Magi massive Revision

[Lormac_CC]

everything about a god above the hierarchy is head canon

Alright, till tomorrow then

 

[ImmortalDread]

@Lormac_CC Ngl, you are wanking Magi verse a bit higher. Is there any proof or scan that shows that there is a god beyond the hierarchy of infinite gods?

Now there aren't really scans to saying that there are gods beyond the hierarchy, it doesn't change the fact that Rukh extents beyond the hierarchy and ends outside it. You can take OriginFox context which make sense rather than say the beyond the Hierarchy statement doesn't exist

This is your claim, mind proving it? I searched for the proof and I did not find any. If there is none, there is literally no discussion for wanking cosmology to low 1A.
Also, David's statement IS actually a motivational speech. The cosmology only proved to be endless 1B, since there are infinite gods and each god is higher than others.

if its illah then he will just say his name , in that panel he mentioned higher gods or solomon who made him god and u can even see a group of gods near solomon

@Lormac_CC You did not reply to this and rather you said “knowledgeable people agreed with me”, yet I did not see any who disprove his statement?

 

[Lormac_CC]

@Lormac_CC Ngl, you are wanking Magi verse a bit higher. Is there any proof or scan that shows that there is a god beyond the hierarchy of infinite gods?

This is your claim, mind proving it? I searched for the proof and I did not find any. If there is none, there is literally no discussion for wanking cosmology to low 1A.
Also, David's statement IS actually a motivational speech. The cosmology only proved to be endless 1B, since there are infinite gods and each god is higher than others.

@Lormac_CC You did not reply to this and rather you said “knowledgeable people agreed with me”, yet I did not see any who disprove his statement?

Will reply tomorrow

 

[ImmortalDread]

Will reply tomorrow

Sure, I am also interested in participating in this thread.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Sure, I am also interested in participating in this thread.

You are free

 

[ImmortalDread]

You are free

Waiting for the reply from you to my previous post

 

[Lormac_CC]

I

Waiting for the reply from you to my previous post

I am creating it right now

 

[Lormac_CC]

If there is anything that feels like head canon from this post please be free to point it out.

First, the nature of Faith. Faith is basically a pre ordained event, so for example, if a character is destined to defeat every god, then yes he will defeat every god as that is Fate. Then we have Singularities, Singularities are capable of seeing fate, they are bound to it but can deviate from it. They are also see Faith from the perspective of the person controlling it. David is a perfect example of this. In Alma torran, David could see the Aladdin telling the new world about Alma torran, basically an event already pre ordained by illah, he also knew a lot of events that would happen in the new world. If things had went the way illah pre-ordained things, Faith, can only be controlled by someone above. So if a character is destined destroy a god. The person who is controlling the faith is above the god. Fourthly, Faith is lik e a script is written by someone. So, basically no matter how ****** up the faith is, it is scripted and controlled by a character.

So basically, Faith scripted to destroy a Hierarchy can only come from a character above the Hierarchy. This by wiki standard would already give a possibly rating. Now David statements are what really solidify this facts. Now I see a lot of downplay to this statement saying it is flowery and that it was a motivational speech. Well, if it came from Aladdin then we could say it is flowery, but it came from David, who could see Faith, he could basically see this events then he said it twice. The first statement flowery, the second statement flowery coming from the most knowledgeable character in the series who could see what ever he said.

Again if I have drop anything that didn't come from the series or is from head, please point out.

 

[ImmortalDread]

The person who is controlling the faith is above the god. Fourthly, Faith is lik e a script is written by someone. So, basically no matter how ****** up the faith is, it is scripted and controlled by a character.

So basically, Faith scripted to destroy a Hierarchy can only come from a character above the Hierarchy. This by wiki standard would already give a possibly rating. Now David statements are what really solidify this facts. Now I see a lot of downplay to this statement saying it is flowery and that it was a motivational speech. Well, if it came from Aladdin then we could say it is flowery, but it came from David, who could see Faith, he could basically see this events then he said it twice. The first statement flowery, the second statement flowery coming from the most knowledgeable character in the series who could see what ever he said.

Again if I have drop anything that didn't come from the series or is from head, please point out.

May you link chapters and volumes for each scan? I am a little suspicious of those statements, I would like to see the background of each scan.

Faith, can only be controlled by someone above. So if a character is destined destroy a god. The person who is controlling the faith is above the god. Fourthly, Faith is lik e a script is written by someone. So, basically no matter how ****** up the faith is, it is scripted and controlled by a character.

