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Minor bumpSince Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?
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Minor bumpSince Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?
Probably, yeahSince Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?
What do the rest of you think about this?Would Galactus have two 2-C keys?
Or should we do something like this
“2-C, Far higher while moderately fed"
This seems reasonable, yes.Since Godzilla was updated to have Infinite LS, could I do the same with the characters that scale from him?
Done.This seems reasonable, yes.
Yeah, there's a lot of characters with separate keys on the same tier.Poorly Fed Galactus and Moderately Fed Galactus should remain separate. Being the same tier doesn’t mean they need to be merged.
Looks alrightI already edited the She-Hulk page, as it also didn't make sense, given the characters that she is stated to scale from. I hope that this is fine.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7750629&oldid=7749820
Not sure about Devil Hulk's scaling to this Thor, given how I'm pretty sure he is basically Unworthy Thor (who is currently treated as 5-B on this wiki) but with fodder uru hammers much weaker than Mjolnir, as well as generally portrayed weaker than his normal self and/or has really stupid PISThe devil Hulk's Planet level/5-B justifications need to either be edited so the 3-C statistics scale from Thor instead, or be removed entirely.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)
I agree with LordTracer and EsesesoWhat do the rest of you think about this?
What of this page?
Avengers (1960s Team)
When Loki, the Asgardian God of Mischief, influenced the monstrous Hulk to destroy a railway line, the Hulk's friend, Rick Jones, and his Teen Brigade attempted to radio the Fantastic Four for help. However, Loki relayed the information to his brother instead, the God of Thunder and wielder of...vsbattles.fandom.com
The Beyonders and Magus needs to be unlocked before they can be updatedHow many profiles left do we need to upgrade?
It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.I already edited the She-Hulk page, as it also didn't make sense, given the characters that she is stated to scale from. I hope that this is fine.
Maybe poorly fed Galactus can get a "3-C to 2-C" tier, and moderately-fed Galactus can get an "At least 2-C" tier?Poorly Fed Galactus and Moderately Fed Galactus should remain separate. Being the same tier doesn’t mean they need to be merged.
Yes, I suppose that we could either add the phrase "unworthy" before Thor, or only scale base level devil Hulk from the Thing instead. We do not have a statistics key for unworthy Thor though.Looks alright
Not sure about Devil Hulk's scaling to this Thor, given how I'm pretty sure he is basically Unworthy Thor (who is currently treated as 5-B on this wiki) but with fodder uru hammers much weaker than Mjolnir, as well as generally portrayed weaker than his normal self and/or has really stupid PIS
But aside from that, I guess Devil Hulk's 5-B statistics could scale from Thing instead?
I will handle it. Tell me here when you are done.The Beyonders and Magus needs to be unlocked before they can be updated
Well, we likely have to check through quite a lot of the following pages:How many profiles left do we need to upgrade?
The ones I have checked so far seemed acceptable, but I am already overworked, so I would appreciate help from others with this task.Also can someone make sure all the profiles that have been edited are actually accurate?
Either one is fine by me.Yes, I suppose that we could either add the phrase "unworthy" before Thor, or only scale base level devil Hulk from the Thing instead.
That is definitely an issue to be solved sooner or later. But based on the characters that scale to him, Unworthy Thor seems to be treated as 5-B right nowWe do not have a statistics key for unworthy Thor though.
I've made the editsI will handle it. Tell me here when you are done.
It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.
I have tried to solve the issue with the following edits:Either one is fine by me.
That is definitely an issue to be solved sooner or later. But based on the characters that scale to him, Unworthy Thor seems to be treated as 5-B right now
Thank you. I have locked the pages.I've made the edits
Is this what you had in mind?It would be better if you added a celestial amplified She-Hulk to her 2-C key.
Hmm. I'd personally prefer something like this, but that's just me:I have tried to solve the issue with the following edits:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hulk_(Marvel_Comics)?type=revision&diff=7752145&oldid=7749797
Is this acceptable?
Varies (Although the Devil Hulk has more control over Banner and thus is more brutal and stronger than the Savage Hulk, he is still restricted by Bruce Banner's and his own moral code) from Planet level (Overpowered Unworthy Thor, Hulkbuster Iron Man and The Thing) to Galaxy level, Low Multiverse level at peak (Overpowered a very angry Celestial-amplified She-Hulk)
Thank you. Though now I notice an extra bracket under The Beyonders' Striking Strength, but it's just a minor mistakeThank you. I have locked the pages.
