Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Since Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?

Minor bump

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Since Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?

Probably, yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Would Galactus have two 2-C keys?
Or should we do something like this
“2-C, Far higher while moderately fed"

What do the rest of you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Since Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?

This seems reasonable, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

The devil Hulk's Planet level/5-B justifications need to either be edited so the 3-C statistics scale from Thor instead, or be removed entirely.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)

I already edited the She-Hulk page, as it also didn't make sense, given the characters that she is stated to scale from. I hope that this is fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7750629&oldid=7749820

 

[Eseseso]

IMO we should keep the keys for Galactus the same (since it's not the first time 2 separate keys are the same tier)

There's just too much of a difference between Starving Galactus and MF Galactus for it to be one key.

 

[LordTracer]

Poorly Fed Galactus and Moderately Fed Galactus should remain separate. Being the same tier doesn’t mean they need to be merged.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This seems reasonable, yes.

Done.

 

[Eseseso]

Poorly Fed Galactus and Moderately Fed Galactus should remain separate. Being the same tier doesn’t mean they need to be merged.

Yeah, there's a lot of characters with separate keys on the same tier.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I already edited the She-Hulk page, as it also didn't make sense, given the characters that she is stated to scale from. I hope that this is fine.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7750629&oldid=7749820

Looks alright

The devil Hulk's Planet level/5-B justifications need to either be edited so the 3-C statistics scale from Thor instead, or be removed entirely.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)

Not sure about Devil Hulk's scaling to this Thor, given how I'm pretty sure he is basically Unworthy Thor (who is currently treated as 5-B on this wiki) but with fodder uru hammers much weaker than Mjolnir, as well as generally portrayed weaker than his normal self and/or has really stupid PIS

But aside from that, I guess Devil Hulk's 5-B statistics could scale from Thing instead?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

What do the rest of you think about this?

I agree with LordTracer and Eseseso

 

[NHTkenshin2]

How many profiles left do we need to upgrade?
Also can someone make sure all the profiles that have been edited are actually accurate?

 

[Excellence616]

What of this page?

Avengers (1960s Team)

When Loki, the Asgardian God of Mischief, influenced the monstrous Hulk to destroy a railway line, the Hulk's friend, Rick Jones, and his Teen Brigade attempted to radio the Fantastic Four for help. However, Loki relayed the information to his brother instead, the God of Thunder and wielder of...

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[Marvel_Champion_07]

How many profiles left do we need to upgrade?

The Beyonders and Magus needs to be unlocked before they can be updated

 

[Excellence616]

I already edited the She-Hulk page, as it also didn't make sense, given the characters that she is stated to scale from. I hope that this is fine.

It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.

 

[Antvasima]

Poorly Fed Galactus and Moderately Fed Galactus should remain separate. Being the same tier doesn’t mean they need to be merged.

Maybe poorly fed Galactus can get a "3-C to 2-C" tier, and moderately-fed Galactus can get an "At least 2-C" tier?

 

[Antvasima]

Looks alright

Not sure about Devil Hulk's scaling to this Thor, given how I'm pretty sure he is basically Unworthy Thor (who is currently treated as 5-B on this wiki) but with fodder uru hammers much weaker than Mjolnir, as well as generally portrayed weaker than his normal self and/or has really stupid PIS

But aside from that, I guess Devil Hulk's 5-B statistics could scale from Thing instead?

Yes, I suppose that we could either add the phrase "unworthy" before Thor, or only scale base level devil Hulk from the Thing instead. We do not have a statistics key for unworthy Thor though.

What do do the rest of you think that we should do in this case?

 

[Antvasima]

The Beyonders and Magus needs to be unlocked before they can be updated

I will handle it. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Antvasima]

How many profiles left do we need to upgrade?

Well, we likely have to check through quite a lot of the following pages:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Antvasima/DPL#Marvel_Tier_3

Also can someone make sure all the profiles that have been edited are actually accurate?

