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Massive Source Downgrades (Maou Gakuin)
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EldemadeDityjon
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You should evaluate other thread. This thread is just a mess. Man that was created first.
Source is the fire dew itself. Well in the initial arguments it was not explained.
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EldemadeDityjon
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I can list off everything that's been discussed in this thread relating to sources when I get off work (assuming Glass doesn't get to it first).
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@EldemadeDityjon Good to know you don’t consider Celestial Pegasus, the guy who basically made Anos’ own page to be a knowledgeable member. Also I don’t talk to half of the guys I pinged, and Dereck already knows of this thread so tagging him would be redundant.
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Assuming those are all of the relevant quotes regarding the Source, I'm honestly not seeing how it can be anything but a Type 3 concept. It fits the definition to a T;
- Unique to each individual and acts as a personal abstraction that gives them everything.
- Within their beings rather than existing disconnected from reality.
- Destroying it will destroy the individuals in question.
It's unaffected by reincarnation but that in itself is something even regular souls can achieve across fiction. It seemingly exists across past, present and future but frankly considering the former sentence, it's likely just that the sword destroys you across all of your lives via the fact that it's the only constant to all of them.
If there's more missing about Sources specifically then feel free to post it.
EldemadeDityjon
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You pinged Planck and tell me how Many MG Downgrade or Upgrade threads he has participated? Also you both has been recently appearing in same thread same time for many CRTs. Too much of coincidence then. My bad then if you don't know Planks on daily basis.
@Elizhaa hasn't even pinged to this thread. You have any idea how many threads for MG he/she has evaluated?
EldemadeDityjon
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He does know me and we're friends but so what? It's almost as if a moderately active staff member will be pinged a lot for different threads. Are you seriously thinking regularly pinging staff for threads is a massive conspiracy?
And regarding the MG downgrade threads, I've been in like what, 3? Imma be real with you, no language on Earth has numbers high enough to describe the number of ***** I do not give about Angelo Voldemort one way or the other. I'm just trying to give my best evaluation for a thread I've been called to.
I'm judging the Source based on its own descriptors and showings but I am aware of that post. And from what I can now gather, the crux of the entire argument is the single comparison statement with Fire Dew. Which seems quite flimsy to me based on the dissonance between Fire Dew's statements and individual Source showings.
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Collection of all the sources in the world is what creates the fire dew, on its own the source does not act like the fire dew
EldemadeDityjon
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Not saying you shouldn't I was pointing out he is not trying to ping the staff who has been constantly active in MG threads. Elizha has been Upto date with all MG threads his/her take is certainly needed.
It's single buddy there has been multiple statements you can clearly take a look at Misha statement too. Root itself is fire dew. Which is supported by Both novels and keywords.
"Mother's fire dew flow outside the world"
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There appears to be a misunderstanding regarding the term of “reality” in the CM page. It should be noted that even CM type 1 can operate on a planetary scale without any issues, and there are no specific range/scale/scope of reality requirements for CM in this regard.
Therefore, the argument regarding “past, present, and future" should be misplaced, as it is misinterpreting the definition of the CM page.
The statement “It governs all reality” simply implies that the object in question governs the concept it represents.
With regard to the topic of this thread, I respectfully disagree with the premise that surviving or regenerating from source destruction, where the source is defined as a fundamental aspect of existence, constitutes mid-godly regeneration. This is my personal perspective on the matter.
Because currently, high-Godly regeneration is the definition of “surviving from one fundamental aspect of existence, body, soul and mind" which fits perfectly in these cases.
Therefore, the argument regarding “past, present, and future" should be misplaced, as it is misinterpreting the definition of the CM page.
The statement “It governs all reality” simply implies that the object in question governs the concept it represents.
With regard to the topic of this thread, I respectfully disagree with the premise that surviving or regenerating from source destruction, where the source is defined as a fundamental aspect of existence, constitutes mid-godly regeneration. This is my personal perspective on the matter.
Because currently, high-Godly regeneration is the definition of “surviving from one fundamental aspect of existence, body, soul and mind" which fits perfectly in these cases.
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@ImmortalDread No that’s not what a type 2 concept is, let alone type 1. Governing all reality means that the concept has an effect on reality itself. Changing it means that all aspects of it in reality changes completely. Someone’s personal concept, especially one that doesn’t have the same level of importance as Order does in this series doesn’t qualify for type 2 or type 1 concept.
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I never argued for CM glassman and I actually clarified to MG supporters what is “reality” term means. Also, in matter of fact, you repeated what I said.
Governing all reality means that the concept has an effect on reality itself = “It governs all reality” simply implies that the object in question governs the concept it represents.
Like seriously? It suggests that the object or concept has a significant influence or control over all aspects of reality. So, no need to teach me if we both concede on this.
Governing all reality means that the concept has an effect on reality itself = “It governs all reality” simply implies that the object in question governs the concept it represents.
