I never implied that lmao
This is correlation without causation. You're simply observing a common trend and declaring it a universal rule, but there's no in-verse reasoning for this. Also, there's absolutely no reason being better at PSI should make one physically stronger.
Quote from you: "I am fully aware that Giegue is ridiculously stronger than Ninten, but this by itself does not make for an argument for tier 7".
Ness absorbed his own Magicant, which has also the sea of Eden, that is heavily implied to contain a “piece“ of ToTU, due of Ness being physically able to touch said entity.
I thought I told you about it, but since Ness absorbed his Magicant, he consequently absorbed the portion of the Truth of the Universe that existed in the Sea of Eden. Also, without Low 1-C, 2-A wouldn't be able to be applied because that would be using the exact same reasoning, unless you want to say that the fraction of Low 1-C power Ness received is 2-A, though I'm not sure why that would be quantifiable in such a specific way. If the Low 1-C scaling for Ness and Giygas happens to be rejected, they will probably become 2-B (which will be explained later if the need arises), or simply get reverted back to Low 2-C.
Because the justifications listed in the profile were nowhere near enough to qualify for such an extreme rating.
I don’t see your line of thinking at all. This is a character who’s not only intellectually superior to the geniuses in the verse (which they were able to create a capsule machine that can literally block off any physical and psychic attacks, including 5th dimensional levels of reality warping that erases concepts) but he has demonstrated the ability that I would think should be enough to warrant that rating. Is creating a machine that can seal away higher dimensional entities and keep their mind stabilized from being erased by their own powers within a short time frame not enough to warrant such a rating? Or creating a Mech within a short time period that has far superior time traveling capabilities than the previously mentioned character (Dr. Andonuts)?
The former is a single feat that approaches this level in terms of scale alone, but a Supergenius needs to essentially be able to warp reality almost any way he or she wishes on a massive scale with his or her inventions. Sealing and time travel are strictly within the Extraordinary Genius level.
Given that I wrote our intelligence standards, I sometimes change blatantly inaccurate ratings that I notice on my own when edit patrolling, as I do not remotely have the time to start content revision threads for every single case.
Remove the example if you don't like it, doesn't change the base of my argument.
You told Fronk a while back on your message wall that what you saw qualifies for Supergenius tho?
In this case however Ness is absorbing a significant portion of a being, not using them as a power source. Why would it not scale in this case?
You don't have a valid argument to begin with, find another one that actually has similar scaling instead of DBZ of all things.
Really don't think I need to find an example that matches this case one-to-one.
Because the significant portion is still unquantifiable. I already gave reasons why it doesn't happen like that most of the time in fiction. Unless there is something proving that to be the case, we can't simply assume such a thing.
Not one to one, but at bare minimum something similar. If you can't find one, then that's a you problem I don't have to worry about.
Absorbing an unquantifiable amount of something that is infinite is still infinite, you think it matters? "Oh but fiction can sometimes be like this" then PROVE this is the case. Basic scaling says unless Ness is somehow infinitely weaker, which we don't need to prove, then absorbing a portion of Truth's Low 1-C power is still Low 1-C.
I don't think you really understood my argument. I never said "that other verse does this and so it should be applied to this verse". All I said is that without any support, it's not reasonable to assume a portion of someone's power makes you the same tier as them and that gives rise to wonky scaling. That's not for any particular verse, that's in general and applies to everything.
If this is based simply on not getting immediately one shotted and the character taking 4-5 hits, that's normal too across fiction. And it doesn't prove that the character is comparable or even in the same tier. The character can be massively weaker and still take 4-5 hits before going down because that's how fights happen. So using that argument doesn't seem decisive enough to prove your point.
It literally means that Ness' hits are comparable to Player's, since as Giygas could survive hits from Player, and Ness can damage him, there's not an uncountable infinite difference between them. Downscaling is a thing, is literally the same reason why Mega Mewtwo is 3-C/High 3-A due of it taking hits from Zygarde. And both Mewtwo and Giygas don't have any anti feat against such downscaling.
No no no, that's not how it works. That only applies to a finite source of energy you are absorbing, but this is an infinite power source given by the god tier. Because of how basic infinite works, it does make Ness the same tier. And no, it doesn't give a wonky scaling chain when this applies to only Ness and Giygas, so that argument is invalid as well. AKM, if you're going to make these claims that we can't downscale them, then literally find something to prove this, because I'm arguing over your headcanon.
A fraction of a 10-C would still make you 10-C. A fraction of a 2-A would still make you 2-A. A fraction of High 3-A would still make you High 3-A.
Because that applies here. No matter how small a fraction it may be, whether it be Low 1-C, 2-A (which one isn't something I want to debate, but it applies to either), no matter how much you divide it up, the character scaling to a fraction of it will still indeed be the same exact tier, just unquantifiably lower, but the same tier none the less.
I find it hard to argue back when you casually say "downscaling is a thing". Because, it simply isn't. Downscaling is almost never used, and only used in very rare cases. In fact there was a staff thread about upscaling where this was also mentioned. Also hard to counter is that you mentioned downscaling is okay simply because there isn't any anti feat, which is also not the case. Other verses where this is happening are not really relevant, or they need a closer look too.
Not really. You can absorb finite energy from an infinite energy source. You can run a finite portion on an infinitely long race track. You can take out a finite bite from an infinite cake.
Which I think I already covered in my very first comment here. Fiction, most of the time, doesn't follow the hard and fast rule of our tiering system that a fraction of infinity must be infinity, so we have be be flexible at times to accommodate logical scenarios. And I find it unreasonable to simply assume that without sufficient evidence.
This is exactly my thoughts.
You still didn't said anything about Ness scaling from Giygas durability tho. Player can harm Giygas, and the latter could survive few hits, Ness can harm Giygas as well, so both are Tier 1 because simple logic.
Yeah, so why Ness is becoming an exception now?
To clarify on that statement, he said a finite fraction, which basically means division of infinity is still mathematically infinity. For example, 5/7 x infinity = infinity. From what I am gathering, an unquantifiable energy is being absorbed in this case. The two are different, because you can absorb a finite amount of unquantifiable energy from an infinite energy source.
Except that it was absorbed clearly a solid part of ToTU, since Ness could absorb an actual piece of it which could even be touched.
Hence the argument. You can't go "lol fiction" because it goes both ways, some verses do treat it like that, some don't.
Yeah, notify one of them I guess.
Specifically from what I understand, it's less about channeling, and more he straight up absorbed a fraction of it permanently. It's now apart of him.
