Mafioso VS Deliquent

[XxZetsuxX]

For the 100th time as the other 2 votes mentioned. His Analytical Prediction is predicated on his prior knowledge of Chuuya and Akutagawa. It does not work in a random encounter fight and all those gun skill points you made already got refuted so im begging you not to go in circles once again. This thread should have been closed by now.

For the 100th Time, His analytical prediction isn't based on someone he knows, I have presented other feats and yet you guys say everything falls under "Prior knowledge" Which isn't true

Why are you assuming this would be the case when he has a lower AP than Mikey and Mikey has tanked hits purposely to punish him self against Taiju in chapter 105, Izana in chapter 171 at the end of the chapter he walked through his punch witbout blinking to ask a question, against Draken in chapter 150 before fighting Izana(who he also tanked several kicks from), Kakucho who said punching Mikey feels like he was punching a ghost and all have have higher AP than Dazai, whose punches are narratively weak as well as his above average fighting ability. You do realize when he punched Chuuya he states "what kind of punch is this? Its even weaker than a massage". So he canonically doesn't even have the same AP as his durability so how would he "beat the crap" out someone who has tanked punches for a while without even acknowledging their presence and have higher AP than Dazai?

Dazai has tanked attacks far stronger than him, Tortured and beated, Had been shot by a sniper, Stabbed by a poisoned knife, Constantly tries to suicide

Only for him to just get back up and start laughing as if nothing happened

Your point?

you are once again attempting to add abilities to Dazai he doesnt even have listed on his profile. Dazai does not have memory manipulation, paralysis inducement, or sense manipulation to claim any of this in this fight.

????

What memory manipulation and sense manipulation

Literally someone above me said whenever Mikey gets out of his DI state he forgets everything that happened while he was in that mode

Just give up first you said he was invulnerable to physical attacks

Never said that

now you think he can stun opponents temporarily. NLH is not that advanced.

They stun, Atsushi was literally stuck mid air incapable of doing anything

 

[XxZetsuxX]

i vote incon

Counted

 

[RoggerReggor]

I now happen to learn a lot about BSD and now I can debate it very well, as I have a BSD simp over my back now . So, let's run it.

What does this have to do with anything ? I'll debate this is whatever nonsense downgrade thread you have planned for Mikey

Tell me one VSI feat Mikey has which surpasses Dazai's VSI of Yokohama spatial integration feat of Volume 8 against Verlaine.
Let's see how badly Mikey gets stomped against Dazai in Battle IQ:
VSI: Dazai (no diffs through the Volume 8 feats against Verlaine, Mikey utterly fails in this one as he's an instinctual fighter and not a strategical one)
Bodily Kinesthetic: Dazai (no diffs through learning Chuuya's attack patterns, Mikey has no feats in the sector)
Simple Battle Strategy: Dazai (no diffs through the Volume 8 feats against Verlaine again)
Complex Battle Strategy: Dazai (no diffs as Mikey has no feats, again)
Short-term planning: Dazai (no diffs, of course)
Long-term planning: Dazai (no diffs, of course, again)
Some Random Bottle Trick Precision which wouldn't help in a fight: Mikey (no diffs as Dazai doesn't have feats)
Martial Arts: Dazai (no diffs narratively, he has at least 8 years of continual experience and more years of stumbled experience before and has same narrative and years of Spartan training, Spartan training is a training which is a harsh training, while Mikey seems to have a comfortable training with his grandpa. Said it himself that Akutagawa, someone from the Detective Agency wouldn't be able to defeat him even after 100 years of training, .)

Overall Battle IQ: Dazai (no diffs)

Secondly, you seem delusional, but I as well never realized that "skill" is a word used for describing the skill users. Dazai of course is thought to have a below average level skill as NLH doesn't help in combat without skills.

He's not a good martial artist ? What a debate. Being a genius isn't gonna help him in a fist fight with no prep time

Bro how is battle IQ not going to help him in a fight with no prep lol? You have got the fundamental definition of BIQ wrong.

No they are NOT, lol, do I need examples of this, mofos will literally talk about their life while 1cm away moving at light speed, never use an anime timeframe. Also, yes Mikey's punches are reliable, look at his wiki to see all his moves. Much more then reliable, I would depend on them if I could lol

No lol. Mikey is not a one-shot knocker when he cannot use kicks, either way, he is not a one-shot knocker as he is just 2.2x better at AP. His punches didn't one-shot people as it can be seen, so no, his hand attacks aren't that reliable. I believe they are on the same level as Dazai's durability and then Mikey's legit done as his attacks are mainly off his leg strength.

