Mcu 6-a and speed rough draft

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Moon level (5-C)

• Rocket states that Nidavellir makes the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe.
• His Hadron Enforcer can blow up moons, which is confirmed by guidebooks.
• Ronan, who was empowered by the Power Stone, was unfazed by the Hadron Enforcer.

Planet level (5-B)

• The Tesseract has the potential energy to wipe out Earth without a minimum safe distance.
• Ronan implies that Captain Marvel is more powerful than the Tesseract.
• Hela implies that the Eternal Flame is more powerful than the Tesseract.

You should also include aether stuff and thanos crushing the tesseract for tier 5

 

[Dalesean027]

Stormbreaker being above the hardron

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Stormbreaker being above the hardron

Mjolnir should also be above it tbh considering how high Odin rates it

 

[RoTt35]

Mjölnir was also made in Nidavellir so: Hadron Enforcer < Mjölnir < Stormbreaker

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Moon level (5-C)

• Rocket states that Nidavellir makes the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe.
• His Hadron Enforcer can blow up moons, which is confirmed by guidebooks.
• Ronan, who was empowered by the Power Stone, was unfazed by the Hadron Enforcer.

Planet level (5-B)

• The Tesseract has the potential energy to wipe out Earth without a minimum safe distance.
• Ronan implies that Captain Marvel is more powerful than the Tesseract.
• Hela implies that the Eternal Flame is more powerful than the Tesseract.

NGL the Tesseract statements moreso seem like surface wiping than outright destruction.
Plus it'd make more since that the power stone has, well, more Power than the Space stone.

Luckily this doesn't change any of the Mjolnir or Stormbreaker scaling due to rockets statement

 

[Dalesean027]

Also don't forget

Weakened Hela < Eternal Flame Surtur < Prime Odin (who nearly killed Prime Surtur) < Prime Hela (who was too powerful for Odin to control or combat)

It would make sense they'd be at least comparable if not above the High 6-B feat that killed Surtur keeping it real G didn't laufey take Odins eye? That's unironically more than Surtur ever did lol

We've also still gotta add odins 4-B feat to his profile

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

NGL the Tesseract statements moreso seem like surface wiping than outright destruction.
Plus it'd make more since that the power stone has, well, more Power than the Space stone.

Luckily this doesn't change any of the Mjolnir or Stormbreaker scaling due to rockets statement

Wipe out means to completely destroy something so I doubt it. Who said it doesn’t?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Also don't forget

Weakened Hela < Eternal Flame Surtur < Prime Odin (who nearly killed Prime Surtur) < Prime Hela (who was too powerful for Odin to control or combat)

It would make sense they'd be at least comparable if not above the High 6-B feat that killed Surtur keeping it real G didn't laufey take Odins eye? That's unironically more than Surtur ever did lol

We've also still gotta add odins 4-B feat to his profile

I still say date put him in the ground, the fact that Odin is casully 4-b but couldn’t kill surtur a supposed tier 6 character seems a bit sus to me

 

[RoTt35]

I still say date put him in the ground, the fact that Odin is casully 4-b but couldn’t kill surtur a supposed tier 6 character seems a bit sus to me

That's just with Creation it doesn't scale to his physicals, it's the same than Khonshu moving the night sky

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That's just with Creation it doesn't scale to his physicals, it's the same than Khonshu moving the night sky

Dosen’t it still mean he can output this lvl of power? Besdies surtur is implied to be above the tesseract via Hela so regardless him being killed by a 6-b explosion is still sus

 

[Dalesean027]

6-b

High 6-B to be precise

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

High 6-B to be precise

Still a lot lower then 5-b

 

[Dalesean027]

Still a lot lower then 5-b

Fair but we don't really know the details all we really know is that Odin mortally wounded Eternal Flame Surtur which could've been done in a single attack for all we know but whatever the case that made a nearly dead Surtur go into hiding until he could regain his strength and destroy asguard

Wouldn't doubt Odin being at least 6-A or high 6-A which would still be above the tesseract if we go by one interpertation

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Fair but we don't really know the details all we really know is that Odin mortally wounded Eternal Flame Surtur which could've been done in a single attack for all we know but whatever the case that made a nearly dead Surtur go into hiding until he could regain his strength and destroy asguard

Wouldn't doubt Odin being at least 6-A or high 6-A which would still be above the tesseract if we go by one interpertation

Ya and my point is it didn’t kill him even though Odin has ever intention on doing so to prevent ragnarok

how would multi-contintal be above planet or moon busting?