The ones I have checked so far seemed acceptable, but I am already overworked, so I would appreciate help from others with this task.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Yes, I suppose that we could either add the phrase "unworthy" before Thor, or only scale base level devil Hulk from the Thing instead.

Either one is fine by me.

We do not have a statistics key for unworthy Thor though.

That is definitely an issue to be solved sooner or later. But based on the characters that scale to him, Unworthy Thor seems to be treated as 5-B right now

I will handle it. Tell me here when you are done.

I've made the edits

 

[Excellence616]

It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.

 

[Antvasima]

Either one is fine by me.

That is definitely an issue to be solved sooner or later. But based on the characters that scale to him, Unworthy Thor seems to be treated as 5-B right now

I have tried to solve the issue with the following edits:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)?type=revision&diff=7752145&oldid=7749797

Is this acceptable?

Also, our Hulk page linked above has several Discord image links that need to be replaced as quickly as possible.

I've made the edits

Thank you. I have locked the pages.

Anyway, how is this project proceeding? Do we have many pages left to revise?

 

[Antvasima]

It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.

Is this what you had in mind?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7752156&oldid=7750629

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I have tried to solve the issue with the following edits:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)?type=revision&diff=7752145&oldid=7749797

Is this acceptable?

Hmm. I'd personally prefer something like this, but that's just me:

Varies (Although the Devil Hulk has more control over Banner and thus is more brutal and stronger than the Savage Hulk, he is still restricted by Bruce Banner's and his own moral code) from Planet level (Overpowered Unworthy Thor, Hulkbuster Iron Man and The Thing) to Galaxy level, Low Multiverse level at peak (Overpowered a very angry Celestial-amplified She-Hulk)

Thank you. I have locked the pages.

Thank you. Though now I notice an extra bracket under The Beyonders' Striking Strength, but it's just a minor mistake

Low Multiversal ((Stabs through Starbrand)

Anyway, how is this project proceeding? Do we have many pages left to revise?

I'll double check later today, but I don't think there are many left

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I'd personally prefer something like this, but that's just me:

Well, unworthy Thor was not supposed to be physically inferior to base worthy Thor, just to not have nearly as many powers (via Mjolnir).

Thank you. Though now I notice an extra bracket under The Beyonders' Striking Strength, but it's just a minor mistake

I handled it.

I'll double check later today, but I don't think there are many left

Okay. That is good then. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Excellence616]

Is this what you had in mind?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7752156&oldid=7750629

No more like

Low Multiverse level at peak (Considerably stronger than before after been enhanced by Eson. Held her own against Terrax. Comparable to Thor. Drew blood from the Devil Hulk at her peak rage) or

Note: She-Hulk was amplified by Eson that is why she is comparable Devil Hulk and Thor.

 

[Antvasima]

How about this then?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7752170&oldid=7752156

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Well, unworthy Thor was not supposed to be physically inferior to base worthy Thor, just to not have nearly as many powers (via Mjolnir).

I guess. I'm just basing off how the wiki currently treats Unworthy Thor as a 5-B character. But if we're not gonna use him for Devil Hulk's 5-B, then 3-C or 2-C is alright, but given how this Thor is constantly getting jobbed, 3-C seems like the safer option while 2-C feels too high

 

[Antvasima]

3-C is probably fine for him, yes. Does anybody have a list of his highest feats?

 

[Excellence616]

How about this then?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7752170&oldid=7752156

Yes. Exactly

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Does anybody have a list of his highest feats?

I remember that this Thor beat up jobber Odin (the same one who was so weak he fought evenly against Jane Foster Thor)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We might need to give him a similar rating to Jane Foster Thor then.

 

[Excellence616]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

So is somebody willing to write some justifications for scaling unworthy Thor to "5-B, 3-C at peak"? Or is that a bad idea?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Jane_Foster_(Marvel_Comics)

Also, what else is currently left to do here?

 

[Eficiente]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?diff=next&oldid=7747206

Removing "5-B when holding back" was a mistake, characters still scale to that while linking his profile and it removes information that matters for no reason, this explains how the character operates with his stats, why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove it? Somebody fix that.