You ain't send ONE scan of this, send some proof

Again, its like I'm debating a cote fanboy on tiktok "JuST ReAD tHe liGhT NoVeL". Please provide proof to this. And proof hes more skilled then Mikey

Bro how can I provide the entire Volume for the feats which are to be seen collectively. Again, I provided how he negs in Battle IQ upon his normal feats, Volume 4 and 6 doesn't need to be provided or he just overkills Mikey in BIQ then.

"he is a genius". Can't get more obvious then that

What you see, sir, is an "at least above average, possibly gifted"-level statement indeed.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Also, I need you guys to forget about Chuuya's statement, he's just referring to No Longer Human which is Dazai's skill. This "skill" and the "skill" we are talking about are completely different things, so stop downplaying my boy for real now.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Best girl fra

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Will reply soon, just woke up

Best girl fra

what does this even mean, give reasoning if your going to vote for one person, I hate when people give no reasoning

 

[Robo432343]

Will reply soon, just woke up

what does this even mean, give reasoning if your going to vote for one person, I hate when people give no reasoning

fra means for reasons above...

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

fra means for reasons above...

Lol, bad reasoning = vote for Dazai, Its fine, I'll debunk the points soon but the votes will stay the same and then the matchup will be removed in a matter of days since both characters have ongoing CRT'S meaning all this debating is worth literally nothing and I see no reason for it to keep going

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Dazai FRA

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Okay I'm good now, sorry

 

[Dinozxd]

The thread has gone to shit and there are people voting for characters for the points we debunked.

No lol. Mikey is not a one-shot knocker when he cannot use kicks, either way, he is not a one-shot knocker as he is just 2.2x better at AP. His punches didn't one-shot people as it can be seen, so no, his hand attacks aren't that reliable. I believe they are on the same level as Dazai's durability and then Mikey's legit done as his attacks are mainly off his leg strength.

No way you just said that. Mikey can significantly damage Takemichi with his punches who scales to 703 KJ dura. Same with all of the mid and even low tiers since Takemichi performed the car explosion feat before the final arc. Both Mikey's punches and kicks scale above Dazai in AP (don't bring up Beast Dazai or whatever that is, it's not relevant here).

Bro how can I provide the entire Volume for the feats which are to be seen collectively. Again, I provided how he negs in Battle IQ upon his normal feats, Volume 4 and 6 doesn't need to be provided or he just overkills Mikey in BIQ then.

Battle iq isn't as effective as Martial art and skill. Dazai has been stated to be a below average fighter (you literally can't debunk that. It's the most straight forward statement I've heard in a while) where Mikey was stated to be a genius martial artist. That alone just makes Mikey more skilled.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

The thread has gone to shit and there are people voting for characters for the points we debunked.

this is exactly why I got angry, I deletedd it cause it was rude but still, so much debating for people not to read it man

 

[RoggerReggor]

The thread has gone to shit and there are people voting for characters for the points we debunked.

You literally debunked nothing. Instead, you guys just confused the entire thread with that Chuuya saying that Dazai's skills are below average thing without even verifying why he's saying that lol.

No way you just said that. Mikey can significantly damage Takemichi with his punches who scales to 703 KJ dura. Same with all of the mid and even low tiers since Takemichi performed the car explosion feat before the final arc. Both Mikey's punches and kicks scale above Dazai in AP (don't bring up Beast Dazai or whatever that is, it's not relevant here).

Still doesn't knock down in one-shot, that's my point for the entirety. Secondly, I don't think Mikey is even going to rise after he's restrained by No Longer Human for the time, Dazai will just kill him in that time.

Battle iq isn't as effective as Martial art and skill. Dazai has been stated to be a below average fighter (you literally can't debunk that. It's the most straight forward statement I've heard in a while) where Mikey was stated to be a genius martial artist. That alone just makes Mikey more skilled.

That's where you are very wrong, battle IQ outweighs Martial Arts and Skill, battle IQ is literally the measure of your battle intelligence. Battle intelligence is the best way to win a losing fight, secondly, Martial Arts knowledge and Skill are just things influencing the Overall Battle IQ.
Mikey being stated to be a prodigy doesn't put him at genius skill level when he clearly didn't keep up with the narratives, BUT ONLY FOR NOW, I will accept that Mikey is somehow a genius just because his profile states it. Yes, I accept that he is as skilled as the baseline thing, but he just has an "At least Above Average, possibly Gifted" bodily kinesthetic, he never really strategizes in battle and is rather dependent on his raw speed for primary dodging, he lets out clear openings to Takemichi and Izana, which is a bad thing to do. Don't even argue about how Mikey is more skilled lol, that makes nothing more than a joke, Dazai outweighs in experience, body control, and now even martial arts, with his spartan training feats.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

This ain't an IQ battle broski, battle IQ aint making up for the AP and LS disadvantage of over 3x and 100x

 

[Dinozxd]

You literally debunked nothing. Instead, you guys just confused the entire thread with that Chuuya saying that Dazai's skills are below average thing without even verifying why he's saying that lol.

