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MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread

Alright, so the implications for Zeus are pretty clear cut. Thor flat out says that he would be the greatest help in their fight.

He says this while directly acknowledging Ra, an Egyptian God.

It's reasonable to assume all the Egyptian Gods are Relative to each other. Khonshu isn't there, but that could just be because he simply doesn't want to be (He's not exactly a social guy).

Zeus is the unquestioned ruler of the city, there is no reason to believe he would be any weaker than any other God there.

The Celestial scaling seems to be questionable for a lot of people here, which I guess is fair. (Though I personally don't have an issue with it)

With that in mind, couldn't we just scale Zeus from Khonshu causing an Eclipse? I mean that's a solid Tier 5 feat, uses the information that we have direct confirmation of. There's also no argument of Hax/AP (Which I've seen used for Khonshu's star feat).

IMO Tier 4 should be fine, but if not than I think the bare minimum should be scaling off of the 5-B feat. at least as a compromise.
 
The 4-A feat is just Spatial Manipulation, it doesn't scale to physicals at all. While the 5-B+ feat we don't know how it was done, since Khonshu teleported somewhere and the moon started moving, he may have used another type of Spatial Manipulation or hax, or he may have moved it himself
 
If that is the case there isn't any scene or statement confirming that Khonshu moved the moon by himself. On the other hand, we know how Khonshu's Spatial Manipulation works, and what he did with the moon was different than what he did with the night sky, plus before the eclipse Khonshu teleported somewhere. Imo saying that Khonshu moved the moon by himself would have the same level of assumption as saying that he moved it with another type of Spatial Manipulation that we know of, I don't know if that could give him a "Possibly 5-B physically"
 
RoTt35 said:
If that is the case there isn't any scene or statement confirming that Khonshu moved the moon by himself. On the other hand, we know how Khonshu's Spatial Manipulation works, and what he did with the moon was different than what he did with the night sky, plus before the eclipse Khonshu teleported somewhere. Imo saying that Khonshu moved the moon by himself would have the same level of assumption as saying that he moved it with another type of Spatial Manipulation that we know of, I don't know if that could give him a "Possibly 5-B physically"
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Who would've helped him move it? Santa? genuinely I don't get what your argument is. He literally moved the moon to get the gods attention. That's literally the whole point of the scene.
 
his ass did NOT move the moon with spatial manipulation
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RoTt35 said:
If that is the case there isn't any scene or statement confirming that Khonshu moved the moon by himself. On the other hand, we know how Khonshu's Spatial Manipulation works, and what he did with the moon was different than what he did with the night sky, plus before the eclipse Khonshu teleported somewhere. Imo saying that Khonshu moved the moon by himself would have the same level of assumption as saying that he moved it with another type of Spatial Manipulation that we know of, I don't know if that could give him a "Possibly 5-B physically"
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I agree with the others, there's nothing to suggest he used any type of power other his own strength, we see him teleporting somewhere and suddenly (as in immediately after) the moon starts moving, it would be weird for the scene to go like it does if he needed some kind of spatial powers to move the moon, he could have just do it from where he was (not to mention that if he "simply" needs help from his avatar to move the night sky, he's more than powerful enough to move a simple moon on his own), he shouldn't have needed to teleport somewhere and the Ennead later confirm he moved it on his own. The two stuff are very different in terms of looks, effects/consequences and how it works.

So the rating would be "5-B physically, 4-A/up to 4-A via spatial manipulation"
 
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Also a minor thing to note but the fact that Thor specifically requested Zeus' weapon and aid out of the entire pantheon of gods in Omnipotence City does heavily imply he's the strongest of the gods and likely on par with or superior to the Celestials who do scale to 4-C or higher. Since Thor wields the Thunderbolt and actually defeats Zeus himself with it that could potentially be evidence or support for the Tier 4 scaling.
 
Star-level strength feat for Thor:

Resisting the pull of the Bifrost for 6 seconds, half the 12 seconds that it's open = 1.9 solar masses

Astrophysicist Jane Foster defines the Bifrost is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge wormhole. NASA defines that as a black hole connected to a white hole. The smallest known real-world black hole is 3.8 solar masses. Our sun = 1 solar mass. Combine this with Thor surviving the neutron star Nidavellir and we have star-level feat consistency.



