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4-A, 3-C at peak would make sense
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This could easily be poetic.
Yes, not only the galaxy but the universe.This is effectively hand waving. I think the fact that it's been reinforced to the reader several times that Thor has the strength to shake a galaxy proves that this isn't simply "poetic"
Shaking a universe as large as ours is 4-A, it's where most of the evidence for a 4-A rating is coming from here.Is shaking the universe a 4-A or a 3-C feat?
The thing about using the Universe of a trillion years is that it happens in a totally different Era of Comics, it will be better to use the standard UniverseShaking a universe as large as ours is 4-A, it's where most of the evidnece for a 4-A rating is coming from here.
But now that I think about it if those statements that put the marvel universe at a Trillion Light Years might get it up to 3-C
Except we have too many infinite statements, so why use 93 bil?The thing about using the Universe of a trillion years is that it happens in a totally different Era of Comics, it will be better to use the standard Universe
that means that the heralds would be high 3-A, I'm trying not to make all those feats outlierExcept we have too many infinite statements, so why use 93 bil?
"era" in the sense that a difference of almost 20 years, cosmology was altered in various waysWhat do you mean by "different era"? The statement about trillion lightyears is from a more recent comic.
I don't think that's how it works though.that means that the heralds would be high 3-A, I'm trying not to make all those feats outlier
...I mean that's bias lolthat means that the heralds would be high 3-A, I'm trying not to make all those feats outlier
This scan shows Vnn, a holder of the Starbrand, saying that he could sense things a trillion lightyears away. This makes the Marvel Universe at bare minimum a trillion light years in radius. And this issue came out in November of 2019, so really recently."era" in the sense that a difference of almost 20 years, cosmology was altered in various ways
But using 93 is also an outlier? Its outliers either way at the end of the day?that means that the heralds would be high 3-A, I'm trying not to make all those feats outlier
If we're really getting this pedantic about "muh comic eras" the Jane Foster feat still came out in 2017, so.So, is the fact that Heralds can shake the universe accepted? Is all that's left to agree on the size of the universe they are shaking?
That is correct.This scan shows Vnn, a holder of the Starbrand, saying that he could sense things a trillion lightyears away. This makes the Marvel Universe at bare minimum a trillion light years in radius. And this issue came out in November of 2019, so really recently.
shrug their shouldersBut using 93 is also an outlier? Its outliers either way at the end of the day?
Yeah but If the universe's statement have contradictions and other things like that they don't tend to used.I don't think that's how it works though.
If the Universe is canonically infinite in size, then the feats should be treated as such.
well whatever the closest thing to a consistent canon statement that Marvel has should be used, as assuming the universe is standard 3-A when there's contradicting evidence is not great.Yeah but If the universe's statement have contradictions and other things like that they don't tend to used.
Yeah but the difference between cosmology between authors in DC is absurd.Actually that's what the wiki's doing to DC and marvel scaling them via different authors.
We scale them not only via higher dimensions but even how powerful they are portrayed or shown by certain writers as some wank them and others lowball.
.it's just a general something I don't know how to put it.
The results would still be 4-A for the record, it'd just be at a higher value.Yeah but the difference between cosmology between authors in DC is absurd.
assuming the universe in Marvel to be 93 billion LY as opposed to stated whatever trillion for the sake of 4-A being more consistent than 3-C or whatever it would calc to is simply bias. We don’t arbitrarily decide what the Marcel cosmology is to make characters certain tiers.
I'm against that sort of indexing exactly for this reason, but you'd also end up creating far more problems than you'd ever hope to fix as a result. For instance, what reason would we have to disregard far higher tiers for Spiderman if we can simply hand wave it away as being a different writers interpretation and give him a separate key to compensate?If we’re going to tier feats on these levels of discrepancies (difference between assumed vs stated finite sizes for the universe) then we may as well not scale comics at all, as every character would need a key every 10 issues
Taking this logic to its furthest extent would result in comics inherently being unscalable.I'm against that sort of indexing exactly for this reason, but you'd also end up creating far more problems than you'd ever hope to fix as a result. For instance, what reason would we have to disregard far higher tiers for Spiderman if we can simply hand wave it away as being a different writers interpretation and give him a separate key to compensate?
The scan with the Trillion Light Year Statement comes from a character that was wielding the Starbrand at the time who states on panel that he can literally "feel" the activities of entire planets "a trillion light-years away" i.e. this is being stated by someone with cosmic awareness that can actually verify how large the universe is with their own senses.surely there are characters more reliable than others when it comes to the size of a single marvel universe that can be considered the most consistent?
It's only in respect to Abstract level and above, since their fundamentals in scaling change. Not relevant to other tiersActually that's what the wiki's doing to DC and marvel scaling them via different authors.
We scale them not only via higher dimensions but even how powerful they are portrayed or shown by certain writers as some wank them and others lowball.
.it's just a general something I don't know how to put it.
Earth is the center of the universe in Marvel? this would make a trillion light years the possible radius of the universe.The scan with the Trillion Light Year Statement comes from a character that was wielding the Starbrand at the time who states on panel that he can literally "feel" the activities of entire planets "a trillion light-years away" i.e. this is being stated by someone with cosmic awareness that can actually verify how large the universe is with their own senses.
He doesn't quite make it clear if he's referring to the entire circumference of the universe or just a smaller portion of its whole, but at the very least that's a pretty clear indication of the universe's minimum size from a very reliable source as far as I'm concerned.