 

[Dalesean027]

Ya and my point is it didn’t kill him even though Odin has ever intention on doing so to prevent ragnarok

how would multi-contintal be above planet or moon busting?

I said if we go by the 6-A if high 6-A tesseract interpertation Odin would be above it still

Ya and my point is it didn’t kill him even though Odin has ever intention on doing so to prevent ragnarok

And I get that but as said prior we have no details of the battle nor of how Surtur escaped so lets say there wasn't a power gap as massive and surtur still escaped somehow despite Odin's intent to prevent ragnarok

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Can anyone find the statements of Thanos being the strongest person Thor or the avengers have ever faced?
I'm like 99% sure I've heard that stated somewhere before.

 

[RoTt35]

Dosen’t it still mean he can output this lvl of power?

Not necessarily

Can anyone find the statements of Thanos being the strongest person

Korath stated that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, although he isn't the most reliable source

 

[Lacku]

Weakened Hela < Eternal Flame Surtur < Prime Odin (who nearly killed Prime Surtur) < Prime Hela (who was too powerful for Odin to control or combat)

This scaling chain just reminded me that Hela still needs two keys on her page

 

[Dalesean027]

This scaling chain just reminded me that Hela still needs two keys on her page

Yup we still don't have that for some reason

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I said if we go by the 6-A if high 6-A tesseract interpertation Odin would be above it still
And I get that but as said prior we have no details of the battle nor of how Surtur escaped so lets say there wasn't a power gap as massive and surtur still escaped somehow despite Odin's intent to prevent ragnarok

Oh, even then there’s other feats and scaling that goes agianst this

But we can’t cuz there’s multiple things that contradict this stance, Odin already has a casually 4-b feat and scales above the aether which has planet to multi plantery statements, the hardon enforcer which is straight up moon lvl, a weakened Hela casually crushing mjolnir which I believe was calced to small plantery and etc. There’s far to much evdince just to leave this characters at high 6-A

Not necessarily

Korath stated that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, although he isn't the most reliable source

Considering Odin gets all his powers from the Odin force would mean that this feat can be applied to his AP

 

[RoTt35]

Does someone have the interdimensional travel = sun energy statement?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Does someone have the interdimensional travel = sun energy statement?

More like creating a wormhole= sun lvl energy
And here it is
https://www.chandra.si.edu/resources/faq/black_hole/bhole-4.html

 

[RoTt35]

More like creating a wormhole= sun lvl energy
And here it is
https://www.chandra.si.edu/resources/faq/black_hole/bhole-4.html

That's not what I meant, in Ms Marvel there was a statement that to achieve interdimensional travel you need the energy of the sun

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That's not what I meant, in Ms Marvel there was a statement that to achieve interdimensional travel you need the energy of the sun

Oh then I have no idea mb

 

[Lacku]

Does someone have the interdimensional travel = sun energy statement?

Here's the screenshots

 

[RoTt35]

Here's the screenshots

Do you have a video or clip?

 

[Lacku]

Do you have a video or clip?

I'll see if I can find it on YouTube but it's said in a sort of throwaway scene from the episode it's in so it might be hard to find

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Can anyone find the statements of Thanos being the strongest person Thor or the avengers have ever faced?
I'm like 99% sure I've heard that stated somewhere before.

Well, RoTt35 already shared the Korath statement (which Ronan indirectly agreed with), and Rocket also claimed that Thanos is the toughest there is

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Well, RoTt35 already shared the Korath statement (which Ronan indirectly agreed with), and Rocket also claimed that Thanos is the toughest there is

I was moreso referring to statements from Kevin Fiege but this should help as well

 

[Dinobot1996]

All I've found so far in terms of statements:

Kevin Feige on Thanos: “So, within the first five minutes of ‘Infinity War’ people will understand why Thanos is the biggest and baddest villain in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”

There's also this statement from Joe Russo: “It was always the intent, in a larger arc, to split the Avengers up before the greatest threat that they’ve ever seen. Thanos is a virtually indestructible character, which makes him an extremely difficult character to fight.”

