Mash Burnedead and the Leader of the Straw Hat Pirates (Mash Burnedead vs Monkey D. Luffy)

[AnAverageUsername]

Continuing the quest to find a fair opponent for Mash, the cream puff addict and a pirate will be pitted against each other.

Mash is in his Beginning of Series key

Luffy is in his Alabasta Saga key

Both are 5 meters away from each other

Speed is equalized

Mash Burnedead

Mash Burnedead is the protagonist of Mashle: Magic and Muscles and a student at Easton Magic Academy. Mash was born with no magic in a world where magic is the norm, where those without magic are persecuted and killed. In order to protect him, Mash’s adoptive father raised him far away from...

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Monkey D. Luffy (Pre-Timeskip)

Monkey D. Luffy, known as "Straw Hat Luffy", is the main protagonist of the manga and anime, One Piece. He's the son of Monkey D. Dragon, a revolutionary considered “The World's Most Dangerous Criminal”; the grandson of Monkey D. Garp, a powerful Marine Vice-Admiral who had cornered the late...

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Future King of the Pirates: 3 (Popted2, KingTempest, MonkeyOfLife)

Incon: 1 (Eminiteable)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Magia Lapus is 7-B+

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Magia Lapus is 7-B+

Ah, thanks for catching that, I mixed up the keys

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Based on his profile, Mash has an advantage in AP.

Mash scales to causally doing a 31.0656596558 Kiloton Feat

Luffy scales to Nico Robin, who can casually take out Pell, who survived a 23.506 Kilotons attack.

Mash fighting style seems to mainly revolve around physical strikes, meaning he's gonna have a lot of trouble dealing with Luffy's resistance to blunt impacts. Additionally, Luffy's Damage Boost and Rage Power should help him close the gap.

I'm gonna wait until arguments come up to vote.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Based on his profile, Mash has an advantage in AP.

Mash scales to causally doing a 31.0656596558 Kiloton Feat

Luffy scales to Nico Robin, who can casually take out Pell, who survived a 23.506 Kilotons attack.

Mash fighting style seems to mainly revolve around physical strikes, meaning he's gonna have a lot of trouble dealing with Luffy's resistance to blunt impacts. Additionally, Luffy's Damage Boost and Rage Power should help him close the gap.

I'm gonna wait until arguments come up to vote.

Oh finally, a close match.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

AP: Mash with a casual hand movemen threw a scorpion so hard that it yields 31 kilotons.

Luffy scales above Robin, who damaged someone who almost died in a 23 kilotons explosion. This works more like downscale

So Mash has significantly an advantage here

LS: Well, pretty obvious, Class T vs Class M. That's a bigger difference than a million times for Mash

Skill: Mash can fight and win against someone who was at hypersonic+ speed while he was in slow motion from the human perspective; He can adapt to the style of an attack quickly and find exactly the weakness of the technique within moments, even when previously the same technique had almost killed him. It's even mentioned that it the same attack will not work again with Mash.

Luffy is able to fight and defeat someone who is FTE to him by adapting to the style; He is also fully capable of defeating opponents much more durable and prepared than him, such as Krieg, who possessed a huge arsenal along with "indestructible" armor, and yet Luffy defeated him.

Mash's evolution is indeed superior to Luffy's, but Luffy has a much greater variety of moves than most of Mash's opponents. So I think both are comparable

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The rubber physiology grants Luffy basically immunity to most of Mash's attacks, as well as a much greater range (20km). However, Mash will realize this quickly and will not only use punches or kicks, he will eventually try to trap him underground and use LS' advantage. Mash could also throw a big rock at Luffy to trap him, as he did with Margarette (Who is faster than him)

Via the initial distance, I think mash wins by LS

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I don't see Damage Boost for Luffy

Damage Boost (By stretching his limbs, Luffy can greatly increase the power of his attacks. Or by twisting/spinning his whole body)
It's in his East Blue key.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, I missed it

Sorry

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Keys, amirite?

AP: Mash with a casual hand movemen threw a scorpion so hard that it yields 31 kilotons.