 

[PrinceofPein]

If there is anything that feels like head canon from this post please be free to point it out.

First, the nature of Faith. Faith is basically a pre ordained event, so for example, if a character is destined to defeat every god, then yes he will defeat every god as that is Fate. Then we have Singularities, Singularities are capable of seeing fate, they are bound to it but can deviate from it. They are also see Faith from the perspective of the person controlling it. David is a perfect example of this. In Alma torran, David could see the Aladdin telling the new world about Alma torran, basically an event already pre ordained by illah, he also knew a lot of events that would happen in the new world. If things had went the way illah pre-ordained things, Faith, can only be controlled by someone above. So if a character is destined destroy a god. The person who is controlling the faith is above the god. Fourthly, Faith is lik e a script is written by someone. So, basically no matter how ****** up the faith is, it is scripted and controlled by a character.

So basically, Faith scripted to destroy a Hierarchy can only come from a character above the Hierarchy. This by wiki standard would already give a possibly rating. Now David statements are what really solidify this facts. Now I see a lot of downplay to this statement saying it is flowery and that it was a motivational speech. Well, if it came from Aladdin then we could say it is flowery, but it came from David, who could see Faith, he could basically see this events then he said it twice. The first statement flowery, the second statement flowery coming from the most knowledgeable character in the series who could see what ever he said.

Again if I have drop anything that didn't come from the series or is from head, please point out.

Half of this are your assumptions and head canons while the other half is you joining unrelated things and events together.

Also David never I said “I am destined to see what is beyond this hierarchy”, rather he said “join me let’s fight and see what lies beyond infinite battles”
That is motivational and flowery, nothing will ever change that facts.

That’s my 2 cents

 

[ImmortalDread]

Half of this are your assumptions and head canons while the other half is you joining unrelated things and events together.

Also David never I said “I am destined to see what is beyond this hierarchy”, rather he said “join me let’s fight and see what lies beyond infinite battles”
That is motivational and flowery, nothing will ever change that facts.

That’s my 2 cents

Mind finding me the translated scan of this. Also, what are your thoughts on the person who can re-write the script?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Mind finding me the translated scan of this.

What chapter is this?

Also, what are your thoughts on the person who can re-write the script?

A higher god can rewrite the script of a lower god, that’s all. It may have even been a god one layer above Illah.
But still all what David said is not a statement which is valid

 

[ImmortalDread]

What chapter is this?

A higher god can rewrite the script of a lower god, that’s all. It may have even been a god one layer above Illah.
But still all what David said is not a statement which is valid

Alright, this makes more sense.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What chapter is this?

@Lormac_CC

 

[Antvasima]

@Pain_to12

So what, if anything, do we need to change in our current Magi profile pages based on this revision thread?

 

[PrinceofPein]

@Pain_to12

So what, if anything, do we need to change in our current Magi profile pages based on this revision thread?

Ugo - loses the 1-B key via sacred palace and just gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

David - loses the potentially 1-B key, as that is now wrong and didn’t happen and would never have happened.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

Sinbad - loses the pontentially 1-B key, same reason as David’s up above.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a likely higher also.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Half of this are your assumptions and head canons while the other half is you joining unrelated things and events together

I never assumed anything there. I provided scans for everything. As I said in the post, please point out the assumptions and head canon. It would be helpful

May you link chapters and volumes for each scan? I am a little suspicious of those statements, I would like to see the background of each scan

305

half is you joining unrelated things and events

How, the hell is anything I posted unrelated. Every single point = it is impossible for someone within the Hierarchy to control the faith David saw. It is just like saying Sinbad controls faith that Aladdin will defeat all the gods above him. Does that make any sense to you

Also David never I said “I am destined to see what is beyond this hierarchy”, rather he said “join me let’s fight and see what lies beyond infinite battles”

Right below that panel, you see what the destiny was, Fighting against the gods. Sinbad outright saying his fate was to destroy the very existence of Faith

That is motivational and flowery, nothing will ever change that

I don't know why your attention is on a single statement while ignoring the main thing, it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy for chose David or to control faith that affects the entire Hierarchy.

Mind finding me the translated scan of this.

Also, what are your thoughts on the person who can re-write the script?

Check chapter 305.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't know why your attention is on a single statement while ignoring the main thing, it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy for chose David or to control faith that affects the entire Hierarchy.

So Sinbad is also above the hierarchy for thwarting the plan of David that was chosen by a god above the hierarchy who is writing the hierarchy script and Sinbad has a 1-A smurf hax that allows him to thwart that god or another god above the hierarchy picked Sinbad to thwart the other god plan through David?
Yeah your take is utterly wrong
Just learn to read to context and all this can be settled easily

It wasn’t a flowery statement meant as a motivational speech.