Low Multiversal ((Stabs through Starbrand)
I'll double check later today, but I don't think there are many leftAnyway, how is this project proceeding? Do we have many pages left to revise?
Well, unworthy Thor was not supposed to be physically inferior to base worthy Thor, just to not have nearly as many powers (via Mjolnir).Hmm. I'd personally prefer something like this, but that's just me:
I handled it.Thank you. Though now I notice an extra bracket under The Beyonders' Striking Strength, but it's just a minor mistake
Okay. That is good then. Thank you for helping out.I'll double check later today, but I don't think there are many left
No more likeIs this what you had in mind?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/She-Hulk?type=revision&diff=7752156&oldid=7750629
Low Multiverse level at peak (Considerably stronger than before after been enhanced by Eson. Held her own against Terrax. Comparable to Thor. Drew blood from the Devil Hulk at her peak rage) or
Note: She-Hulk was amplified by Eson that is why she is comparable Devil Hulk and Thor.
I guess. I'm just basing off how the wiki currently treats Unworthy Thor as a 5-B character. But if we're not gonna use him for Devil Hulk's 5-B, then 3-C or 2-C is alright, but given how this Thor is constantly getting jobbed, 3-C seems like the safer option while 2-C feels too highWell, unworthy Thor was not supposed to be physically inferior to base worthy Thor, just to not have nearly as many powers (via Mjolnir).
Yes. Exactly
I remember that this Thor beat up jobber Odin (the same one who was so weak he fought evenly against Jane Foster Thor)Does anybody have a list of his highest feats?
Sorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer, etc., will get "3-C normally, 2-C at peak" and Infinite lifting strength (via scaling to Hercules' casual heavens feat)
Those who do and do not receive 2-C scaling are listed here:
Marvel Champion 07/Marvel Comics Herald Tiers scaling chain
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Eficiente seems to make very good points above.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?diff=next&oldid=7747206
Removing "5-B when holding back" was a mistake, characters still scale to that while linking his profile and it removes information that matters for no reason, this explains how the character operates with his stats, why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove it? Somebody fix that.
Also, "3-C normally" used to be called when "3-C when not holding back" before someone changed it because the wording was "probably better". This is bad, "normally" implies that in most cases Thor is 3-C, when he isn't, "5-B when holding back" almost got called "5-B normally". Either change it back or have each explanatory text in his stats explain what it is this is representing; Thor when not holding back to make himself weaker while still being able to get stronger with higher efforts.
I recommend this at the start of his AP: "Planet level when holding back (...the rest that was already there...), Galaxy level when not holding back (This refers to Thor when he isn't withholding his full strength as he is accustomed to. This are his regular stats while not making himself actively weaker, meaning that following physical stats apply the same conditions in addition to more effort from Thor's part. (...the rest...) )... "
And in the Explanations the following should be added with a few updates:
Given on this examples, we can infer that Thor limits his own power when any of this base reasons are met:
- (replacing the first image)Explicitly stated that he holds back his might so that people don't die from his hits<ref>The Avengers (1963)/vol 1 issue 149</ref>.
- While being partially out-of-character due to external concerns, Thor eventually hit a robotic foe without holding back during their fight, stating that life along mortals has caused him to withhold his full strength at times, with this being an exception<ref>Thor (1998) issue 9</ref>.
- (replacing the image in the middle)Stated that he had previously held back his full strength against a character<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 12</ref>.
- Using physical strength and his powers, Thor attacked a foe whose powers gave her an advantage in combat while himself still holding back, getting called out by her enemy<ref>Juggernaut: The Eighth Day (1999)</ref> regardless of the disadvantage this will inevitably lead to.
- While motivated due to loved ones having died and being in desperate times, Thor reached deep within himself for a strength never fully realized before (the comic being from September, 2004). This killed and fried a godly foe that was previously matching Thor (though it didn't annihilate his body, as Thor's stats in this profile may imply)<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 82</ref>. This shows how even when Thor isn't holding back his power along mortals as he classically does, he can still reach higher levels of power by sheer effort, despite how intuitive it would be to say that a Thor "not holding back" should mean that he is already using the absolute peak of his capabilities.
