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Mash Burnedead and the Leader of the Straw Hat Pirates (Mash Burnedead vs Monkey D. Luffy)
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The thing is you are bring feats and stuff but not actually bring many wincons... Mash can't do much and luffy will always use new things and techniques on the spot which means mash won't ever get used to luffy's trick and by that time... Luffy has already become faster and stronger faster than mash
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Honestly you would have to be pretty ignorant to say that
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Hmm... Luffy can stretch that but if he is stopping his air supply somehow then yes that can work
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To be fair here Mash can also get faster as the fight goes on
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Not really... What you are saying is things that would happen if luffy stood still
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He is stopping the air supply, asphyxiation, causing hallucinations.
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Yes... But not faster then luffy which is what I said
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Just pointing that out, in case if it's useful here
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Yee but with choking like mash did it wouldn't exactly work as luffy can stretch left and right which still makes him breath... You would need to strangle him with both hands around his neck
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Oh, doubt it, but Luffy (when losing air) doesn't go down too quick shown w/ the fight w/ Caesar, plus he could always just hit him with a bell in that position
Monkey if they block off his neck then he cannot breathe, you cannot bs Luffy through getting choked
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Luffy's sides will stretch... Mash isn't removing luffy's oxygen if it isn't fully around luffy's neck
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To be fair once more, Mash pulled off that feat in less than a second according to the narration. I know Luffy is made of rubber and all, thus it would most likely take longer, but would it really take that much longer? Keep in mind, I have only read up to the end of Alabasta, so I would have to have some explanations here.
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When Mash catches someone in this position the opponent loses his perception of reality, you can see it in the link. He can also choke in different positions, like here
Mash has the ability to take people by surprise who are like Raymen, which is able to feel his "immense pressure".
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No it doesn't... Your arm isn't round your neck. It stops oxygen from the front and the you can't escape behind and the other sides because your bones doesn't let you... Luffy can slip through that with the small areas that are left...
I mean it is very hard to choke something rubbery when it stands still, a moving rubber can escape easily
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Luffy got the oxygen ripped out of his body and was still able to keep going for a good amount of seconds. He'll be fine.
That's if they fully lose their air. Instead of Luffy completely losing his air, his just gets flattened or squeezed, which'll let a little bit of oxygen go through.
Luffy can go a long ass time without air and still be fully conscious, like when he was drowning underwater for a long ass time and get his lungs filled with water in Arlong Park. Regardless of the abilities affects on regular humans, it's clear that Luffy isn't a regular human, and that he won't lose all his air cause of his body's mechanics
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Was Luffy not able to eat Croc the first time? Anyway
At the beginning of the battle against Orter, Mash was much weaker than the strength of his sand and had to sacrifice his tennis shoes to escape. At the end of the fight, when Orter finally takes him seriously, Mash manages to escape from a prison quickly (This at the same time that he had several cuts on his body)
Mash has already been completely defeated against a puppet in all terms. A few hours later he was able to defeat 3 puppet simultaneously
In a few moments he was able to adapt to Lance's gravity manipulation and increase his speed
There are other examples. It is certain that Mash is slow in developing his speed (Damn, the guy hasn't left Subsonic until today). But in terms of LS and AP he can go far beyond the normal
Yeah, but now who is faster than reactions is also skilled
I mean, Mash was able to hang someone he couldn't even hurt. I don't see how it would be difficult for Mash to make Luffy lose his air completely, since he has a comparable or even inferior body (If not for the rubber physiology)
Fair
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He increased his speed by generating power combined with the gravity to lunch himself to him fast
kuro is one of the smartest in East blue but true
Something similar to this will happen
Did he train or workout or something. What happened between those hours?
I didn't understand... What is this supposed to show?
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He can eat him because he's sand, but he can't land hits on him. That was a plot point, he couldn't harm him without using water.
If they're both growing at high rates, then what makes it to where Mash gets to a blitzable advantage?
Question above plus the fact that Luffy's ridiculous range and attack style is most likely more unpredictable than what he's used to.
Luffy'll throw a punch. He'll try to move, boom Luffy's hand whips and covers the people in the area.
Couldn't hurt them because of durability, not because of physiology.
If he squeezes Luffy's body, it just flattens.
Chokeholds happen by blocking off arteries that carry blood to the brain and using the other bones as a support so it doesn't just break through the neck, but just enough pressure to where the artery is blocked.
Luffy's arteries are rubber. They aren't falling under that principal.
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I have Luffy making him dizzy with a Pinwheel or a Ozuchi, then BFRing him with a quadruple Gomu Bazooka.
Luffy for these reasons
Luffy for these reasons
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So what I'm getting at here, is that this may just come down to stamina? They both grow at fast rates, so it may just continue and continue right?
Edit: R.I.P me for not checking new messages
Edit: R.I.P me for not checking new messages
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Don't get me started on his stamina
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Kinda Yes but the thing is luffy has the range and damage boost which is a problem for mash
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To be fair for the thrice time, Mash can react to attacks even when unconscious, but counted.
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Now what's the count of votes from this thread? It's hard to read through it currently.
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I did not know that.
Well to elaborate just so it doesn't make it an unfair "he voted for false reasons yadayadayada".
Luffy can pin people into the surrounding area.
He can use Bowgun and send him stuck inside of a building.
He can use Tsuchi and get him stuck in the ground.
He has shown multiple ways to get him stuck long enough to use his technique, and I know for sure that he could make more.
He gets him stuck, then BFRs him onto a different island/country/continent
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Why would BFR work or even hit mash? Luffy has to stretch his arms over 20 kilometers to do this and Mash can still fly
Also, does the BFR really work against characters comparable to Luffy? Could you at least show an example?
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Yeah I get ya, just giving a little bit of information before the votes start rolling in and I get to make another Mash thread.
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That does help but losing signals from the brain and getting false information from the brain is a little different
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He meant like this
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With enough rotation he can BFR
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A little agitated there but eh. But yeah, trying to bury him wouldn't work well considering he can burrow underground really well.
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Ah yes, Luffy will do that with someone who can perceive danger before it happens, Analytical Prediction, an LS over a million times stronger and with underground mobility
Everyone who was defeated in this scene are simply extras
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That doesn't really help him...
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I mean, it kinda does? If hes ablebto sense an attack before it happens, he could dodge it, especially when Mash is so flexible he can twist and turn mid-air. He could also try burrowing underground and dragging Luffy down neck deep, like he did with Margaret. Though I don't know how this would work, so eh.
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perceive danger...
predictive analytics
an LS over a million times stronger
with underground mobility
Doesn't help getting grabbed in speed equal While mash doesn't know anything about luffy and his stretchyness
I would assume the longer the fight goes on, the easier it will be to luffy to do that is what tempest meant
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Clearly someone who is able to dodge several close-range attacks even with all limited movement will be hit with a spinning kick
Genius
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If that was speed equalized he wouldn't have escaped
You can see that when he moves his hands faster then the two things that will hit him
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