MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

This episode was literally just What if Doctor Strange became Vergil

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Jackpot!

.....admit it, someone had to do it

 

[Dalesean027]

Jackpot!

.....admit it, someone had to do it

Indeed lol

But really he threw everything away in his pursuit of power and was willing to turn to the darkness so that he could protect what he loves and never had to experience that same pain

That sounds like Vergil to me

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Definitely, although he honestly has a more depressing ending...at least for now (yeah, if you look at the trailer, you see he's talking to a certain...someone from What if)

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Is nobody going to talk about how Ancient One performed a 2-C feat?

 

[Dalesean027]

Is nobody going to talk about how Ancient One performed a 2-C feat?

Lol we did, check the last page

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I can't wait to see more of the magic side of the MCU, if this is just a taste of things to come.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I can't wait to see more of the magic side of the MCU, if this is just a taste of things to come.

That's why I love Strange and co so much, Magic stuff is always bound to be exciting

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So now the MCU has a Low 2-C character and will have two 2-C people and maybe even more with the Ultron episode judging from the poster

 

[Dalesean027]

So now the MCU has a Low 2-C character and will have two 2-C people and maybe even more with the Ultron episode judging from the poster

3 if we count the ancient one splitting the timeline

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I love how this messes with Pre-Endgame scaling so much. Because this assumes that full potential Strange is > Infinity Stones.

 

[Dalesean027]

I love how this messes with Pre-Endgame scaling so much. Because this assumes that full potential Strange is > Infinity Stones.

Thanos notes strange doesn't even use his greatest weapon(the time stone)

We see him abuse it here

 

[ArkhamDC06]

3 if we count the ancient one splitting the timeline

Oh I was counting her

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Thanos notes strange doesn't even use his greatest weapon(the time stone)

We see him abuse it here

I mean, if you think about it, Strange is even better than Carol and Wanda. Carol and Wanda got their powers from Stones, that is why they're so powerful. Strange fought against Thanos using FOUR Stones, went evenly with him and put him in great difficulties and Thanos had to use all the Stones he had to defeat him and acknowledged his power. And he did that with basically two years of experience and his own power. No Eye, no Stone, just himself

 

[Dalesean027]

Oh I was counting her

Ah I thought you were just saying strange and dormamu

I mean, if you think about it, Strange is even better than Carol and Wanda. Carol and Wanda got their powers from Stones, that is why they're so powerful. Strange fought against Thanos using FOUR Stones, went evenly with him and put him in great difficulties and Thanos had to use all the Stones he had to defeat him and acknowledged his power. And he did that with basically two years of experience and his own power. No Eye, no Stone, just himself

All very true and yet still pain no upgrades

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Tbf, he knew exactly what moves to make though considering he looked into the future no?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Don't think he saw what moves and powers he would use in a fight. He saw what needed to be done to achieve victory against Thanos and save the universe. I feel like since he knew what would happen, he didn't really use his full power, he simply fought because he had to

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Alright, that's fair enough

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Ah I thought you were just saying strange and dormamu

Well Dormammu is already 2-C and the AO will be as well with the splitting the timeline feat so that's two

All very true and yet still pain no upgrades

Shame

 

[Fitz_100]

Well Dormammu is already 2-C and the AO will be as well with the splitting the timeline feat so that's two

Shame

Arent we forgetting someone or something, Alioth.

 

[Fitz_100]

Also didn't thanos confirm the stones capability to destroy and remake an entire universe? I mean Thanos should have more knowledge abt the cosmic relics than we do, so if he thinks it's very possible why are the stones not 2c? Also the time stone could affect an entire 2c being Dormamu and 2c realm Dark Dimension and that is just one of the stones, that is another proof of 2c, or am I missing something here?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

We have to remember that Infinity Stones in Loki are useless and that was when there was only one timeline.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Great episode. By far the best of the series so far. Some really nice feats and combat animations we got too.

Though something with straight up Low 2-C Strange doesn't fit right with me somehow. I feel like it should be environmental destruction tbh, considering it was very clearly over time and that strange just straight up couldn't stop it. His durability with forcefields definitely scales but I don't really think his actual magic should.

But also at the same time the Ancient One had a 2-C feat so like, wtf?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

We have to remember that Infinity Stones in Loki are useless and that was when there was only one timeline.

All of those infinity stones came from purged nexus events though.

 

[Dalesean027]

Great episode. By far the best of the series so far. Some really nice feats and combat animations we got too.

Though something with straight up Low 2-C Strange doesn't fit right with me somehow. I feel like it should be environmental destruction tbh, considering it was very clearly over time and that strange just straight up couldn't stop it. His durability with forcefields definitely scales but I don't really think his actual magic should.