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

All I've found so far in terms of statements:

Kevin Feige on Thanos: “So, within the first five minutes of ‘Infinity War’ people will understand why Thanos is the biggest and baddest villain in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”

There's also this statement from Joe Russo: “It was always the intent, in a larger arc, to split the Avengers up before the greatest threat that they’ve ever seen. Thanos is a virtually indestructible character, which makes him an extremely difficult character to fight.”

Yup, That's what I was referring to

 

[RoTt35]

KLOL506 said this regarding the statement of the Tesseract. I think High 6-A/5-C is the most consistent tier for now

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

KLOL506 said this regarding the statement of the Tesseract. I think High 6-A/5-C is the most consistent tier for now

Cool, except “wipe out” means to annihilate or to completely destroy so I’m pretty sure it’s Tier 5. It’s not considering there are other plantery statements or feats

 

[RoTt35]

It’s not considering there are other plantery statements or feats

Which other? Please don't say the deleted scene

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Which other? Please don't say the deleted scene

Crushing mjolnir, WoG statment for the aether, Bor believing it was to power to destroy yet Thor shattered it, the mind stone being stated to be extremely powerful by Thor yet his able to block blasts from it in avengers, Odin stating mjolnir to have no equal in power, cap marvel being implied to be more powerful then the tesseract and etc

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I’m also pretty sure what if cap marvel’s Xander feat was going to be like tier 5 if they included metal of the planets core or something

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Oh here it is
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AbaddonTheDisappointment/Xandar_Core_Feat

 

[RoTt35]

Crushing mjolnir

You need an accepted calc, otherwise it is unusable

WoG statment for the aether

The Aether, aka the Reality Stone, works with Reality Warping and Transmutation, I don't know if that can be quantified in AP since it is mainly hax

the mind stone being stated to be extremely powerful by Thor yet his able to block blasts from it in avengers

If there isn't any other statement about the Mind Stone besides being extremely powerful it isn't very usable

cap marvel being implied to be more powerful then the tesseract

If the Tesseract ends up being accepted at High 6-A the statement doesn't work for 5-B

I’m also pretty sure what if cap marvel’s Xander feat was going to be like tier 5 if they included metal of the planets core or something

What If...? feats can't be used to scale to the characters of the main universe, we already tried it with a 6-B calc of the same Captain Marvel feat and it was rejected

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

which I believe was calced to small plantery and etc

I found a Small Planet level calc, re-did it using more accurate dimensions for MCU Mjolnir and got Planet level

I think High 6-A/5-C is the most consistent tier for now

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with this

Also, just wanna bring up two things I mentioned a few pages ago:

• In a deleted scene, Malekith was said to have destroyed an entire planet using the Aether. The deleted scene isn't contradicted and it ties in to Frigga's death and Jane's imprisonment in Asgard, which are 100% canon events that blatantly happened in the movie
• Odin was stated to possess Earth-shattering force in context of him being the most powerful Norse god and said that he has devastated entire planets, which is implied to be his own feat because "[Frigga] knew what [Odin] was capable of"

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

You need an accepted calc, otherwise it is unusable

The Aether, aka the Reality Stone, works with Reality Warping and Transmutation, I don't know if that can be quantified in AP since it is mainly hax

If there isn't any other statement about the Mind Stone besides being extremely powerful it isn't very usable

If the Tesseract ends up being accepted at High 6-A the statement doesn't work for 5-B

What If...? feats can't be used to scale to the characters of the main universe, we already tried it with a 6-B calc of the same Captain Marvel feat and it was rejected

Ok

It can considering the mother boxes have ap for terraforming planets. Besdies there’s still the deleted scene which I’m pretty sure there’s no ruling on not using it.

It is considering Thor see’s it as pretty high tier

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And if it’s accepted as 5-a then it we’ll work

Since when? I remember the 6-a upgrades in general being rejected because of a stalemate not just the what if feat