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The issue with the drilling hasn't been addressed and neither has the timeline vs in between stuff.guess... But I think that 1-A should still be given as a full rating, because:
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The issue with the drilling hasn't been addressed and neither has the timeline vs in between stuff.guess... But I think that 1-A should still be given as a full rating, because:
Tbh nothing exactly says that the Timestream are regular time so...The issue with the drilling hasn't been addressed and neither has the timeline vs in between stuff.
You can have a realm be rated as 1-A for being beyond time while contained within a timeline.Tbh nothing exactly says that the Timestream are regular time so...
So basically my point?You can have a realm be rated as 1-A for being beyond time while contained within a timeline.
1-A timelines can exist, but the reasoning has to be consistent. Something can't be 1-A for being beyond time while being contained within time.I mean 1-A timelines can exist, it's fiction after all.
Because they're just parallel timelines that can and have crossed into other times before. In addition the justification for it being 1-A ar Ether being timeless and viewing those timelines as not real, which doesn't work. Both definitions cannot be right.And what exactly says that the Timestreams are normal time?
That's not...what? Time streams arent parallel timelines, they're the sum total of space-time of an infinite number of multiversesBecause they're just parallel timelines that can and have crossed into other times before. In addition the justification for it being 1-A ar Ether being timeless and viewing those timelines as not real, which doesn't work. Both definitions cannot be right.
In addition people can move through it by just building drill tunneling machines. So it being 1-A is also questionable in my view.
They are parallel timelines per your own words. Just not something that's Low 2-C.Time streams arent parallel timelines, they're the sum total of space-time of an infinite number of multiverses
The the timestreams, the In-between section. The multiverse invasion was all about that.And where are you getting the idea that people can just physically move through them
They are not parallel timelines, timelines exist within the time streams as part of the multiverses contained within the time streamsThey are parallel timelines per your own words. Just not something that's Low 2-C.
The the timestreams, the In-between section. The multiverse invasion was all about that.
But they're still parallel versions of that reality. Some time streams are identical to others with minor differences and others are radically different. But they're still based on the concept of time which doesn't work with thisThey are not parallel timelines, timelines exist within the time streams as part of the multiverses contained within the time streams
Still concentrating on maintaining a deep, relaxed breathing pattern, she sensed her physical presence on Regatha beginning to dissolve into flames as she slipped into the Blind Eternities. As she disappeared from her humble bedchamber into the hot blaze of a fiery chasm, she recognized the formless void that existed outside of time and space. |
I didn't say they were. I've been specifically talking about how the justification of the Blind Eternities does not line up with where the Time Streams are placed. It has to go: Planes -> Multiverse -> Time Stream -> Blind Eternities for the scaling. Currently, the scaling presented in the OP has it go Planes -> Multiverse -> Blind Eternities -> Time Stream which doesn't work logic wise with the provided quotes.Time streams are not in-between sections,
Yes, the Blind Eternities are contained within the Time StreamsBut they're still parallel versions of that reality. Some time streams are identical to others with minor differences and others are radically different. But they're still based on the concept of time which doesn't work with this
The above cannot be true if The Blind Eternities are also within Time Streams, which is my point. Either they are in a Time Stream and they're not beyond space and time or they aren't in a Time Stream so you can't scale the latter over the former.
Still concentrating on maintaining a deep, relaxed breathing pattern, she sensed her physical presence on Regatha beginning to dissolve into flames as she slipped into the Blind Eternities. As she disappeared from her humble bedchamber into the hot blaze of a fiery chasm, she recognized the formless void that existed outside of time and space.
I didn't say they were. I've been specifically talking about how the justification of the Blind Eternities does not line up with where the Time Streams are placed. It has to go: Planes -> Multiverse -> Time Stream -> Blind Eternities for the scaling. Currently, the scaling presented in the OP has it go Planes -> Multiverse -> Blind Eternities -> Time Stream which doesn't work logic wise with the provided quotes.
Which is the issue. They can't both be beyond time and space and contained within both time and space.Yes, the Blind Eternities are contained within the Time Streams
They're not contained within time and space, the blind Eternities are the spaces in between planes within a multiverse, time stream is just the name of the space which contains an infinite number of multiversesWhich is the issue. They can't both be beyond time and space and contained within both time and space.
Which is my point. If they're contained within a Time Stream and are part of that system then I'm not seeing it as 1-A.They're not contained within time and space, the blind Eternities are the spaces in between planes within a multiverse
The time stream itself is the thing that is 1-AWhich is my point. If they're contained within a Time Stream and are part of that system then I'm not seeing it as 1-A.
Even if it's true, that's not why is 1-A lol.Which is my point. If they're contained within a Time Stream and are part of that system then I'm not seeing it as 1-A.
Well, not that it matters anyways.I have no scans proving Timestreams contain the Blind Eternities or are not normal time. Instead of arguing it would be better to just show quotes that prove our statements.