Also, "3-C normally" used to be called when "3-C when not holding back" before someone changed it because the wording was "probably better". This is bad, "normally" implies that in most cases Thor is 3-C, when he isn't, "5-B when holding back" almost got called "5-B normally". Either change it back or have each explanatory text in his stats explain what it is this is representing; Thor when not holding back to make himself weaker while still being able to get stronger with higher efforts.

I recommend this at the start of his AP: "Planet level when holding back (...the rest that was already there...), Galaxy level when not holding back (This refers to Thor when he isn't withholding his full strength as he is accustomed to. This are his regular stats while not making himself actively weaker, meaning that following physical stats apply the same conditions in addition to more effort from Thor's part. (...the rest...) )... "

And in the Explanations the following should be added with a few updates:

• (replacing the first image)Explicitly stated that he holds back his might so that people don't die from his hits<ref>The Avengers (1963)/vol 1 issue 149 - April 20, 1976</ref>.
• (in the second image. It should be moved as the last)<ref>What If? Civil War Vol 1 1 - Granted, What If?s stories aren't used for our profiles. Take this as supporting evidence.</ref>
• Thor states that he rarely strikes foes with the full power of Mjolnir, but he chose not to hold back in an occasion against Juggernaut<ref>Thor Vol 1/(1966) issue 429</ref>.
• Part of Odin's goals after sending a depowered Thor to Earth was to teach him humility, letting mortal champions (the Avengers) train him to "keep his strength in reign around those lesser in power". Other threats he faced like aliens and mortals of vast power (like the Absorbing Man) were likely referred to as being lesser in power<ref>Thor Annual Vol 1 11 - August 16, 1983</ref>.
• While being partially out-of-character due to external concerns, Thor eventually hit a robotic foe without holding back during their fight, stating that life along mortals has caused him to withhold his full strength at times, with this being an exception<ref>Thor (1998) issue 9</ref>.
• (replacing the image in the middle)Stated that he had previously held back his full strength against a character<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 12</ref>.
• Using physical strength and his powers, Thor attacked a foe whose powers gave her an advantage in combat while himself still holding back, getting called out by her enemy<ref>Juggernaut: The Eighth Day (1999)</ref> regardless of the disadvantage this will inevitably lead to.
• While motivated due to loved ones having died and being in desperate times, Thor reached deep within himself for a strength never fully realized before (the comic being from September, 2004). This killed and fried a godly foe that was previously matching Thor (though it didn't annihilate his body, as Thor's stats in this profile may imply)<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 82</ref>. This shows how even when Thor isn't holding back his power along mortals as he classically does, he can still reach higher levels of power by sheer effort, despite how intuitive it would be to say that a Thor "not holding back" should mean that he is already using the absolute peak of his capabilities.
• While troubled and holding back more than usually, Thor thought he had hit a foe with "the full force of Mjolnir" without knowing he was actually holding back, then he hit that enemy with more force but still making sure to not kill him<ref>Thor Vol 3 Annual issue 1</ref>.
• While hunting down an uncontrolled Wolverine, Thor was around his same speed and harmed his claws, until Thor angrily had enough after Wolverine pushed his patience to its very limits, with Thor one-shotting him while still making sure to have his friend unharmed<ref>Wolverine vs Thor (2009)</ref>. Thor's consistently shown to be stronger than this when holding back though.
• All-Father Thor could not initially deal with several Juggernauts and was harmed by them, but when he noticed they had no soul he decided to not have mercy on them, destroying them in one attack<ref>Death of Doctor Strange: Avengers Vol 1 1</ref>.
• Thor got beat up and was seemingly helpless by a group of trolls, their king & a human transformed into a minotaur, then Thor reasoned out load all their evil deeds, attributes, the strength of the minotaur and how he is no longer a human, thus concluding that it means that he shouldn't hold back<ref>Thor: God of Thunder Vol 1 issue 23</ref>.
• Odin told Bruce Banner that Thor often holds back displaying the sheer scope of Mjolnir's power, and Odin wasn't sure if Bruce would believe him. Beta Ray Bill stated that Hulk never fought the real Thor, that in the past when they fought it was against the Avenger Thor, a humble and noble Thor, and that the reason why he was cast down on Earth was to learn humility, honor & to wild his power with mercy<ref>Hulk Vol 5/(2021) issue 8</ref>.