But also at the same time the Ancient One had a 2-C feat so like, wtf?

I'd say the ED is entirely valid but then yeah you have the ancient one just splitting the timeline and strange should be scale to her so it's weird

 

[ArkhamDC06]

We're not going to make Strange 2-C right?

 

[Dalesean027]

We're not going to make Strange 2-C right?

I'm sure I can stay that way if someone can post a scan that a sorcerer's defense should be relative to their offense because I saw that that was said but if not his ap will be a ED feat

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm sure I can stay that way if someone can post a scan that a sorcerer's defense should be relative to their offense because I saw that that was said but if not his ap will be a ED feat

Don't know if there is such thing for the MCU but I don't see why his AP wouldn't be comparable to his AP since both come from his power honestly. Unless he used a special spell to create the barrier and not a simple forcefield he can create by himself like the rest of his spells

 

[Dalesean027]

Don't know if there is such thing for the MCU but I don't see why his AP wouldn't be comparable to his AP since both come from his power

Oh I assumed that that statement came from an official source if not then nah that's not viable there's cases where a character can have durability radically higher than any attack they can produce such as this

Orihime Inoue

Orihime Inoue (井上 織姫, Inoue Orihime) is a Human living in Karakura Town. She is a student at Karakura High School, where she is in the same class as Ichigo Kurosaki and her best friend, Tatsuki Arisawa. At some point during the Epilogue, she and Ichigo fell in love and eventually started a...

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[Emirp sumitpo]

I mean, if you think about it, Strange is even better than Carol and Wanda. Carol and Wanda got their powers from Stones, that is why they're so powerful. Strange fought against Thanos using FOUR Stones, went evenly with him and put him in great difficulties and Thanos had to use all the Stones he had to defeat him and acknowledged his power. And he did that with basically two years of experience and his own power. No Eye, no Stone, just himself

Finally someone else acknowledges this. Strange arguably put up the best fight against Thanos with the IG, either him or Iron Man

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also would the ancient one get a profile?

 

[Dalesean027]

Also would the ancient one get a profile?

She probably should especially since she herself has a low 2-C feat

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Oh I assumed that that statement came from an official source if not then nah that's not viable there's cases where a character can have durability radically higher than any attack they can produce such as this

Orihime Inoue

Orihime Inoue (井上 織姫, Inoue Orihime) is a Human living in Karakura Town. She is a student at Karakura High School, where she is in the same class as Ichigo Kurosaki and her best friend, Tatsuki Arisawa. At some point during the Epilogue, she and Ichigo fell in love and eventually started a...

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True but it's generally specifically indicated in one way or another in universe right? Because here, nothing indicates his defense is somehow stronger than his AP

 

[Coolboy6]

Holy shit that was a dark episode. I also like that we’re getting more MCU Tier 2 characters.

 

[Dalesean027]

True but it's generally specifically indicated in one way or another in universe right? Because here, nothing indicates his defense is somehow stronger than his AP

Actually the Strange buffs that were being argued before were specifically for his shields to be 6-C though that was rejected but still again like I said before it's sorta weird here seeing how the ancient one has a low 2-C feat as well

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Oh I assumed that that statement came from an official source if not then nah that's not viable there's cases where a character can have durability radically higher than any attack they can produce such as this

Orihime Inoue

Orihime Inoue (井上 織姫, Inoue Orihime) is a Human living in Karakura Town. She is a student at Karakura High School, where she is in the same class as Ichigo Kurosaki and her best friend, Tatsuki Arisawa. At some point during the Epilogue, she and Ichigo fell in love and eventually started a...

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Orihime doesn’t actually work as an example since it’s specifically mentioned her power is based on her emotions and to attack, she needs bloodlust and intent to kill which is something completely against her character. Her AP actually would scale to her defense if she was bloodlusted.

 

[Dalesean027]

Orihime doesn’t actually work as an example since it’s specifically mentioned her power is based on her emotions and to attack, she needs bloodlust and intent to kill which is something completely against her character. Her AP actually would scale to her defense if she was bloodlusted.

Lol wtf did I miss that statement reading bleach holy shit, I remember her harming people in the fullbring and TYBW but not any statements like that

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Tier 2 Strange is inevitable

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Tier 2 Strange is inevitable

Yes but only once he finally surpasses The Ancient One in MoM.

 

[Dalesean027]

Tier 2 Strange is inevitable

Yes but only once he finally surpasses The Ancient One in MoM.

Strange vs Drip Goku will actually be a possibility