Zetsu still circling around Dazai's "Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis" and you circling around NLH (without explaining what makes a superpower ability Dazai can nullify or not) and Dazai's battle iq (which effects the battle sure but not to a greater extent then AP, speed, LS and hax). Also, yeah we totally debunked nothing in a ******* 3 page thread

Still doesn't knock down in one-shot, that's my point for the entirety.

He still damages Dazai though.

Secondly, I don't think Mikey is even going to rise after he's restrained by No Longer Human for the time, Dazai will just kill him in that time.

Explain me that ability cuz it seems like it doesn't effect all of the superpowers (although DI is a curse).

 

[RoggerReggor]

This ain't an IQ battle broski, battle IQ aint making up for the AP and LS disadvantage of over 3x and 100x

AP advantage is 2.2x and LS advantage matters only for some scenarios which, sorry, aren't happening.

Also, let Mikey cook attack Dazai, No Longer Human will just restrain him for a while and the fight ain't lasting more than a minute, Mikey isn't even touching him.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

AP advantage is 2.2x and LS advantage matters only for some scenarios which, sorry, aren't happening.

No, its 3x, stop underating Mikey ? LS advantage matters in literally 90 percent of fights

Also, let Mikey cook attack Dazai, No Longer Human will just restrain him for a while and the fight ain't lasting more than a minute, Mikey isn't even touching him.

I can trust a man who thinks someone with superhuman LS can restrain a man with class 25 LS

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

not gonna debate since the thread is gonna get removed immediately anyway. Too many threads for each character atm

 

[Jasonsith]

_anjiro FRA

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

_anjiro FRA

heh...

 

[RoggerReggor]

Zetsu still circling around Dazai's "Analytical Prediction and Info Analysis"

Ok, when did you debunk Dazai's battle IQ or analytical prediction? We already solved the Chuuya problems. Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction for Dazai is times better than Mikey ever will have.

and you circling around NLH (without explaining what makes a superpower ability Dazai can nullify or not)

Already listed on his profile, lmao.

and Dazai's battle iq (which effects the battle sure but not to a greater extent then AP, speed, LS and hax).

AP: Mikey's not AP stomping, so it doesn't matter. I also mentioned about how his punches are less effective. Secondly, Mikey will have to touch Dazai first, which I don't see him doing when NLH restrains him for a while.
Speed: lol.
LS: Doesn't really matter. Dazai is not idiotic enough to give Mikey a hold of his limbs.
Hax: Dazai massively outhaxes, and I see him winning because of this more than his Battle IQ, the NLH restrain was still never countered by any of you guys.

Also, yeah we totally debunked nothing in a ******* 3 page thread

Actually never. You are just overly confident thinking that you debunked anything, and stop saying stuff like you debunked everything bruh.

He still damages Dazai though.

Let him touch Dazai first.

Explain me that ability cuz it seems like it doesn't effect all of the superpowers (although DI is a curse).

DI is a supernatural ability. And talking about abilities, Chuuya's corruption is a kind of "religious" stuff only. Search up Arahabaki, while Dazai cannot nullify it (not because it is a curse ok, but due to it not following the fundamentals of NLH which includes physical contact). Dazai will purely nullify DI, as it clearly aims to amp the physical stats in some way. Stop even trying to debate this.

 

[TheDarkTriadz]

Mikey's LS was just upgraded to class 25, not possibly, past votes shouldn't count now, tag people again

 

[RoggerReggor]

Mikey's LS was just upgraded to class 25, not possibly, past votes shouldn't count now, tag people again

He was already stomping in LS, but many still voted for Dazai, like that even changes anything lol. I don't think that's required, but ok.

 

[Dinozxd]

Ok, when did you debunk Dazai's battle IQ

This is not about Battle iq.

analytical prediction? We already solved the Chuuya problems. Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction for Dazai is times better than Mikey ever will have.

Are you kidding me? We debated that stuff for the whole Page 1 and 2 of this thread yet Zetsu and you never presented anything to rebunk Dazai's trash hand to hand analytical prediction to Izana's level? This thread is starting to become a circus.

Already listed on his profile, lmao.