 

[Lormac_CC]

So Sinbad is also above the hierarchy for thwarting the plan of David that was chosen by a god above the hierarchy who is writing the hierarchy script

Honestly don't get your point here. Sinbad/David are basically same and also see same destiny. You are talking as if you didn't read the manga

Sinbad has a 1-A smurf hax that allows him to thwart that god or another god above the hierarchy picked Sinbad to thwart the other god plan through David?

You know if you want to address something, then address properly. Don't even know where this shit is coming from. This is why I explained how fate works

Yeah your take is utterly wrong

So what is your take. That it is possible for Sinbad to control destiny in such a way Aladdin would defeat the entire Hierarchy. It is as good as saying a lower god can control the faith of a higher god.

 

[Lormac_CC]

wasn’t a flowery statement meant as a motivational speech.

So both of his statement regarding this issue are flowery. Sinbad destiny is also flowery

 

[ImmortalDread]

I never assumed anything there. I provided scans for everything. As I said in the post, please point out the assumptions and head canon. It would be helpful

305

How, the hell is anything I posted unrelated. Every single point = it is impossible for someone within the Hierarchy to control the faith David saw. It is just like saying Sinbad controls faith that Aladdin will defeat all the gods above him. Does that make any sense to you

Right below that panel, you see what the destiny was, Fighting against the gods. Sinbad outright saying his fate was to destroy the very existence of Faith

I don't know why your attention is on a single statement while ignoring the main thing, it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy for chose David or to control faith that affects the entire Hierarchy.



Check chapter 305.

What is your guess on this @Lormac_CC ? Who chose him and why?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Honestly don't get your point here. Sinbad/David are basically same and also see same destiny. You are talking as if you didn't read the manga

You know if you want to address something, then address properly. Don't even know where this shit is coming from. This is why I explained how fate works

You really should start learning how to read to context I’m honestly tired at this point. You could not even get what I said there

So what is your take. That it is possible for Sinbad to control destiny in such a way Aladdin would defeat the entire Hierarchy. It is as good as saying a lower god can control the faith of a higher god.

I will like for you to tag where I said this

So both of his statement regarding this issue are flowery. Sinbad destiny is also flowery

Like I said “let us fight until we see what’s beyond infinite battles”
Is flowery, the quicker you get that, the better.

 

[ImmortalDread]

You really should start learning how to read to context I’m honestly tired at this point. You could not even get what I said there

I will like for you to tag where I said this

Like I said “let us fight until we see what’s beyond infinite battles”
Is flowery, the quicker you get that, the better.

Tbh you need to address it properly to make it clear between other users, it seems only a fight between you and him/her. I am also confused what she is lacking right now. You are making it complicated if you ain't addressing it properly.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Tbh you need to address it properly to make it clear between other users, it seems only a fight between you and him/her. I am also confused what she is lacking right now. You are making it complicated if you ain't addressing it properly.

I already addressed everything in previous posts, him not understanding is not really my fault

 

[Antvasima]

Ugo - loses the 1-B key via sacred palace and just gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

David - loses the potentially 1-B key, as that is now wrong and didn’t happen and would never have happened.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

Sinbad - loses the pontentially 1-B key, same reason as David’s up above.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a likely higher also.

Okay, that is probably fine, but can you write a rather easy to understand proper explanation post, so I can ask other staff members for input, please?

 

[ImmortalDread]

I already addressed everything in previous posts, him not understanding is not really my fault

So Sinbad is also above the hierarchy for thwarting the plan of David that was chosen by a god above the hierarchy who is writing the hierarchy script and Sinbad has a 1-A smurf hax that allows him to thwart that god or another god above the hierarchy picked Sinbad to thwart the other god plan through David?
Yeah your take is utterly wrong
Just learn to read to context and all this can be settled easily

It wasn’t a flowery statement meant as a motivational speech.

This is definitely not the way to address something properly. Even @Antvasima asked you to write a proper explanation post.

 

[PrinceofPein]

This is definitely not the way to address something properly. Even @Antvasima asked you to write a proper explanation post.

Check from page 1, this is page 4. I have done a lot ignored explaining in the previous pages.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Okay, that is probably fine, but can you write a rather easy to understand proper explanation post, so I can ask other staff members for input, please?

Yes I will tomorrow

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks for helping out.