Luffy scales above Robin, who damaged someone who almost died in a 23 kilotons explosion. This works more like downscale

So Mash has significantly an advantage here

LS: Well, pretty obvious, Class T vs Class M. That's a bigger difference than a million times for Mash

Skill: Mash can fight and win against someone who was at hypersonic+ speed while he was in slow motion from the human perspective; He can adapt to the style of an attack quickly and find exactly the weakness of the technique within moments, even when previously the same technique had almost killed him. It's even mentioned that it the same attack will not work again with Mash.

Luffy is able to fight and take someone who is FTE to him by adapting to the style; He is also fully capable of defeating opponents much more durable and prepared than him, such as Krieg, who possessed a huge arsenal along with "indestructible" armor, and yet Luffy defeated him.

Mash's evolution is indeed superior to Luffy's, but Luffy has a much greater variety of moves than most of Mash's opponents. So I think both are comparable

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The rubber physiology grants Luffy basically immunity to most of Mash's attacks, as well as a much greater range (20km). However, Mash will realize this quickly and will not only use punches or kicks, he will eventually try to trap him underground and use LS' advantage. Mash could also throw a big rock at Luffy to trap him, as he did with Margarette (Who is faster than him)

Via the initial distance, I think mash wins by LS

I'm guessing that's a vote, counted.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Skill: Mash can fight and win against someone who was at hypersonic+ speed while he was in slow motion from the human perspective; He can adapt to the style of an attack quickly and find exactly the weakness of the technique within moments, even when previously the same technique had almost killed him. It's even mentioned that it the same attack will not work again with Mash.

Luffy is able to fight and defeat someone who is FTE to him by adapting to the style; He is also fully capable of defeating opponents much more durable and prepared than him, such as Krieg, who possessed a huge arsenal along with "indestructible" armor, and yet Luffy defeated him.

Mash's evolution is indeed superior to Luffy's, but Luffy has a much greater variety of moves than most of Mash's opponents. So I think both are comparable

Luffy is more skilled

You just said find exactly the weakness of the technique within moments, even when previously the same technique had almost killed him.
It's even mentioned that it the same attack will not work again with Mash.

but with luffy he doesn't even need a second chance, in the moment he automatically adapts and takes control of the disadvantage and turn it into an advantage while making a whole new technique on the spot

Here is some of his skill feats in East blue

Luffy creating techniques on the spot by copying anything he has seen or can see that's especially effective against the opponent his fighting
Luffy easily winning against someone who is one of the smartest people in East blue and moves FTE to luffy even in his base form, countering ones attack by holding on to the weapon mid air while someone was attacking at the same time, countering a slash by stopping it from the side with good timing while in mid air, Making a plan to destroy someone weapon and perfectly hitting the same spot to break someone's armor. Can think of effective ways to get himself out of sticky situations and make good use of it by attacking back, redirect a cannon ball that explodes on contact (I think) and redirects it back at the opponent, able to use his surroundings to dodge or block
East blue luffy is Comparable to Zoro who can do this...
Able to block/dodge 6 blades coming from all directions while using foreign swords coming from behind him and being severely damaged while attacking back. Able to make techniques effectively that counters someone else's technique, while being near death gets hurt even more and is able to spin a certain way to not get hit and attack back at the same time while falling, able to perfectly accurate cut a very small bogger that explodes on contact and make it not explode on him

While I don't know much about Mash I can see he is very skilled and should be quite close in terms of luffy's skills

Luffy's rubber physiology will definitely be the reason why he wins not only will Mash attacks do nothing which gives luffy more time to damage him plus can use his damage boost to severely damage him

he will eventually try to trap him underground and use LS' advantage. Mash could also throw a big rock at Luffy to trap him, as he did with Margarette (Who is faster than him)

Via the initial distance, I think mash wins by LS

I don't see that happening at all, you just made luffy stand still and then tried to find ways how mash could beat luffy.