It just says he nullifies superpowers. I wanna know what makes a superpower nullifiable for Dazai as some superpowers don't work on it.

AP: Mikey's not AP stomping, so it doesn't matter. I also mentioned about how his punches are less effective.

Mikey has the AP advantage by a lot though. And Mikey barely ultilizes punches if he doesn't hold the enemy down.

Secondly, Mikey will have to touch Dazai first, which I don't see him doing when NLH restrains him for a while

I never saw Dazai attacking a restrained person in fights. The person just levitates in the air and gets freed after a while. Even if he does you guys are overrating Dazai's AP here. Mid tiers in TR can't even damage Mikey and they have almost double the Ap Dazai has. Dazai can't damage Mikey if he doesn't land at least 10 punches.

LS: Doesn't really matter. Dazai is not idiotic enough to give Mikey a hold of his limbs.

I saw Dazai grabbing an opponent in a fighting scene i watched. Dazai is pretty much finished if he does that to Mikey.

Actually never. You are just overly confident thinking that you debunked anything, and stop saying stuff like you debunked everything bruh.

Straw manning and stonewalling goes crazy don't you think?

Let him touch Dazai first.

Chuuya's corruption is a kind of "religious" stuff only.

And Mikey's DI is just Karma and Visual Bug is just hallucination? None of the superpowers in TR are actual superpowers other than Takemichi's future vision and timeleaping

 

[Dinozxd]

He was already stomping in LS, but many still voted for Dazai, like that even changes anything lol. I don't think that's required, but ok.

Kid Koji vs Kid Mikey was removed for the same reason. Kid Mikey still stomped when Koji had 12.2 KJ durability but it somehow got removed when Koji got downgraded to 8 KJ lol.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Are you kidding me? We debated that stuff for the whole Page 1 and 2 of this thread yet Zetsu and you never presented anything to rebunk Dazai's trash hand to hand analytical prediction to Izana's level? This thread is starting to become a circus.

Bro this happened in the Ayanokouji vs Mikey thread as well. You literally said how Izana had better analytical prediction than Ayanokouji just upon some statements. And no, I am not going to address it again.

It just says he nullifies superpowers. I wanna know what makes a superpower nullifiable for Dazai as some superpowers don't work on it.

Physical contact or any superpowers which use physical contact, Mikey's DI is counted as Mikey uses physical attacks yes.

Mikey has the AP advantage by a lot though. And Mikey barely ultilizes punches if he doesn't hold the enemy down.

Him utilizing the kicks is the problem. Kicks take more time to land but anyways, he's not going to touch him before.

I never saw Dazai attacking a restrained person in fights. The person just levitates in the air and gets freed after a while. Even if he does you guys are overrating Dazai's AP here. Mid tiers in TR can't even damage Mikey and they have almost double the Ap Dazai has. Dazai can't damage Mikey if he doesn't land at least 10 punches.

Him not attacking doesn't mean he won't lol, for the most of the time he isn't even serious, but anyways, here's the thing, he attacked Akutagawa just after nullifying his ability. And Taiju attacked Mikey and even put him to ground, so I don't know about that one chief.

I saw Dazai grabbing an opponent in a fighting scene i watched. Dazai is pretty much finished if he does that to Mikey.

If he does it and he will do it is a different thing.

Straw manning and stonewalling goes crazy don't you think?

Exactly, stop it.

And Mikey's DI is just Karma and Visual Bug is just hallucination? None of the superpowers in TR are actual superpowers other than Takemichi's future vision and timeleaping

Dark Impulse is a supernatural ability and we gave him "Aura" just because of that. Superpowers are just supernatural abilities so again, no.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Kid Koji vs Kid Mikey was removed for the same reason. Kid Mikey still stomped when Koji had 12.2 KJ durability but it somehow got removed when Koji got downgraded to 8 KJ lol.

No, I would have gotten it removed either way. I didn't know you couldn't make threads for the characters being stomped many ways.

 

[Dinozxd]

Bro this happened in the Ayanokouji vs Mikey thread as well. You literally said how Izana had better analytical prediction than Ayanokouji just upon some statements. And no, I am not going to address it again.

This isn't about Koji vs Mikey thread so don't bring it up please. Also you guys couldn't even prove me wrong so stop acting like you guys won that thread. The result was 7-1.

Him utilizing the kicks is the problem. Kicks take more time to land but anyways, he's not going to touch him before.

Not Mikey's kicks lol. Mikey has extreme flexibility and balance to the point he doesn't even need prep time for his kicks unlike irl martial artists.

he attacked Akutagawa just after nullifying his ability.

