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Not even close, we waited this whole time for the clips to be fully released
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MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread
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We should reword the justifications we've put forth, because Zeus isn't outright stated to be the most powerful being in his city, although it is heavily implied and an easy conclusion to draw
1. Thor implies he's the greatest help they can get, and he's been to the city before and knows a lot about gods so he definitely knows what he's talking about
2. The fact that Zeus is worshipped by the other gods
3. The fact that Zeus has ruled as long as he has seemingly uncontested. Plus, his ruling is based on his raw might
4. The Celestials don't seem to get a reaction out of anyone
1. Thor implies he's the greatest help they can get, and he's been to the city before and knows a lot about gods so he definitely knows what he's talking about
2. The fact that Zeus is worshipped by the other gods
3. The fact that Zeus has ruled as long as he has seemingly uncontested. Plus, his ruling is based on his raw might
4. The Celestials don't seem to get a reaction out of anyone
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Are you sure about that because I remember that there was a specific statement of Thor saying his the most powerful
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Someone clarified that he doesn't say it outright
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Good time for someone who has Disney+ to go check
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I don't think vague hints that he might be the strongest is enough for upgrades as massive as this. Is scaling to Celestials the only 4-C feat that characters would be scaling from? If there is no statement that Zeus is the strongest, then I don't think there should be any Tier 4 for these characters. Maybe a "possibly far higher" at the most imo.
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Gorr's star going zoom suggests they were trying to convey that level of power this movie
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If the planet were moving fast enough to make it appear as though the star were rapidly revolving then the debris would go flying off
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Hmmm, that’s weird I remember him saying it straight up in omnipotence city
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There’s other things that imply him as being that strong though he should also scale above odin and the Egyptian gods
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The implications are as direct as can be without outright statements
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Guess Zeus and Gorr will "only" be "At least High 6-C" then (though we can still add a "possibly far higher" behind that)
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There's clearly a solid case for tier 4 being recognized
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That's what I support. I think the 4-C feats are very vague (except Konshu's which has no reason to scale to physicals anyway), and the scaling to the only ones with solid 4-C feats (The Celestials) is even vaguer. Potentially being implied to be maybe stronger than two Celestials who were standing in the background shouldn't be enough for a jump from Tier 6 to Tier 4.
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The Gorr moving the sun stuff? Now that I think about it, would it even be possibel to use it for a tier (if so, I'm quite happy but I have to ask)?
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Nah they 4-c, just need the clips to prove it
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We already had this discussion a month ago. Its been agreed upon that tier 4 is acknowledgeable
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Also that's been noted as usable supporting evidence
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Yes, we agreed to wait for the clips
In any case, let's wait for everyone to say what they think about it (crossing fingers that we can actually find some solid stuff for tier 4)
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We already knew what we were talking about, we just needed clips so we could actually make the CRT
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Thor mentions Ra who, like Khonshu, can control the stars
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Once again, we already acknowledged that previously
Its just that the idea is still heavily implied by Thor himself and other things mentioned above
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Tier 4 was agreed to months ago when the understanding was that there was a straightforward statement of Zeus being the strongest god in omnipotence city. Now that appears to not be the case.
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I don't know what other people will say, but personally, I strongly oppose Tier 4.
The Zeus > all other gods is flimsy at best. Our only source is Thor, noted Zeus fanboy, who doesn't even claim he's the most powerful. Yes, he wanted Zeus' help. But Zeus was the leader of the gods, of course he'd go to the guy who could tell everyone else what to do. And again, he's a Zeus fanbody. He's hardly the most reliable source of information, especially considering he was really disappointed when he actually met Zeus. For all we know, Thor's statement might not even be true, it might just have been Thor hyping up his idol.
The Tier 4 Khonshu feat is fine for him, but as I mentioned above I don't think Zeus should upscale. We don't even know if its combat applicable anyway.
The Tier 4 Gorr feat is also unreliable. We have no idea exactly what Gorr did there. We don't know if he moved the sun or not. He could have just moved the asteroid (yes, in real life that would have caused debris to fly off. But since when have CBMs followed irl physics?)
The Zeus > all other gods is flimsy at best. Our only source is Thor, noted Zeus fanboy, who doesn't even claim he's the most powerful. Yes, he wanted Zeus' help. But Zeus was the leader of the gods, of course he'd go to the guy who could tell everyone else what to do. And again, he's a Zeus fanbody. He's hardly the most reliable source of information, especially considering he was really disappointed when he actually met Zeus. For all we know, Thor's statement might not even be true, it might just have been Thor hyping up his idol.
The Tier 4 Khonshu feat is fine for him, but as I mentioned above I don't think Zeus should upscale. We don't even know if its combat applicable anyway.
The Tier 4 Gorr feat is also unreliable. We have no idea exactly what Gorr did there. We don't know if he moved the sun or not. He could have just moved the asteroid (yes, in real life that would have caused debris to fly off. But since when have CBMs followed irl physics?)
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We already acknowledged that when we asked someone who very recently watched the movie at that point what the exact statement was
and yet again agreed later that tier 4 is notable
and yet again agreed later that tier 4 is notable
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Already discussed way over a month ago. The disappointment is of Zeus' personality, not his actual power
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Actually the disappointment had nothing to do with Zeus's power but with his behavior, he viewed him as the greatest of the gods both in terms of power and morality yet when they meet, he realizes Zeus is an egotistical jerkass who prefers to throw parties and orgies than trying to protect people
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Considering how Zeus is treated as the top dog in omnipotent city and even has a statue in his honor would suggest that Thor’s belief in his power is valid
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By the way, Thor probably knows the power scale considering he already knew about the city and was said to have been there several times in the past since Zeus recognizes him and says that he thought he'd already seen the last of the Asgardians a long time back. He based his persona of raw might off of Zeus cuz he idolized him for a long time, so its almost a certainty he knows what he's talking about
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Something else to keep in mind, not all the Celestials are the same. Ego is a Celestial, yet he's a different type of Celestial, so he doesn't scale to the other Celestials, with the same going for Eson the Searcher. So it's possible that the Celestials in the crowd are different kinds of Celestials that don't scale to regular Celestials, which is why I believe going by that statement isn't the best idea.
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Thor states omnipotentence city is home to the strongest gods in the universe, its pretty likely the celestials shown there are stronger then most ones
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1. Eson is regarded as a proper Celestial (which is why his profile is planned to be removed due to redundancy)
2. Ego is literally the only one ever noted to be an outlier, so he doesn't even count because the source material says he's not a Celestial proper
3. Arishem says that all Celestials are birthed the same. We are never once told nor is it ever suggested that they vary like that
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No it wouldn't. We've calced the speed of the planet and its not moving fast enough to throw debris off with the gravity it showed.
Well, I said I would wait for the CRT. At no point did I ever agree that it should be used, because it shouldn't in my view.
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What is Tier 4 based on and for whom?
