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Isn't Asgard and the other realms consistently stated to be outside Midgard's Space-Time?
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Marvel Comics - Odin AP Revision
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Actually, yes they are
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Aren't the nine realms also consistently depicted as being pocket dimensions though? There's only really one writer who depicted that they're the embodiment of actual universes. I'm kind of surprised we're using that interpretation.
Also, recently the omniverse and Yggdrasil have been extraordinarily linked, what with the incursions being likened to its death and its shadow's reach stopping at the far shore. 2-A is kind of a low ball ngl.
Also, recently the omniverse and Yggdrasil have been extraordinarily linked, what with the incursions being likened to its death and its shadow's reach stopping at the far shore. 2-A is kind of a low ball ngl.
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Since 616 and other realities are multi dimensional realities, they contain a lot of different universes in it. Universes in 616 are separate space and times. Like the microwerse and also other universes like negative zones.
So, I think for the sake of greater verse context, we should probably stick to different universes interpretation.
So, I think for the sake of greater verse context, we should probably stick to different universes interpretation.
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Nothing would change if they weren't as in a real multiverse with 9 universes and just resembling some things a multiverse has while lacking key things.
But in any case, it is just something to look into in and research in the future. Nothing that matters right now.
But in any case, it is just something to look into in and research in the future. Nothing that matters right now.
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That seems best, yes.
Anyway, what should be applied here, other than "At least 3-C, possibly 2-A" Zeus?
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The skyfathers tier - 2c - rn comes from Odin iirc. So other skyfathers and co tiered people needs to be adjusted in similarly.
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Technically the 2-C comes from Surtur, but yeah.
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Oh yeah, but the scaling chain exists because of Odin. Cause surtur doesn't have direct dealing with most of them.
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Actually, in Thor Vol 1 annual 10, Mephisto, Hela, Seth and a few others perform a 2c feat. Maybe we can use that as a backup feat for some of the 2Cs?
I can get the scans tomorrow
I can get the scans tomorrow
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Virtually every 2c of marvel - aside from people like Jaspers
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If you guys don't mind, can you give me some time because I wanna redo the entire 2c scaling? It has a lot of issues rn and I want to remove some of the hell lords and stuff from the scaling chain.
I will make a sandbox for it soon - hopefully before next week - and see what others think.
I will make a sandbox for it soon - hopefully before next week - and see what others think.
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Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
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Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
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Yes, either scale them from Surfer or the hell lords feat of merging multiple timelines in thor annual 14
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Please elaborate regarding the tiers that you suggest for their true forms and their avatars, and your reasonings for them.Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
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Khonshu, Atum, and Seth has true forms that exists beyond space and time of all of the multiverse essentially. And Atum and Khonshu are essentially every sun and moon throughout the whole of creation.
And with a fraction of Khonshu's power, MK was essentially able to one shot a multiversal threat - who scaled to Seth. And Atum > Khonshu.
And with the way the Egyptian Gods operate, their power levels can go up and down depending on how many worshippers they have. So they should have a varied tier - all of them.
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Okay, but it seems more likely that multiverse simply means all of the lower 4D universes populated by human worshippers to them in this case, not an infinite hierarchy of higher dimensions and abstract realities. At least unless we have been provided considerably better specifics.
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Oh yeah, I never said anything otherwise. That would create a lot of inconsistency in their lore and stuff
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What about the infinite earths thing
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For Egyptian Gods, there is potential for tier 1 stuff, but at best, it would be Low 1C. Tho I can't be asked to research it. Marvel did them terribly at each turn
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Scans?
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Scans for what?
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Gorr and King Thor were affecting the entire Multiverse in their final battle, this is said on the Marvel page and Jason Aaron confirms itConfluctor/Marvel 2-C
Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
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Just a minor thing but shouldn't Pluto be in the hell lords section instead of the normal skyfathers tier?Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
Khonshu and Atum (true form) should scale to them being every sun and moon across the entire multiverse, and so should Seth's true form - which exists beyond space and time. So, they should be removed from the scaling chain. And Atum should likely get a new true form key. Egyptian Gods has higher dimensional forms which is different from their normal avatar forms.
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I disagree with Surtur, Old King Thor, and Gorr's placement. Surtur is pretty consistently shown to be comparable, or even superior to, Odin, and I don't think there is anything that implies he wouldn't scale to Odin's full power. With Old King Thor, I see no reason to assume he is significantly weaker than normal Odinforce Thor or Odin, since he held the Thorforce far longer than they did. Gorr obviously scales to Old King Thor. And as @Kulf_Boba mentioned, they affected the multiverse during their fight.
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Scans?
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I thought it was just a universe? But if that's the case, then they should be removed from the scaling chain and scale to their own feats. Works for me.
I mean if you can show some instances where sutur is superior to Odin at his peak, then sure.
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For being comparable to, I was referring to the scan already present on the profile. For being stronger, I was thinking about the Surtur Saga when he needed Thor and Loki's help to fight him, but looking at that again it turns out that that was Surtur with the Twilight Sword, so wouldn't affect his first key. I'm fine with him not scaling to full power Odin in his first key now.
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Odin couldn't use 100% of his power because surtur weakened him or something in Classic "Ragnarok"/Surtur Saga.
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Twilight sword, most definitely can scale for sure.
But also, can I see some evidence for why future Odinforce Thor needs to scale to his and Odin's canon counterpart - and at peak too? And can I see the multiversal feat of Gorr and Thor? Last I checked, that was universal.
However, King Thor did fight phoenix for a brief time, no? Scaling them is not something I am against tho. Phoenix is a jobber, but she had concrete rating (for whatever reason)
But also, can I see some evidence for why future Odinforce Thor needs to scale to his and Odin's canon counterpart - and at peak too? And can I see the multiversal feat of Gorr and Thor? Last I checked, that was universal.
However, King Thor did fight phoenix for a brief time, no? Scaling them is not something I am against tho. Phoenix is a jobber, but she had concrete rating (for whatever reason)
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If I had to guess, it’s cause OKT is from an alternate universe.
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What tracer said. They are alt reality, no matter how you look at it. We have no proof that they scale, but also no proof they don't - aside from assumption, and we should avoid alternate scaling as much as possible unless they are cosmic entities and whatnot.
In any case, they need to be scaled to their own feats.
In any case, they need to be scaled to their own feats.
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