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Science sources:

https://chandra.harvard.edu/resources/faq/black_hole/bhole-4.html

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/smallest_blackhole.html

https://science.nasa.gov/milky-ways-black-holehttps://science.nasa.gov/milky-ways-black-hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/...rs cram roughly 1.3,the same as Mount Everest

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Jane's wormhole description, Jane's black hole / white hole visuals, real-world black hole / white hole visuals:




No Caption Provided

https://www.space.com/white-holes.html

https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/bh/schww.html
 
ParkerKent007 said:
Star-level strength feat for Thor:

Resisting the pull of the Bifrost for 6 seconds, half the 12 seconds that it's open = 1.9 solar masses

Astrophysicist Jane Foster defines the Bifrost is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge wormhole. NASA defines that as a black hole connected to a white hole. The smallest known real-world black hole is 3.8 solar masses. Our sun = 1 solar mass. Combine this with Thor surviving the neutron star Nidavellir and we have star-level feat consistency.



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Science sources:

https://chandra.harvard.edu/resources/faq/black_hole/bhole-4.html

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/smallest_blackhole.html

https://science.nasa.gov/milky-ways-black-holehttps://science.nasa.gov/milky-ways-black-hole

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/neutron_stars.html#:~:text=Neutron stars cram roughly 1.3,the same as Mount Everest

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Jane's wormhole description, Jane's black hole / white hole visuals, real-world black hole / white hole visuals:




No Caption Provided

https://www.space.com/white-holes.html

https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/bh/schww.html
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The feats probably pretty good but I don’t think that’s how the bifrost necessarily works
 
Sorry to interrupt all the scaling talk but I just got around to watching the movie.

The cinematography were stunning like most marvel movies (especially the shadow planet fight). CGI was also solid throughout the film (aside from the floating head) and the fight choreography and action was really solid as well. And they left that Thor ass uncensored.

But a lot of the issues I've seen people talk about are totally justified. The tone was all over the place and timing of quips and upbeat moments were waaaaaaaay way off. Its ironic the way the movie begins with Gorr being horribly wronged by the god he worshipped so much and then the very next god we see after Rapu is Thor acting in an uncaring and reckless manner on the battlefield. Insane how the scenes will jump from a suffering man who lost everything > "Funny" scene > Major character has stage 4 cancer > "Funny" scene.

Sometimes they don't even separate the somber from humor with scene switches like when there's a room full of terrified Asgardians who don't know where there kids are and then the writers decide to have Thor crack a few jokes with everyone's full attention paired with some weapon jealousy humor before and after Thor's speech. They even double down when Thor is directly speaking to said kids who have been kidnapped by ******* shadow monsters to a desolate, dark planet by having Thor crack up a good joke.

The movie does a better job of managing the tone in the later acts but the piss poor consistency in the first half is too atrocious to ignore. Its almost like there was blatant regression with Thor's character. You think that all the loss he's gone through in phase 3 that he'd be more empathetic and serious about this stuff, but nah. It almost feels like I'm watching his character right after the events of Thor 1. The character regression was so bad that they really had to remind us of the suffering that Thor went through, through the use of recaps by Korg and a few back tattoos.

This isn't to say that Disney isn't allowed to use Thor in a comedic manner, but maybe don't try to do it in a movie where the antagonist is someone who went through similar pain as Thor as a result of negligence from the gods, and then have Thor nonchalantly try to make everyone laugh for most of the movie.
 
Not sure where they found the scans, but apparently the Bifrost pulls one on a cellular, molecular and atomic level? Maybe new resistances for Gorr and others?
comicvine.gamespot.com

Gorr and Thor resisting the Bifrost is atomic level - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

So the Bifrost pulls you on a cellular and even atomic level, so if you're standing against it like Gorr was, you'd need to be strong, of course, but
comicvine.gamespot.com comicvine.gamespot.com
Also did Thor transform into lightning?
comicvine.gamespot.com

Did L&T Thor transform into lightning? - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

Credit to @death4bunnies for the idea (this was Pre L&T when he came up with it)
comicvine.gamespot.com comicvine.gamespot.com
 
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