Dazai just talks about the dominant hand of a user in the timeframe you sent. What's the actual timeframe?

If he does it and he will do it is a different thing.

Dazai literally grabs opponents physically stronger than him like he did aganist Chuuya (of i remember correctly). Mikey will just give Dazai the Takemichi treatment like i said.

And Taiju attacked Mikey and even put him to ground, so I don't know about that one chief.

Mikey took his punch and didn't resist on purpose to "punish himself". Why would he take Dazai's punch and don't resist to it lol?

Dark Impulse is a supernatural ability and we gave him "Aura" just because of that. Superpowers are just supernatural abilities so again, no.

Chuuya's ability is not supernatural then?

No, I would have gotten it removed either way. I didn't know you couldn't make threads for the characters being stomped many ways.

I remember you guys still debating about Koji winning even though there were 12 times AP diff lol. I hoped you guys told me it was a stomp earlier rather then debating about it for 2 pages and getting it removed after.

 

[RoggerReggor]

This isn't about Koji vs Mikey thread so don't bring it up please. Also you guys couldn't even prove me wrong so stop acting like you guys won that thread. The result was 7-1.

Bro step down from that high horse for a while. You never proved how Izana has high AnPr in that thread because you maybe just realized.

Not Mikey's kicks lol. Mikey has extreme flexibility and balance to the point he doesn't even need prep time for his kicks unlike irl martial artists.

Never really said plus even if it happens like that, the distance will still be much which is my point lol.

Dazai just talks about the dominant hand of a user in the timeframe you sent. What's the actual timeframe?

Wait, sorry.

Dazai literally grabs opponents physically stronger than him like he did aganist Chuuya (of i remember correctly).

Dazai had actually predicted that Chuuya wouldn't beat him badly, and he was prepared for it and was going to lose intentionally, and that's the only time it happened, even Mikey slacked off many times. One time doesn't mean every time.

Mikey will just give Dazai the Takemichi treatment like i said.

Bro Takemichi took his all to dodge Mikey as he was much faster, this is not happening here due to the speed equalize.

Mikey took his punch and didn't resist on purpose to "punish himself". Why would he take Dazai's punch and don't resist to it lol?

Bro Mikey took intentionally punches from Osanai as well, but it didn't work because Osanai is a low-tier, Dazai easily is on the level of mid-tiers for AP, so no.

Chuuya's ability is not supernatural then?

Bro corruption is literally supernatural, it is yes.

I remember you guys still debating about Koji winning even though there were 12 times AP diff lol. I hoped you guys told me it was a stomp earlier rather then debating about it for 2 pages and getting it removed after.

The AP difference didn't matter to me, the attack speed amp was the only problem lol. And yes, I believe that battle IQ can help characters win even against an AP stomp, that's just my way of thinking. Anyways, this is derailing.

 

[Dinozxd]

You never proved how Izana has high AnPr in that thread because you maybe just realized.

You guys would have won if that was the case.

Irrelevant topic though.

Never really said plus even if it happens like that, the distance will still be much which is my point lol.

Just realized Base Mikey has Attack Speed amp through his Roundhouse Kick too lol. Mikey still outspeeds even in Base.

Wait, sorry.

This is fine and all but Dazai actually blocks him with his ability here and that's why he doesn't get damaged. Mikey outspeeds Dazai in this matchup and keeps on getting faster if Dazai can't block his kick and nullify DI with his ability. At least this is how i see this ability.

Even if DI gets nullified from physical contact or something, Dazai would only get a hit off as the character he kicked got freed from the stun after recieving one kick. One kick from Dazai would barely damage Mikey like I said.

Dazai had actually predicted that Chuuya wouldn't beat him badly, and he was prepared for it and was going to lose intentionally, and that's the only time it happened, even Mikey slacked off many times. One time doesn't mean every time.

I want scans.

Bro Takemichi took his all to dodge Mikey as he was much faster, this is not happening here due to the speed equalize.

I was talking about this. It's just a joke about the matchup don't take it as an insult pls.

Bro Mikey took intentionally punches from Osanai as well, but it didn't work because Osanai is a low-tier, Dazai easily is on the level of mid-tiers for AP, so no.

He didn't take punches from Osanai?

Bro corruption is literally supernatural, it is yes.

And it doesn't get nullified from NLH as you said earlier. Then so does DI. Mikey doesn't need DI to win this matchup, I'm just trying to learn the ability and it would cover or not cover DI to choose the difficulty.

The AP difference didn't matter to me, the attack speed amp was the only problem lol. And yes, I believe that battle IQ can help characters win even against an AP stomp, that's just my way of thinking. Anyways, this is derailing.