Like seriously? It suggests that the object or concept has a significant influence or control over all aspects of reality. So, no need to teach me if we both concede on this.
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@ImmortalDread apologies then
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And to MG supporters:
Additionally, it is imperative for me to clarify my position without exhibiting any biased opinions, solely based on my affiliations.
With regards to the classification of CM type 2, it pertains to the act of Anos destroying the “source,” which results in the annihilation of all sources in existence.
However, it is evident that this event did not transpire in our scenario as the individual is merely removed from existence without any reference to the destruction of the “all source of existence.” Therefore, our scenario can be classified as CM type 3, although it is essential to note that I do not necessarily agree with HGR's perspective.
It is pertinent to mention that the classification of our scenario as CM type 3 aligns with the description provided on the CM page.
The sole justification I am able to advance in favor of categorizing the source as type 2 is its inclusion as a constituent of Fire Dew. Thus, I do not hold any opposition towards this classification.
The sole justification I am able to advance in favor of categorizing the source as type 2 is its inclusion as a constituent of Fire Dew. Thus, I do not hold any opposition towards this classification.
EldemadeDityjon
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I just want to say 2 things
- Anos didn't destroyed the source. I don't know where you get that and it didn't just affected future alone by wounding the source in present causes all of future deaths happening to the character at the same time ( anyway this topic is dead i am just correcting your misunderstanding)
- Fire Dew is type 1 concept not type 2.
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He did not destroy a source? Brother, in season one, when that bastard was constantly murdering his waifu, did he not just destroyed his source with his own fists?
2- Alright, same, type 1 or type 2 lol
2- Alright, same, type 1 or type 2 lol
EldemadeDityjon
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No that was later after playing with Diego.
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Brother, he literally destroyed it and the bastard is permanently dead.
EldemadeDityjon
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He destroyed the source after some times but wounding it alone caused all future death of the characters affecting the character at the present (anyway currently argument has been changed to fire dew).
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But this is not even my argument, my argument is he destroyed the source and the individual that is connected to source is the only one who got effected. Thus, type 3 definition.
EldemadeDityjon
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Well you can check the type 1 upgrade thread for source. Tastumi Clarified why fire dew = source and fire dew= type 1 concept.
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Alright but all what you said did not counter what I was purposing, Elde. Concede on this point and we can move on.
EldemadeDityjon
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Respectively I don't agree with your view. So all I can say is agree to disagree with whatever that Source getting destroyed thing. We can just move on to Fire dew argument.
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Wdym you aint agreeing with my view, literally in ANIME he just destroyed it and ONLY the bastard is dead, where else is “view”, it literally happened.
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Also, no I ain't moving unless you concede in this obvious feat, wtf
EldemadeDityjon
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EldemadeDityjon
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Novel is more canon than Anime
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Mate, even if novel is “more canon”, the anime literally presented what novel said, WTF. Elde, focus, source is ******* individual's fundamental existence, AND WHEN it is destroyed, it won't destroy any random other source. It literally only cause the individual to true death.
I am not actually arguing over an accessible obvious feat right now?
I am not actually arguing over an accessible obvious feat right now?
EldemadeDityjon
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Infinite future incarnation argument has nothing to do with source destruction. Also no anime removes too many contents.
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So you think that destroying a source will eventually destroy every source in existence? Is this your current argument?
EldemadeDityjon
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I didn't claimed that and Source is fundamental concepts of Existence* you are considering source is concepts of source itself the interpretation is wrong
Read type 2 example
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Individual's fundamental concepts of Existence*
No, I am considering that the source is only attached to one individual which described type 3 perfectly.
Yes, here is the example
Now, we are talking about the concept “Source”, when it ever got destroyed or manipulated, did it change all “sources”??????????????????????? No, only the character.
You need to replace “object” with the source since we are giving source CM type 2, which means source is conceptual.
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These are due to how Type 2 information is fundamental to their existence and that within this type 2 information exists the type 3 concept.
They are fundamental due to how information types 2 functions and how it is interconnected to the concept.
and like I said in my earlier statement they aren't well elaborated on what their effect is and we just know they exist. their application cannot be type 2 because there is nothing to support it as type 2
These are special Cases and extrapolating the fundamental level of information type 2 to Type 3 concept for being part of said information that is fundamental is a different thing from existing on the same level as information Type 2
Literally, Mimir said that soul is composed of all other things but sometimes just one among those things is enough like Luck but it will affect the entire soul as a whole
which then ties again on how This Type 3 concept may or may not be truly fundamental on the object they govern and could possibly survive without those.
The difference here would be that this one is said to be confirmed less fundamental unlike the first two examples where it was just left vague.
EldemadeDityjon
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Source governs existence of one's existence not that source governs Source.
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This is why it is not type 2 since it requires the latter to be type 2. The former IS type 3.
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