Given on this examples, we can infer that Thor limits his own power when any of this base reasons are met:

• Thor's on Earth.
• Thor is dealing with human affairs and threats.
• Thor is battling mortals or is unaware of the power of his foes being on par with his own (when not holding back).
• Thor is making sure to not kill his enemies, especially if he cares for them.
• Thor is seeking the thrill of combat.
• Thor is accustomed to any of the former factors.

 

[Vasco]

Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer, etc., will get "3-C normally, 2-C at peak" and Infinite lifting strength (via scaling to Hercules' casual heavens feat)

Those who do and do not receive 2-C scaling are listed here:

Marvel Champion 07/Marvel Comics Herald Tiers scaling chain

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Sorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?

 

[Antvasima]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?diff=next&oldid=7747206

Removing "5-B when holding back" was a mistake, characters still scale to that while linking his profile and it removes information that matters for no reason, this explains how the character operates with his stats, why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove it? Somebody fix that.

Also, "3-C normally" used to be called when "3-C when not holding back" before someone changed it because the wording was "probably better". This is bad, "normally" implies that in most cases Thor is 3-C, when he isn't, "5-B when holding back" almost got called "5-B normally". Either change it back or have each explanatory text in his stats explain what it is this is representing; Thor when not holding back to make himself weaker while still being able to get stronger with higher efforts.

I recommend this at the start of his AP: "Planet level when holding back (...the rest that was already there...), Galaxy level when not holding back (This refers to Thor when he isn't withholding his full strength as he is accustomed to. This are his regular stats while not making himself actively weaker, meaning that following physical stats apply the same conditions in addition to more effort from Thor's part. (...the rest...) )... "

And in the Explanations the following should be added with a few updates:

• (replacing the first image)Explicitly stated that he holds back his might so that people don't die from his hits<ref>The Avengers (1963)/vol 1 issue 149</ref>.
• While being partially out-of-character due to external concerns, Thor eventually hit a robotic foe without holding back during their fight, stating that life along mortals has caused him to withhold his full strength at times, with this being an exception<ref>Thor (1998) issue 9</ref>.
• (replacing the image in the middle)Stated that he had previously held back his full strength against a character<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 12</ref>.
• Using physical strength and his powers, Thor attacked a foe whose powers gave her an advantage in combat while himself still holding back, getting called out by her enemy<ref>Juggernaut: The Eighth Day (1999)</ref> regardless of the disadvantage this will inevitably lead to.
• While motivated due to loved ones having died and being in desperate times, Thor reached deep within himself for a strength never fully realized before (the comic being from September, 2004). This killed and fried a godly foe that was previously matching Thor (though it didn't annihilate his body, as Thor's stats in this profile may imply)<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 82</ref>. This shows how even when Thor isn't holding back his power along mortals as he classically does, he can still reach higher levels of power by sheer effort, despite how intuitive it would be to say that a Thor "not holding back" should mean that he is already using the absolute peak of his capabilities.
• While troubled and holding back more than usually, Thor thought he had hit a foe with "the full force of Mjolnir" without knowing he was actually holding back, then he hit that enemy with more force but still making sure to not kill him<ref>Thor Vol 3 Annual issue 1</ref>.
• While hunting down an uncontrolled Wolverine, Thor was around his same speed and harmed his claws, until Thor angrily had enough after Wolverine pushed his patience to its very limits, with Thor one-shotting him while still making sure to have his friend unharmed<ref>Wolverine vs Thor (2009)</ref>. Thor's consistently shown to be stronger than this when holding back though.