Yeah lol. This is not about Kid Koji vs Kid Mikey.

 

[Dinozxd]

_anjiro FRA

I feel like this has to be stated.

@Jasonsith I seen your vote was for Manjiro which I also agree with, but the 4 votes that were cast for Dazai were done not In ordinance with the rules of the match. Also in the breakdown of the fight there are things listed as Dazai advantages which were already proven false. For starters he says Dazai is more skilled and a better martial artist when there is a direct contradiction to this from his own partner and himself. Chuuya says he has always been a below average martial artist, and Dazai says Chuuya is the best martial artist while he himself is a below average fighter which means Dazai shouldnt even have the ability on his profile. Mikey has canon statements that he has been a prodigy martial artist since age 4, so how is Dazai a better martial artist and more skilled in CQC?

Next, Dazai's Analytical prediction was proven to be limited to people he only has prior knowledge of, yet the dazai voters say this is incorrect but won't showcase feats/examples of him predicting moves of people he has never met.
1.)He only did it against Chuuya(who he states can read his attacks from their history as partners.
2.) Akutagawa(who he mentored).
There was no other feats listed to prove his Analytical Prediction.

There was properties listed for Dazai's No Longer Human in the debate that arent even on his profile such as invulnerability to physical attacks, paralysis inducement, and sense manipulation which he has neither. All No Longer Human ability does is nullify anything he touches. There is no after effect or stunning that would temporarily incapacitate Mikey, so that was another point that was used to count votes but canonically false.

Lifting Strength isn't even a debate. Since speed is equalized Dazai can't avoid not being grabbed by Mikey since I have proven his analytical prediction is prior knowledge based and this fight is random encounter without weapons. Basically simplifying it down to hand to hand combat. Which Mikey is far better than Dazai.

I just summarized the entire thread to you as this it's too much time consuming to read 3 pages of nothingness. The main concern is people voting for Dazai "FRA" even though those are reasons that got debunked and was never rebunked by the opposers. The wiki rules about vs threads clearly state that the winner should be decided via good reasoning and debating and not votes. What do you think should be done here about the votes?

 

[RoggerReggor]

Just realized Base Mikey has Attack Speed amp through his Roundhouse Kick too lol. Mikey still outspeeds even in Base.

Bro no, it gets equalized through here.

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

This is fine and all but Dazai actually blocks him with his ability here and that's why he doesn't get damaged. Mikey outspeeds Dazai in this matchup and keeps on getting faster if Dazai can't block his kick and nullify DI with his ability. At least this is how i see this ability.

But Dazai will just attack Mikey as he will get at close proximity. Dazai is a quick to attack and witty guy so he attacked Akutagawa in his abdomen while he was restrained, he also attacked Akutagawa on the face, so it would be pretty hard for Mikey to recover from just powerful blows, considering how Taiju's attack was also a punch on the face.

Even if DI gets nullified from physical contact or something, Dazai would only get a hit off as the character he kicked got freed from the stun after recieving one kick. One kick from Dazai would barely damage Mikey like I said.

It doesn't work like that lol, Dazai is only 2.2x weaker than Mikey and that is questionable as well due to the reasons I mentioned before. And an attack from Dazai would damage Mikey, and significantly, to be precise here, that's literally like the fight between a professional wrestler and a martial artist, despite the AP difference, the martial artist would win.

I want scans.

Here you go. Dazai had predicted the entire thing.

I was talking about this. It's just a joke about the matchup don't take it as an insult pls.

I am trying to say the same thing. He just doesn't knock people unconscious at the same moment, he had to continuously punch Takemichi and he still rose up afterwards.

He didn't take punches from Osanai?

Bro I forgot his name wasn't Osanai and was Peh. Here's the stuff.

And it doesn't get nullified from NLH as you said earlier. Then so does DI. Mikey doesn't need DI to win this matchup, I'm just trying to learn the ability and it would cover or not cover DI to choose the difficulty.

Bro Akahabaki is not a physical contact ability, Chuuya literally can do stuff like gravity manipulation which is a non-contact force, DI doesn't work like that and is dependent on physical attacks, DI is literally trash here.

 

[Dinozxd]

Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier.

This was already discussed in the Kid koji vs Kid Mikey thread. It gets reduced, not equalized. This also only covers the speed of the faster character. The faster character is Dazai here and he doesn't have higher attack speed then his combat speed.