- While troubled and holding back more than usually, Thor thought he had hit a foe with "the full force of Mjolnir" without knowing he was actually holding back, then he hit that enemy with more force but still making sure to not kill him<ref>Thor Vol 3 Annual issue 1</ref>.
- While hunting down an uncontrolled Wolverine, Thor was around his same speed and harmed his claws, until Thor angrily had enough after Wolverine pushed his patience to its very limits, with Thor one-shotting him while still making sure to have his friend unharmed<ref>Wolverine vs Thor (2009)</ref>. Thor's consistently shown to be stronger than this when holding back though.
- Thor's on Earth.
- Thor is dealing with human affairs and threats.
- Thor is battling mortals or is unaware of the power of his foes being on par with his own (when not holding back).
- Thor is making sure to not kill his enemies, especially if he cares for them.
- Thor is seeking the thrill of combat.
- Thor is accustomed to any of the former factors.
Yes, but we cannot fit it under the 3-C justification, so it was placed as supporting evidence for 2-C instead.Sorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?
Agreed, was confused on why it was removed it was obviously importanthttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)?diff=next&oldid=7747206
Removing "5-B when holding back" was a mistake, characters still scale to that while linking his profile and it removes information that matters for no reason, this explains how the character operates with his stats, why would anyone think it was a good idea to remove it? Somebody fix that.
Also, "3-C normally" used to be called when "3-C when not holding back" before someone changed it because the wording was "probably better". This is bad, "normally" implies that in most cases Thor is 3-C, when he isn't, "5-B when holding back" almost got called "5-B normally". Either change it back or have each explanatory text in his stats explain what it is this is representing; Thor when not holding back to make himself weaker while still being able to get stronger with higher efforts.
I recommend this at the start of his AP: "Planet level when holding back (...the rest that was already there...), Galaxy level when not holding back (This refers to Thor when he isn't withholding his full strength as he is accustomed to. This are his regular stats while not making himself actively weaker, meaning that following physical stats apply the same conditions in addition to more effort from Thor's part. (...the rest...) )... "
And in the Explanations the following should be added with a few updates:
Given on this examples, we can infer that Thor limits his own power when any of this base reasons are met:
- (replacing the first image)Explicitly stated that he holds back his might so that people don't die from his hits<ref>The Avengers (1963)/vol 1 issue 149</ref>.
- While being partially out-of-character due to external concerns, Thor eventually hit a robotic foe without holding back during their fight, stating that life along mortals has caused him to withhold his full strength at times, with this being an exception<ref>Thor (1998) issue 9</ref>.
- (replacing the image in the middle)Stated that he had previously held back his full strength against a character<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 12</ref>.
- Using physical strength and his powers, Thor attacked a foe whose powers gave her an advantage in combat while himself still holding back, getting called out by her enemy<ref>Juggernaut: The Eighth Day (1999)</ref> regardless of the disadvantage this will inevitably lead to.
- While motivated due to loved ones having died and being in desperate times, Thor reached deep within himself for a strength never fully realized before (the comic being from September, 2004). This killed and fried a godly foe that was previously matching Thor (though it didn't annihilate his body, as Thor's stats in this profile may imply)<ref>Thor Vol 2/(1998) issue 82</ref>. This shows how even when Thor isn't holding back his power along mortals as he classically does, he can still reach higher levels of power by sheer effort, despite how intuitive it would be to say that a Thor "not holding back" should mean that he is already using the absolute peak of his capabilities.
- While troubled and holding back more than usually, Thor thought he had hit a foe with "the full force of Mjolnir" without knowing he was actually holding back, then he hit that enemy with more force but still making sure to not kill him<ref>Thor Vol 3 Annual issue 1</ref>.
- While hunting down an uncontrolled Wolverine, Thor was around his same speed and harmed his claws, until Thor angrily had enough after Wolverine pushed his patience to its very limits, with Thor one-shotting him while still making sure to have his friend unharmed<ref>Wolverine vs Thor (2009)</ref>. Thor's consistently shown to be stronger than this when holding back though.
- Thor's on Earth.
- Thor is dealing with human affairs and threats.
- Thor is battling mortals or is unaware of the power of his foes being on par with his own (when not holding back).
- Thor is making sure to not kill his enemies, especially if he cares for them.
- Thor is seeking the thrill of combat.
- Thor is accustomed to any of the former factors.
This is referring to people scaling to hercules lifting strength, not APSorry if I'm late to this thread and missed anything important but isn't this feat High-3A?