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Marvel Comics - Odin AP Revision

I'm good with 2-A using legit reasons. But to note, I had my doubts with 2-C feats involving the 9 realms since I don't believe the space between them is that of the space bewteen universes in a multiverse, even if the realms are individually universes.
Isn't Asgard and the other realms consistently stated to be outside Midgard's Space-Time?
 
Aren't the nine realms also consistently depicted as being pocket dimensions though? There's only really one writer who depicted that they're the embodiment of actual universes. I'm kind of surprised we're using that interpretation.

Also, recently the omniverse and Yggdrasil have been extraordinarily linked, what with the incursions being likened to its death and its shadow's reach stopping at the far shore. 2-A is kind of a low ball ngl.
 
Since 616 and other realities are multi dimensional realities, they contain a lot of different universes in it. Universes in 616 are separate space and times. Like the microwerse and also other universes like negative zones.

So, I think for the sake of greater verse context, we should probably stick to different universes interpretation.
 
Nothing would change if they weren't as in a real multiverse with 9 universes and just resembling some things a multiverse has while lacking key things.

But in any case, it is just something to look into in and research in the future. Nothing that matters right now.
 
Since 616 and other realities are multi dimensional realities, they contain a lot of different universes in it. Universes in 616 are separate space and times. Like the microwerse and also other universes like negative zones.

So, I think for the sake of greater verse context, we should probably stick to different universes interpretation.
That seems best, yes.

Anyway, what should be applied here, other than "At least 3-C, possibly 2-A" Zeus?
 
Okay. That seems to make sense.
 
So who are all the characters affected? Surtur, Mephisto, Hela, and Galactus are the ones off the top of my head. I'd have to look through for more.
 
Thank you for helping out.
 

Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
 
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Yes, either scale them from Surfer or the hell lords feat of merging multiple timelines in thor annual 14
 

Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
Please elaborate regarding the tiers that you suggest for their true forms and their avatars, and your reasonings for them.
 
Please elaborate regarding the tiers that you suggest for their true forms and their avatars, and your reasonings for them.
Khonshu, Atum, and Seth has true forms that exists beyond space and time of all of the multiverse essentially. And Atum and Khonshu are essentially every sun and moon throughout the whole of creation.

And with a fraction of Khonshu's power, MK was essentially able to one shot a multiversal threat - who scaled to Seth. And Atum > Khonshu.

And with the way the Egyptian Gods operate, their power levels can go up and down depending on how many worshippers they have. So they should have a varied tier - all of them.
 
Okay, but it seems more likely that multiverse simply means all of the lower 4D universes populated by human worshippers to them in this case, not an infinite hierarchy of higher dimensions and abstract realities. At least unless we have been provided considerably better specifics.
 
Oh yeah, I never said anything otherwise. That would create a lot of inconsistency in their lore and stuff
 
Thank you for being sensible. I also do not think that Low 1-A Egyptian gods would make any sense whatsoever.
 
For Egyptian Gods, there is potential for tier 1 stuff, but at best, it would be Low 1C. Tho I can't be asked to research it. Marvel did them terribly at each turn
 

Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
Gorr and King Thor were affecting the entire Multiverse in their final battle, this is said on the Marvel page and Jason Aaron confirms it
 

Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
Just a minor thing but shouldn't Pluto be in the hell lords section instead of the normal skyfathers tier?
 
I disagree with Surtur, Old King Thor, and Gorr's placement. Surtur is pretty consistently shown to be comparable, or even superior to, Odin, and I don't think there is anything that implies he wouldn't scale to Odin's full power. With Old King Thor, I see no reason to assume he is significantly weaker than normal Odinforce Thor or Odin, since he held the Thorforce far longer than they did. Gorr obviously scales to Old King Thor. And as @Kulf_Boba mentioned, they affected the multiverse during their fight.
 
I disagree with Surtur, Old King Thor, and Gorr's placement. Surtur is pretty consistently shown to be comparable, or even superior to, Odin, and I don't think there is anything that implies he wouldn't scale to Odin's full power.
Scans?
 
Gorr and King Thor were affecting the entire Multiverse in their final battle, this is said on the Marvel page and Jason Aaron confirms it
I thought it was just a universe? But if that's the case, then they should be removed from the scaling chain and scale to their own feats. Works for me.


disagree with Surtur,
I mean if you can show some instances where sutur is superior to Odin at his peak, then sure.
 
For being comparable to, I was referring to the scan already present on the profile. For being stronger, I was thinking about the Surtur Saga when he needed Thor and Loki's help to fight him, but looking at that again it turns out that that was Surtur with the Twilight Sword, so wouldn't affect his first key. I'm fine with him not scaling to full power Odin in his first key now.
 
Odin couldn't use 100% of his power because surtur weakened him or something in Classic "Ragnarok"/Surtur Saga.
 
Twilight sword, most definitely can scale for sure.

But also, can I see some evidence for why future Odinforce Thor needs to scale to his and Odin's canon counterpart - and at peak too? And can I see the multiversal feat of Gorr and Thor? Last I checked, that was universal.

However, King Thor did fight phoenix for a brief time, no? Scaling them is not something I am against tho. Phoenix is a jobber, but she had concrete rating (for whatever reason)
 
The main thing is that I see no reason to assume that he doesn't scale to Odin. If normal Odinforce Thor does, why wouldn't Old King Thor? And yeah, he fought against Phoenix Force Wolverine, and while he ultimately lost he did hold his own.
 
The main thing is that I see no reason to assume that he doesn't scale to Odin. If normal Odinforce Thor does, why wouldn't Old King Thor?
If I had to guess, it’s cause OKT is from an alternate universe.
 
What tracer said. They are alt reality, no matter how you look at it. We have no proof that they scale, but also no proof they don't - aside from assumption, and we should avoid alternate scaling as much as possible unless they are cosmic entities and whatnot.

In any case, they need to be scaled to their own feats.
 
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