But Dazai will just attack Mikey as he will get at close proximity. Dazai is a quick to attack and witty guy so he attacked Akutagawa in his abdomen while he was restrained, he also attacked Akutagawa on the face, so it would be pretty hard for Mikey to recover from just powerful blows, considering how Taiju's attack was also a punch on the face.

I don't undertand how that's a kick to the abdomen, and Dazai doesn't even have Pressure points on his profile. And like i said, Mikey took that punch on purpose and didn't resist to it.

It doesn't work like that lol, Dazai is only 2.2x weaker than Mikey and that is questionable as well due to the reasons I mentioned before.

Stop trying to upscale Dazai in a vs thread. He's 468 KJ and doesn't scale higher than that. Considering Mikey performed this feat at Base and with bad balance, It's safe to say that his roundhouse kick in DI scales much higher which should make the difference at least 3x.

I am trying to say the same thing. He just doesn't knock people unconscious at the same moment, he had to continuously punch Takemichi and he still rose up afterwards.

Takemichi literally couldn't move after he got punched lol. Takemichi scales 1,5x higher than Dazai's dura as well. DI Mikey literally made someone who scales 1.5 times higher than Dazai unable to move with a punch lol. One punch is more than enough to knock Dazai off his feet. Rest is just some ground and pound action till he gets knocked out or straight up dies lol.

Bro I forgot his name wasn't Osanai and was Peh. Here's the stuff.

This was to bring Peh back to Toman after he betrayed them. Also, this just proves my point. Mikey got punched multiple times like he did aganist Kakucho but didn't even get knocked out or damaged.

Bro Akahabaki is not a physical contact ability, Chuuya literally can do stuff like gravity manipulation which is a non-contact force, DI doesn't work like that and is dependent on physical attacks, DI is literally trash here.

DI granting Mikey stat amp is just a side effect lol. The main part of this ability is making Mikey lose control. Mikey straight up doesn't attack people with DI as he's not like other Visual Bug users who can literally slice people in half. His visual bug is just creating hallucinations and his curse is going berserk and hurting people he values.

And like i said, DI being trash doesn't even effect the battle that much. Dazai will just get a hit off.

Here you go. Dazai had predicted the entire thing.

Doesn't change the fact that Chuuya is superior to him and easily overpowered him despite Dazai predicting his movements lol.

Sorry for the late response

 

[DekuGlazer]

Im sorry, but this thread has turned into multiple pages of chaos. It should not be this much discussion. Mikey is the far better fighter and has better offensive and defensive feats and statements against opponents who even had prep time and expert fighters who lured and trapped him and also studied him closely, Mikey still easily beat them, but however Mikey vs Dazai fight is a random encounter. Dazai is a confirmed below average fighter with weak punching ability that felt like massages to Chuuya, meaning the same would apply when he attacks Mikey, who has repeatedly tanked punches from (proof) Peh-Yan, Taiju, Draken(before fighting Izana), Izana, and Kakucho without even attempting to block and all have higher AP than Dazai, but he can also block, parry if he doesn't want to be hit with him even saying it out his own mouth: shown here, here and here(this especially is far above anything Dazai has shown). This is the only martial arts Dazai has used which was a handspring Kick, which Mikey likely can use as well before, punching and kicking Akutagawa into boxes

As mentioned before a multitude of times before Dazai's analytical prediction is limited to his prior knowledge of his opponents. Shown here, he mentions he can read all of Chuuya's attacks specifically because he was his partner and knew him a long time. This detail cannot be ignored in a random encounter fight. The same applies to Akutagawa, who Dazai was a mentor of as mentioned in the Light Novel short story of him being recruited into the Port Mafia.

On top of being the far superior hand to hand fighter Mikey is much more physically stronger character. As shown in Dazai's fight with Chuuya when after dodging the attacks he could read from his prior knowledge of him, he grabbed his wrist. Which would be a bad idea in an equalized random encounter fight with Mikey since Dazai does not know how strong Mikey is and could be grabbed back, have his arm broken with disarticulation/luxation or get slammed to the ground, then mounted and beaten to death with ground and pound which has resulted in Mikey killing South and Kazutora, and putting Takemichi into a 3 day coma. Meaning the same would happen to Dazai who doesnt have the strength to remove Mikey's arm to free himself or the supernatural willpower to outlast the beating. Resulting in his death.

Whoever's IQ being batter does not matter when the physical difference is so wide, He supposedly scales to Chuuya who easily overwhelmed him and even stated reading his moves is not enough to win in a hand to hand fight against him, meaning Mikey would do it on a much higher scale. 2 Dazai attempted to buff Dazai's vague martial arts history by using other characters feats when he is below average himself which should already tell you who actually wins the hand to hand fight.

