First: The link given for accepting the CM is 100% wrong, as that is a CRT that has not been terminated, this is the CRT that the CM is accepted on:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/conceptual-manipulation-clarifications-revisions.128012/page-3
Second: It is addressed MANY times, that "universal" is just a figure of speech (universe = reality = area governed), and not really scope.
"So that we're clear: We agree that changing an abstraction in a fashion that affects reality is not Type 1 or 2, unless said abstraction has demonstrated being the fundamental source of a property?"
"Yeah sure, I guess."
They agreed that governing a reality (universal scope) does not instantly make it a type 1 or 2 CM, but rather a more fundamental concept governing "properties" (properties = realities = area governada = objects governed by the CM in page).
"It would make it easier to classify cases where it is not very clear whether they are Type 1 or 2 concept manip, though. Not all fiction is very clear on the matter. Concepts (or other abstractions) frequently are manipulated without really explaining what their nature is in detail."
"What would your alternative suggestion regarding Type 3 be?"
"I still think about keeping type 3 for some kind of safe zone. For example, a character name Toujo Basara, he is said to have a conceptual attack, but nothing more than that; and Siren from Azur Lane, they said that they can control the very fundamental, concept part of the pocket dimension they create, but nothing more than that, and we can't just assume they automatically govern reality universally. Or Tobio from Highschool DxD, he can destroy the concept of magic."
"That's what I meant."
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
They agree that verses where the concepts are not well explained, like this one, is one of the examples for CM type 3.
Yeah, because i think if we have concept that govern something at large scale, there should be concept that govern small scale, like an individual, an object, or a group or small place, etc......it is still their fundamental part of their existence, but only for them
I don't like the ""universal"" label. Its gives a strong impression that range/AoE is the prime factor in deciding the type of concept. I am sure we pretty much agreed that range/AoE is a complete non-factor in deciding the Type/Nature of Concept.
They already agreed that the fact range does not change at all whether the CM is type 1 or 2, a fundamental concept that governs properties/reality can be a CM type 1 even if it is only related to one person.
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the
erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least
one even more fundamental aspect of a
character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying
information (Type 2) or
concept(s) (Type 1 or 2, but only very rarely 3, if there is strong evidence of being similar to the former types in terms of how hard it is to regenerate from them) needed for them to exist.
The definition of the HGR is literally the description of the source, which is portrayed as a type 2 concept.