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That or we find their own displayed showcase of feats instead, which would be much more reliable and accurate in the long run.
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Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree
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Quick question, why does everyone scale to Hercules' infinite feat IN BASE? I thought we agreed that it's supposed to be his lifting strength at his peak, not part of his normal base stats. This is absolutely not what was agreed upon.
Also, if Atlas can move the Axis Mundi which is known as Yggdrasil to the Asgardians where Yggdrasil contains entire timelines, wouldn't that be Immeasurable instead?
Also, if Atlas can move the Axis Mundi which is known as Yggdrasil to the Asgardians where Yggdrasil contains entire timelines, wouldn't that be Immeasurable instead?
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Also I am pretty sure it is deadass impossible to have Infinite LS for lifting infinitely-massive weights and not have High 3-A AP/Dura because of it, because the whole notion of LS =/= AP becomes completely useless at tiers High 3-A and above because they don't follow conventional LS rules for objects of finite mass, and because your body would need to be strong enough to not be crushed by said mass as well as giving your own power to then push the mass back up like this.
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So they should have it in their "At peak" classification, their 3-C key would have whatever LS they had before it.
So it would be "Class Y normally. At least Infinite to Immeasurable at peak."
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This means somebody has to unfuck every edited profile right now-
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Yeah, they'd be Class Y normally, while their peak selves would be Infinite to Immeasurable or whatever.
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More like they need their Class Y/Stellar feats added back and have their Infinite/Immeasurable feats be classified as "At peak", yes.
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Question, characters that scale from Hercules "At peak" would scale to Infinite/Immeasurable LS?
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Yes, but ONLY IF HERCULES IS EXPLICITLY STATED TO BE AT HIS PEAK THERE. Without statements, physical showings of Hercules being at peak become considerably harder to determine, as physical and facial expressions alone don't tell us much in the realm of Marvel.
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Though approved, this was never added, as I don't see that resistance on Thor's profile.
- The cited feat is Thor surviving the Unbinding Stone from The Deviants Saga Vol 1 #5, which would repeal the laws of physics and delete reality, and only being knocked unconscious.
- I know about another supporting feat for Thor resisting EE from Avengers Vol 1 #143, where he resists Kang's dissolution beam, which could scatter Kang's atoms across time.
- Odinforce Thor should also gain enhanced resistance to EE on top of that, as he survived the Destroyer's visor beam in Thor Vol 2 #78, which Thor Vol 1 #300 describes as "ultimate disintegration."
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This one can be added as Resistance to Existence Erasure
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So we are already adding the upgrades ? Hope my list was of any help
Do we have one for who will be just 2-C ? (Like Mangog is now)
Do we have one for who will be just 2-C ? (Like Mangog is now)
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Shouldn't Godzilla have Infinite/Immeasurable LS because he scales from Peak Hercules?
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I believe that’s what this is for. Everyone approved in here gets 2-C, everyone else remains at 3-C afaik.
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There are a few, like Emma Frost' 1/2 of phoenix Force key and Thanos
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I think so
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Yes, but can you also discuss the other two supporting feats (one for base, one for Odinforce)?
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That's on his profile as Resistance to Deconstruction
Not sure if that is Resistance to Existence Erasure. Wouldn't that Resistance to Matter Manipulation or Deconstruction or sth
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Jormungand was the child of Loki and Angerboda. Although Jormungand was the size of a human infant at birth, Odin viewing the creature as a possible threat to the gods of Asgard banished the serpent to Midgard's, better known as Earth's, oceans. In Midgard, Jormungand thrived and grew large...
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Okay, fair. I've applied the Unbinding Stone feat, swapped in my scan for the dissolution beam, and added the Enhanced Resistance to Deconstruction under Thor's Odinforce key.
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Nah I’m fine with just High 3-A tbh
my point is I’ve always taken issue with the Varies rating and it’s unnecessary when we already have rules on how to scale characters to the top tiers
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I noticed that the Unbinding Stone would also make it so that "time no longer has any meaning," so what would that be a resistance to for Thor?
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Shouldn't Godzilla have Infinite/Immeasurable LS because he scales from Peak Hercules?
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And higher speed aswell
But I believe it's just a matter of time, the upgrades are still being added
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Resistance to Time Manipulation?
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The Sentry
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I think Bill and Surfer receive "3-C normally, 2-C at peak". Hulk and Sentry would probably be "Varies, usually 5-B, 3-C to 2-C at peak" or "Varies, usually 5-B, up to 2-C"The Sentry
The Sentry (Robert "Bob" Reynolds) is a fictional character, a superhero in the Marvel Comics Universe. The character first appears in The Sentry #1 (Sep. 2000) and was created by Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee, with uncredited conceptual contributions by Rick Veitch. Empowered by the enigmatic...Silver Surfer (Marvel Comics)
I am not a god. I have never created life... but I have lived. That is enough. So I will fight to preserve that same opportunity -- to love, to dream, to soar among the stars -- for all those yet to come. Many lives will be lost in the battle ahead -- but their efforts will ensure that some...Hulk (Marvel Comics)
The Hulk is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and first appeared in The Incredible Hulk #1 (May 1962). Throughout his comic book appearances, the Hulk is portrayed as a large green humanoid...Beta Ray Bill
Beta Ray Bill is a fictional superhero that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character first appears in Thor #337 (November 1983) and was created by writer-artist Walt Simonson. Debuting in the Bronze Age of Comic Books, the character was initially intended to be a surprise...
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Or Varies, usually 5-B, up to 3-C, 2-C because hulk and sentry power level still varies.
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I agree with Tracer's take on them
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Me too.
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So what was agreed on:
- Beta Ray Bill and the Silver Surfer receive "3-C, 2-C at peak."
- The Hulk and Sentry receive "Varies from 5-B to 3-C, 2-C at peak."
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Hulk and Sentry supposed to have Varies, usually 5-B, up to 3-C, 2-C rating not Varies from 5-B to 3-C, 2-C at peak." since they still vary in power.
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The formatting you’re suggesting doesn’t make sense. Why are you assuming that they’re usually 5-B? Why is the 2-C just there without any explanation?
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Okay. The usually will be removed but 2-C at peak shouldn't be added only 2-C because they still vary.
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