Luffy's Range which he can attach himself to something far away to pull himself up with and can use his very good intent and senses to move before he throws the big rock, can easily help him in that situation or luffy can stretch and attack Mash via range which will make him possibly drop the big rock

Luffy can also BFR Mash if luffy stretches far enough.

Luffy has Reactive Power Level which will make him surpasses Mash, which will happen as Mash would be at a huge disadvantage at the beginning of the fight so he would need alot of time to find a way to defeat luffy or even hurt him which will be even harder with Luffy's Supernatural Luck and possibly superior Skill

Luffy has much more wincons

Voting luffy

 

[Kachon123]

Since when did Mash get a profile? I've been looking for months.

 

[Popted2]

Luffy FRA

 

[Kachon123]

I really hate how disingenuous One Piece supporters can be.

Luffy's rubber physiology doens't make Luffy take no damage, or even reduces a lot of the damage, as in Water 7, Sanji, who scales to Luffy, was able to make Luffy bleed with a single casual kick:

Mash, who scales above Sanji, should be able to damage Luffy with little difficulty.

What's stopping Mash from punishing Luffy when he stretches towards him, them dominate the fight with superior LS, superior AP, and his coolheaded nature?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Inverse luffy is literally immune to blunt attacks which is stated everywhere...

I really hate how disingenuous One Piece supporters can be.

Did you read this on his profile?
Gomu Gomu no Mi (Rubber Rubber Fruit): A Paramecia type Devil Fruit, this fruit turns the user’s body into rubber. The fruit's major strength, as demonstrated by Luffy, is that the person's body can stretch like rubber even when the ability user himself is nullified. It also makes them almost entirely immune to blunt attacks, including hand-to-hand combat, bullets or even cannonballs (this mechanic is further explained here).

 

[Kachon123]

Did you read this on his profile?
Gomu Gomu no Mi (Rubber Rubber Fruit): A Paramecia type Devil Fruit, this fruit turns the user’s body into rubber. The fruit's major strength, as demonstrated by Luffy, is that the person's body can stretch like rubber even when the ability user himself is nullified. It also makes them almost entirely immune to blunt attacks, including hand-to-hand combat, bullets or even cannonballs (this mechanic is further explained here).

But then the Sanji feat.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

But then the Sanji feat.

Which is vague af... That thing (blood via your opinion) on his face is instantly gone and there is possibly blood behind luffy which could be because he got stabbed while crashing on the objects yet there is no shown damage on luffy.

Also this scan completely debunks your scan.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Since when did Mash get a profile? I've been looking for months.

Since two weeks ago

But then the Sanji feat.

Stuffs like this have already been addressed in the Luffy's physiology blog, which includes cases where even Sanji is shock at the idea of someone harming Luffy through blunt force

 

[SnookB]

I really hate how disingenuous One Piece supporters can be.

Luffy's rubber physiology doens't make Luffy take no damage, or even reduces a lot of the damage, as in Water 7, Sanji, who scales to Luffy, was able to make Luffy bleed with a single casual kick:

Mash, who scales above Sanji, should be able to damage Luffy with little difficulty.

What's stopping Mash from punishing Luffy when he stretches towards him, them dominate the fight with superior LS, superior AP, and his coolheaded nature?

This is only in the colored version. Does the black and white show blood there? Oda tends to draw impact marks without there being necessarily "damage" done.
That and Sanji is equally as shocked as the rest of the crew when Garp punts Luffy and it works. So his feat likely isn't durability bypassing. Luffy's phisiology negates attacks that are far beyond his tier when it comes to physical blows. Most of Mash's attacks aren't hurting Luffy, since the difference between them is less than x2, and Luffy can tank blows due to his physiology that would one shot anyone else at his level as far as we know.

Luffy likely outlasts. Reactive evolution, nigh-immunity to Mash's attacks, high enough reaction to catch characters FTE to himself, and Attack Power increase.
Voting Luffy. He can beat Mash before Mash can beat him, basically.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Luffy likely outlasts. Reactive evolution, nigh-immunity to Mash's attacks, high enough reaction to catch characters FTE to himself, and Attack Power increase

This really shows that the guy didn't even read the arguments for Mash

 

[SnookB]

AP: Mash with a casual hand movemen threw a scorpion so hard that it yields 31 kilotons.