 

[Lormac_CC]

I will like for you to tag where I said

Well, that is basically your take right now, it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy to control fate in such a way that Sinbad or David would defeat the entire Hierarchy, which I am pretty sure you know but for some reason don't want to accept, also this flowery thing is funny, David made such statement twice. Sinbad said is fate was to destroy Faith, all are flowery right

 

[Lormac_CC]

I already addressed everything in previous posts, him not understanding is not really my fault

You didn't address a thing, all you have done is say that my point are head canon and flowery, to which I have asked you to help point out head canon and you haven't done so

 

[Lormac_CC]

Ugo - loses the 1-B key via sacred palace and just gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

David - loses the potentially 1-B key, as that is now wrong and didn’t happen and would never have happened.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a “likely higher with the sacred palace”

Sinbad - loses the pontentially 1-B key, same reason as David’s up above.
Also loses the 1-B via sacred palace and gets a likely higher also.

As for this, I already agreed to them losing their 1-B keys above.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well, that is basically your take right now,

So another assumption on your path?

it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy to control fate in such a way that Sinbad or David would defeat the entire Hierarchy, which I am pretty sure you know but for some reason don't want to accept, also this flowery thing is funny, David made such statement twice. Sinbad said is fate was to destroy Faith, all are flowery right

I will like for you to show me where in the manga David and Sinbad defeated the entire hierarchy and went above the hierarchy.

You didn't address a thing, all you have done is say that my point are head canon and flowery, to which I have asked you to help point out head canon and you haven't done so

I have pointed it out so many times, you failing to see that is something out of my control

As for this, I already agreed to them losing their 1-B keys above.

Then I have nothing else to say
I will just make an explanatory post tomorrow about it and be done here

 

[ImmortalDread]

Well, that is basically your take right now, it is impossible for a god within the Hierarchy to control fate in such a way that Sinbad or David would defeat the entire Hierarchy, which I am pretty sure you know but for some reason don't want to accept, also this flowery thing is funny, David made such statement twice. Sinbad said is fate was to destroy Faith, all are flowery right

They defeat the whole hierarchy? When was it stated that? (should be a clear statement)

 

[Lormac_CC]

They defeat the whole hierarchy? When was it stated that? (should be a clear statement)

Here, thought it would likely take forever to do,

 

[Lormac_CC]

I will like for you to show me where in the manga David and Sinbad defeated the entire hierarchy and went above the hierarchy

So we have gone from show me scans were David and Sinbad are destined to defeat the gods to show me scans were they actually defeated the gods. This is why I took my time to write on the nature of Faith and Singularity, now you are asking me to provide scan for a journey they never started

 

[PrinceofPein]

Here, thought it would likely take forever to do,

Yes they planned to we all know that but they didn’t

So we have gone from show me scans were David and Sinbad are destined to defeat the gods to show me scans were they actually defeated the gods. This is why I took my time to write on the nature of Faith and Singularity, now you are asking me to provide scan for a journey they never started

Yes cause you cannot seem to understand a thing I’m saying.
The fact that they never started the journey means it’s a non-factor and they won’t get a tier for it. The tier been high 1-B not low 1-A. That’s all

 

[Antvasima]

The fact that they never started the journey means it’s a non-factor and they won’t get a tier for it. The tier been high 1-B not low 1-A. That’s all

I personally agree with this view.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Here, thought it would likely take forever to do,

The second scan is literally a counter to what you said. He never defeated the whole hierarchy, he even said it will take him “entirely”, since ya there are infinite gods.
And first scan never shows he actually destroyed the whole hierarchy either, a statement for that.

@Pain_to12 I got a general question, is the sacred palace the entire hierarchy If I am understanding it right?

 

[Lormac_CC]

Yes cause you cannot seem to understand a thing I’m saying.

I just got to understand

The fact that they never started the journey means it’s a non-factor and they won’t get a tier for it. The tier been high 1-B not low 1-A. That’s all

But this isn't my agurment at all. I am not even interested on if Sinbad or David get a tier, I am interested on the cosmology. Infact let's forget David statements as they are nothing more that just supporting agurment, this is my agurment. The fact that there is a character capable of controlling Faith in such a way that Sinbad/David would fight against the the gods on the Hierarchy and would keep surpass them forever. That is my main point, not if Sinbad/David would start their journey. No god on the Hierarchy is capable of a such feat(manipulating fate that it affects the Hierarchy). To put this into perspective, Sinbad/Hierarchy would be like Alma torran while the character controlling this faith would be illah

Yes they planned to we all know that but they didn’t

It wasn't a plan, it was Faith