Given on this examples, we can infer that Thor limits his own power when any of this base reasons are met:

• Thor's on Earth.
• Thor is dealing with human affairs and threats.
• Thor is battling mortals or is unaware of the power of his foes being on par with his own (when not holding back).
• Thor is making sure to not kill his enemies, especially if he cares for them.
• Thor is seeking the thrill of combat.
• Thor is accustomed to any of the former factors.

Eficiente seems to make very good points above.

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?

Yes, but we cannot fit it under the 3-C justification, so it was placed as supporting evidence for 2-C instead.

It might be better to only place it under lifting strength along with in a feats list section instead though.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?diff=next&oldid=7747206

Removing "5-B when holding back" was a mistake, characters still scale to that while linking his profile and it removes information that matters for no reason, this explains how the character operates with his stats, why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove it? Somebody fix that.

Also, "3-C normally" used to be called when "3-C when not holding back" before someone changed it because the wording was "probably better". This is bad, "normally" implies that in most cases Thor is 3-C, when he isn't, "5-B when holding back" almost got called "5-B normally". Either change it back or have each explanatory text in his stats explain what it is this is representing; Thor when not holding back to make himself weaker while still being able to get stronger with higher efforts.

I recommend this at the start of his AP: "Planet level when holding back (...the rest that was already there...), Galaxy level when not holding back (This refers to Thor when he isn't withholding his full strength as he is accustomed to. This are his regular stats while not making himself actively weaker, meaning that following physical stats apply the same conditions in addition to more effort from Thor's part. (...the rest...) )... "

And in the Explanations the following should be added with a few updates:

• (replacing the first image)Explicitly stated that he holds back his might so that people don't die from his hits<ref>The Avengers (1963)/vol 1 issue 149</ref>.
• While being partially out-of-character due to external concerns, Thor eventually hit a robotic foe without holding back during their fight, stating that life along mortals has caused him to withhold his full strength at times, with this being an exception<ref>Thor (1998) issue 9</ref>.
• (replacing the image in the middle)Stated that he had previously held back his full strength against a character<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 12</ref>.
• Using physical strength and his powers, Thor attacked a foe whose powers gave her an advantage in combat while himself still holding back, getting called out by her enemy<ref>Juggernaut: The Eighth Day (1999)</ref> regardless of the disadvantage this will inevitably lead to.
• While motivated due to loved ones having died and being in desperate times, Thor reached deep within himself for a strength never fully realized before (the comic being from September, 2004). This killed and fried a godly foe that was previously matching Thor (though it didn't annihilate his body, as Thor's stats in this profile may imply)<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 82</ref>. This shows how even when Thor isn't holding back his power along mortals as he classically does, he can still reach higher levels of power by sheer effort, despite how intuitive it would be to say that a Thor "not holding back" should mean that he is already using the absolute peak of his capabilities.
• While troubled and holding back more than usually, Thor thought he had hit a foe with "the full force of Mjolnir" without knowing he was actually holding back, then he hit that enemy with more force but still making sure to not kill him<ref>Thor Vol 3 Annual issue 1</ref>.
• While hunting down an uncontrolled Wolverine, Thor was around his same speed and harmed his claws, until Thor angrily had enough after Wolverine pushed his patience to its very limits, with Thor one-shotting him while still making sure to have his friend unharmed<ref>Wolverine vs Thor (2009)</ref>. Thor's consistently shown to be stronger than this when holding back though.

Given on this examples, we can infer that Thor limits his own power when any of this base reasons are met:

• Thor's on Earth.
• Thor is dealing with human affairs and threats.
• Thor is battling mortals or is unaware of the power of his foes being on par with his own (when not holding back).
• Thor is making sure to not kill his enemies, especially if he cares for them.
• Thor is seeking the thrill of combat.
• Thor is accustomed to any of the former factors.

Agreed, was confused on why it was removed it was obviously important

Sorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?

This is referring to people scaling to hercules lifting strength, not AP
AP comes from here