Luffy scales above Robin, who damaged someone who almost died in a 23 kilotons explosion. This works more like downscale

So Mash has significantly an advantage here

"Significantly". A x2 advantage isn't enough to one shot. You have to stretch Luffy beyond his body's capabilities to hurt him via tearing or overstretching, and Luffy can stretch thousands of kilometers before he starts to tear. Mash isn't doing that with a x2 advantage, or a x5 advantage, or a x7 advantage. Luffy's damage absorption is ridiculously high and his resistance in this fight might as well be immunity because Mash has no means of harming him physically.

LS: Well, pretty obvious, Class T vs Class M. That's a bigger difference than a million times for Mash

Your only wincon is LS. Luffy can't get crushed. He gets literally FLATTENED by Moria and just shrugs it off. Unless you're suggesting he gets trapped?
This is assuming Luffy:
A: stands still and lets it happen
B: Gives Mash the time to even do that
C: Doesn't just punch his way out of whatever amount of rock he's put under, considering with consecutive blows via storm or attacks alike he can build up kinetic energy and blow straight through bedrock, or structures that far, far outweigh him or his LS.

Mash's only wincon is iffy.
Luffy's wincons are more solid. He can outlast Mash, can't be outpaced, can't get hurt physically, can't get BFR'd because he'd either Rocket back into the fight or grab onto Mash and rocket into him to continue fighting.
The only reason I'm voting Luffy is because he has more means of winning than Mash.

 

[SnookB]

This really shows that the guy didn't even read the arguments for Mash

Adding to that, your wincon is based on "initial distance" and Mash having prior knowledge that Luffy will be immune to his attacks. By the time Mash realizes Luffy is that resistant, he'd already be far too close to Luffy to have the time to trap him. And that's again- assuming Luffy waits for him to do that.

 

[KingTempest]

I really hate how disingenuous One Piece supporters can be.

Luffy's rubber physiology doens't make Luffy take no damage, or even reduces a lot of the damage, as in Water 7, Sanji, who scales to Luffy, was able to make Luffy bleed with a single casual kick:

Mash, who scales above Sanji, should be able to damage Luffy with little difficulty.

What's stopping Mash from punishing Luffy when he stretches towards him, them dominate the fight with superior LS, superior AP, and his coolheaded nature?

What's the problem with people not using their brain to think of plot induced stupidity as existing.

Lucci who scales above Sanji with a stronger move couldn't do it and then they attributed it to Luffy being rubber.

Stop finding 1 off moments and saying "it won't work", how many other times does Luffy not get hurt? He was surprised he got hurt from a haki hit by Rayleigh, someone 6-B.

Like just stop

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I will respond during the night.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Alright what did I miss, it seems like there's still some reasonings being shown.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Luffy is more skilled

You just said find exactly the weakness of the technique within moments, even when previously the same technique had almost killed him.
It's even mentioned that it the same attack will not work again with Mash.

I have not explained all of Mash's skill feats, otherwise the text would be much longer. The text you wrote is not something new for what Mash can do

Mash has already fought and defeated someone with hypersonic+ speed while he was in slow motion (A difference greater than 1000 times)

Able to dodge close-range attacks from various directions even though all his movements are limited

Can dodge two blades that chase the person even while suspended in the air

Can calculate and reflect an attack almost 8 times faster than him after seeing it only once

Can figure out the properties of sound after being hit a few times

Can calculate and perceive the magnetism that makes the opponent invulnerable, even when that magnetism is considered "several times stronger"

Can do this

Perfectly calculated the position of each enemy within a room to be able to hit them all at once with a single attempt

When Mash was a baby he was able to do this

Literally mentioned that he will be able to adapt to his opponent's style

This is enough to at least consider both comparable.

