also caused him some effort. After all, even Hawkeye's explosive arrows knocked him flying.

For Sif, pretty sure her durability is comparable, if not superior, to regular Asgardians. We should put her at "At least High 7-C".
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Okay, for the Loki durability I think this is the best solution:

Put Loki's durability as "At least Large Town level, likely Mountain level+". Whether his AP scales or not, I'm not sure.

Iron Man probably doesn't scale to Loki, or it messes up the scaling. His 8-A feat also caused him some effort. After all, even Hawkeye's explosive arrows knocked him flying.

For Sif, pretty sure her durability is comparable, if not superior, to regular Asgardians. We should put her at "At least High 7-C".
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see post 127 of mine above. mk7 iron man damaged loki's armor and actually made him shout hard. his 8-a feat came from mark 6.
 
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