Why not?Well, not that it matters anyways.
Because it's about the amount of dimensions or can contain lolWhy not?
I don't get itBecause it's about the amount of dimensions or can contain lol
It transcending space time was never the reason.I don't get it
That's Low-1A and higher isn't it?It transcending space time was never the reason.
It's about it being so large that no amount of higher dimensions can fill it.
No, 1-A.That's Low-1A and higher isn't it?
I said Low 1-A and higher.No, 1-A.
If the claim is still here (or people are still arguing under this basis)The Blind Eternities simply are stated that they can't be filled due to them being beyond the concepts of direction, space etc, meaning that even infinite amount of dimensionality can't fill it.
kIf the claim is still here (or people are still arguing under this basis)
This does not grant any high 1-B tier, it simply skips that tier and goes to 1-A
She would have screamed if she could have found her voice—if she could have identified the place within her being that a voice was supposed to come from. But she couldn't find her lips, nor her lungs, nor any other part of her body. All she knew were the multitudinous dimensions. They were no longer phantom, no longer variables in an equation. They were real. And there were so many.
Rashmi felt so small, and yet her essence had the sensation of enormity.
She must have hung there, suspended, overwhelmed by awe and wonder, for some length of time, but how long, she had no conception. Time was not.
And then she was moving. Or at least her surroundings were shifting. The sensation of movement was absent, but the cues were compelling. She was looking out at a cityscape, only none of the buildings looked familiar. The shapes, the colors, the architecture, it was all so curious. And then she was in a forest, or perhaps a jungle, thick with vines and wide-leafed plants that seemed to compete with each other for dominion. She glimpsed a massive rock cut into the shape of a diamond; it hung in the air, suspended as though gravity didn't apply. Then a wide open sky, filled only with deep purple clouds, and a mountain range capped in snow through which yellow flowers grew. The images—impressions really—were coming faster now. One blended into the next, quiet hearths, vast deserts, bustling marketplaces filled with unfamiliar people and wares, the maw of a beast, a star-filled sky. More than she could count, more than she could ever know.
For me, I think the word "dimensions" is probably more like elements/aspects. For instance, is spirituality another? Magic?MtG seems to peak out at Low 1-C or so, given the "Time and space are only two dimensions in all the panoply of what is," which personally I'd rate as indicating at least 6 dimensions, given the wording implying that the spacetime dimensions we are familiar don't really stand out among everything that exists. Hard to quantify it beyond that, though, so, I welcome more opinions.
Would it help to discuss Aethermages (mages that manipulate the Blind Etwrnities) being able to unravel the geometry of reality and using the Blind Eternities to create countless fractal dimensions?With regards to the Blind Eternities: I don't think their transcendence over the multiverse is what we'd consider enough for a 1-A rating, no. 1-A would require them to above even dimensions that exist only abstractly/theoretically, rather than exclusively the dimensions that exist. So, yeah, they're probably around 1-C or so, taking the above into account.
Basically MtG is structured as:I don't quite understand what makes the Time Streams above the Blind Eternities, but I guess I defer to whatever the actual knowledgeable people say here, on that matter.
That's not necessarily the case. There could be dimensions that are neither temporal nor spatial. The mentions of "phantom dimensions" also seem to support that statement.Even increased spatial dimensions would still fall under "space" as a dimension of all that is. So for me that statement isn't necessarily indicative of QS layers above a space time continuum unto itself.
Unfortunately not.Would it help to discuss Aethermages (mages that manipulate the Blind Etwrnities) being able to unravel the geometry of reality and using the Blind Eternities to create countless fractal dimensions?
We had initially High 1-C as initial plan btw.That's not necessarily the case. There could be dimensions that are neither temporal nor spatial. The mentions of "phantom dimensions" also seem to support that statement.
Unfortunately not.
HeccUnfortunately not.
There could be, but we have such little information to go off of when it comes to that statement.That's not necessarily the case. There could be dimensions that are neither temporal nor spatial. The mentions of "phantom dimensions" also seem to support that statement.
What I mean is it would just make it so that a 7-D plane exists, it wouldnt mean that bringing that powerstone into another plane would equate to said plane being 8-D. The Blind Eternities would be 8-D upscaling from that 7-D planeI mean, if PowerStones are described as 7D, why assuming they're 7 dimensions below the baseline reality?
This is the 7-D statement, I assume?:I mean, if PowerStones are described as 7D, why assuming they're 7 dimensions below the baseline reality?
Crix's enhanced, analytical mind had little difficulty making out a few of the simpler calculations of fate here and there, as well as a tangle of pipes and energy-filled tubes that were a perfect depiction of Niv-Mizzet's Seven-Dimensional Geometromancy Proof.
Oh I see, you were just arguing them as being having independent 1-A justifications.I have no scans proving Timestreams contain the Blind Eternities or are not normal time. Instead of arguing it would be better to just show quotes that prove our statements.