Luffy's Range which he can attach himself to something far away to pull himself up with and can use his very good intent and senses to move before he throws the big rock

Usually Mash uses the stone on his opponent to surround him. This stone usually strategically surrounds the opponent so that he has no chance to fight back. And then Luffy gets two options

1- He attacks the rock, but is then vulnerable to Mash's
2- He attacks Mash, but then the rock catches him

The enhanced senses won't be of much help, Margarette has extrasensory perception and was still caught, and she was even faster than Mash. This same strategy was used when the opponent was more than a thousand times faster than him

Luffy can also BFR Mash if luffy stretches far enough.

He can't, since Mash's LS is much bigger and because he flies

Honestly, it would be more plausible for the BFR to affect Luffy and not Mash

Luffy has Reactive Power Level which will make him surpasses Mash

Mash's reactive evolution is superior, honestly. In every fight he explicitly gets more powerful in a big way. In less than a day Mash was able to change from 7-C to 7-B+. He also managed to develop resistance to magic after a few seconds of fighting

Luffy's Supernatural Luck

Luffy's luck is not great in battles as far as I know, otherwise he would not have lost so many times

Btw, can Luffy be hanged?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"Significantly". A x2 advantage isn't enough to one shot. You have to stretch Luffy beyond his body's capabilities to hurt him via tearing or overstretching, and Luffy can stretch thousands of kilometers before he starts to tear. Mash isn't doing that with a x2 advantage, or a x5 advantage, or a x7 advantage. Luffy's damage absorption is ridiculously high and his resistance in this fight might as well be immunity because Mash has no means of harming him physically

Yeah, but you also basically forgot the part where the significant advantage of AP is also applied to Mash's durability

 

[KingTempest]

He can't, since Mash's LS is much bigger and because he flies

Honestly, it would be more plausible for the BFR to affect Luffy and not Mash

It's AP based, not lifting based

Mash's reactive evolution is superior, honestly. In every fight he explicitly gets more powerful in a big way. In less than a day Mash was able to change from 7-C to 7-B+. He also managed to develop resistance to magic after a few seconds of fighting

Luffy went from Low end 7-C to High 7-C just by taking a deep breath on Skypiea

Luffy's luck is not great in battles as far as I know, otherwise he would not have lost so many times

it's actually really good

Btw, can Luffy be hanged?

no

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It's AP based, not lifting based

Well, that's strange

But considering the fact that Mash is able to calculate and reflect an attack almost 8 times faster than him, it won't be hard to dodge the arms of someone comparable

it's actually really good

Like, the luck makes him survive, but within the fight itself?

 

[KingTempest]

Well, that's strange

But considering the fact that Mash is able to calculate and reflect an attack almost 8 times faster than him, it won't be hard to dodge the arms of someone comparable

That's fair

Luffy does get a blitz level of reactive evolution though, could argue it's well over 10x since his previous key was barely MHS+ and he went to the level of being Sub-Rel+.

Could keep up with an amped Kuro who was FTE to him prior,
Blitzed Enel who could move FTE to him (his next key is Sub-Rel+)
Kept up with an Amped Blueno who was faster than Luffy without his amp, etc.

Like, the luck makes him survive, but within the fight itself?

His head was about to get his head cut off by Buggy and lightning struck him.
Crocodile absorbed all his moisture and left him to die, a blob of water he spit up far into the sky rehydrated him.

It's stated that he always has a chance of survival, or rather, never has a 0% chance of survival.

And from what I see, Mash uses physical attacks?
(No I'm not saying it won't work like everyone else)
What stops Luffy from copying those attacks and using them against Mash?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

What stops Luffy from copying those attacks and using them against Mash?

I mean, if Mash knows his own moves, which would be safe to assume since he did preform them, couldn't he just evade them somehow due to attacks not working a second time on him? Seems like it'd go back and forth. Though then again, I'm not the best at explaining things, so maybe Life_Of_King can explain better.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Luffy does get a blitz level of reactive evolution though, could argue it's well over 10x since his previous key was barely MHS+ and he went to the level of being Sub-Rel+.

He does not develop this level of evolution during battles. Luffy fought Croc three times, and yet all three times he hadn't evolved dramatically in terms of strength. This increase occurs with each arc, but not during fights

Btw, I forgot that Mash has an amplifier that makes him faster than the reaction of opponents. You can see it in the speed section in the profile

His head was about to get his head cut off by Buggy and lightning struck him.
Crocodile absorbed all his moisture and left him to die, a blob of water he spit up far into the sky rehydrated him.

Yes, as I said, it helps him to survive. But it doesn't make the opponent magically miss an attack or make Luffy hit a critical point "just because yes"

What stops Luffy from copying those attacks and using them against Mash?

Nothing, but usually Mash's techniques are specific to nullify in terms of skill an opponent's technique. And also nothing stops him from adapting to his own movements (Like, if Mash can find the weakness of something he's see once, imagine when it's his own technique)

 

[KingTempest]

He does not develop this level of evolution during battles. Luffy fought Croc three times, and yet all three times he hadn't evolved dramatically in terms of strength. This increase occurs with each arc, but not during fights

It happened in the middle of the fight with Enel.

There was no way to show the difference in strength during the first and second battle for Crocodile. In the first fight, Luffy couldn't touch him. The second time, he could hurt him. The 3rd time he was poisoned and weakened, then he got strong enough (in seconds) to be stronger than Crocodile even while poisoned and to body him with attacks.

Crocodile's fight's actually a perfect example.

Btw, I forgot that Mash has an amplifier that makes him faster than the reaction of opponents. You can see it in the speed section in the profile

Doesn't mean much, Luffy's skilled enough to tag a super amped Kuro who he can't react to and slam him while he's visibly going FTE to him. Faster than his reactions doesn't mean much.

Yes, as I said, it helps him to survive. But it doesn't make the opponent magically miss an attack or make Luffy hit a critical point "just because yes"

Fair.

Nothing, but usually Mash's techniques are specific to nullify in terms of skill an opponent's technique. And also nothing stops him from adapting to his own movements (Like, if Mash can find the weakness of something he's see once, imagine when it's his own technique)

That's fair

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So, what's this leaning towards now? Also, can somebody tally up the votes so I can add them?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This is enough to at least consider both comparable.

I can see that... Tho some skill shown was just him utilizing his speed to win and using his intelligence more than skill to come up with very good plans and ideas

While luffy does everything that comes to mind

Usually Mash uses the stone on his opponent to surround him. This stone usually strategically surrounds the opponent so that he has no chance to fight back. And then Luffy gets two options

1- He attacks the rock, but is then vulnerable to Mash's
2- He attacks Mash, but then the rock catches him

Luffy's instinct here helps

But I'm confused... What do you mean by then the rock catches him?

Honestly, it would be more plausible for the BFR to affect Luffy and not Mash

probably just showed mash against someone who isn't even close to his power...

He can't, since Mash's LS is much bigger and because he flies

that's true, tho lifting strength doesn't matter if you get flown away

Luffy's luck is not great in battles as far as I know, otherwise he would not have lost so many times

he lost so many times and come back...

Btw, can Luffy be hanged?

yes? I don't even know what that means...

The enhanced senses won't be of much help, Margarette has extrasensory perception and was still caught, and she was even faster than Mash. This same strategy was used when the opponent was more than a thousand times faster than him

extrasensory perception is nothing like luffy's intent

 

[KingTempest]

extrasensory perception is nothing like luffy's intent

what

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Btw, I forgot that Mash has an amplifier that makes him faster than the reaction of opponents. You can see it in the speed section in the profile

Kuro with his base speed could do that luffy and luffy can still easily fight him...

luffy used his senses and intent to grab him while even being faster then his base that could move FTE to luffy

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

what

Extrasensory Perception makes you be able to know things around you without looking via sensing surroundings and stuff

That is nothing like luffy's intent where he just guesses and gets it right via instinct

What you mean by what?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

yes?

no

Is it yes or no? Because it changes everything

 

[joshpiece]

Luffy FRA

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Is it yes or no? Because it changes everything

Hanged... Like the suicide thing? No he can't die from that... He'll just stretch