No Longer Human is not a factor either in this fight for a number of reasons.

1.) Mikey doesn't need it to win having such a physical advantage.

2.) Dazai's analytical prediction won't work on him being limited to prior knowledge based opponents and preparation and him not even winning the fight he uses it in

3.) There was also incorrect factors for the ability used that dont even apply. NLH does not negate or nullify physical attacks. Dazai does not have the invulnerability ability. It also does not "stun" opponents when used which is why Dazai does not have Paralysis Inducement, Sense Manipulation or anything related to stunning someone. Dazai's NLH is the ability to nullify the gifts of others just by touching them.
1.)When he negated Akutagawa and Atsushi neither were "stunned" there were just shocked because they were mindless in their transformations.
2.)Another example of Akutagawa being shocked, not stunned from No Longer Human.
3.)Another example of it not specifying NLH stuns anyone. Just frees Atsushi from mind control
4.)Canceled Grapes of Wrath but never stunned, only suprised.
5.) Didnt stun Chuuya here


There is alot of misinformation in this thread and the creator refuses to acknowledge it or make the necessary changes including the martial arts advantage Mikey has, and the overall hand to hand advantage. For someone who has accused me of downplaying Dazai you have downplayed Mikey far more, even insulted his character multiple times. Its not that serious.

The official vote count should be 5-0 until you guys do the same thing I just did with scans proving every thing you state.

 

[RoggerReggor]

This was already discussed in the Kid koji vs Kid Mikey thread. It gets reduced, not equalized. This also only covers the speed of the faster character. The faster character is Dazai here and he doesn't have higher attack speed then his combat speed.

It just means that Dazai's attack speed gets equalized to Mikey's attack speed, nothing like Mikey will still have an attack speed advantage, otherwise it would be pretty bad and I am pretty sure the wiki's not making a bad rule like that.

I don't undertand how that's a kick to the abdomen, and Dazai doesn't even have Pressure points on his profile. And like i said, Mikey took that punch on purpose and didn't resist to it.

Of course, pressure points is a completely different thing than targeting just weak points. Weak points targeting is normal, and pressure pointing is not normal so I am not going to argue that since Dazai doesn't have that and neither did he state that he was going to make the best use of it.

Stop trying to upscale Dazai in a vs thread. He's 468 KJ and doesn't scale higher than that.

I already went over this. Dazai scales higher than that and the "At least" thing is actually only for that. And that stuff can be discussed. I am not trying to "upscale" Dazai here, instead, you are just trying to rejecting the norms.

Considering Mikey performed this feat at Base and with bad balance, It's safe to say that his roundhouse kick in DI scales much higher which should make the difference at least 3x.

Dazai for obvious reasons would outscale even that.

Takemichi literally couldn't move after he got punched lol. Takemichi scales 1,5x higher than Dazai's dura as well.

Dazai's endurance is higher than Takemichi's endurance. Takemichi fought even after feeling pain, Dazai doesn't care about it.

DI Mikey literally made someone who scales 1.5 times higher than Dazai unable to move with a punch lol.

It's DI Mikey. Normal Mikey couldn't do crap against Izana.

One punch is more than enough to knock Dazai off his feet. Rest is just some ground and pound action till he gets knocked out or straight up dies lol.

The thing is, Dazai is the first one to strike here, and unlike you said, Dazai does damage Mikey.

This was to bring Peh back to Toman after he betrayed them. Also, this just proves my point. Mikey got punched multiple times like he did aganist Kakucho but didn't even get knocked out or damaged.

Against Kakucho, he was in dark impulse and TR is just very inconsistent because against Takemichi who's supposed to be as strong as Kakucho in the same arc pretty much was able to make Mikey fly.

DI granting Mikey stat amp is just a side effect lol. The main part of this ability is making Mikey lose control.

Doesn't matter, the side effect and ability both get nullified.

Mikey straight up doesn't attack people with DI as he's not like other Visual Bug users who can literally slice people in half. His visual bug is just creating hallucinations and his curse is going berserk and hurting people he values.

Those with visual bug cannot counter Dazai's ability either as their visual bugs slice people in half which is just contact, Mikey's DI gets nullified. I don't know why we are running this when this is arguably the only thing his profile best captures.

And like i said, DI being trash doesn't even effect the battle that much. Dazai will just get a hit off.

Doesn't change the fact that Chuuya is superior to him and easily overpowered him despite Dazai predicting his movements lol.

He didn't. Dazai had planned it out to trap Chuuya into doing stuff for him. Secondly, Chuuya is a very different thing, he can go toe-to-toe with characters who are way above his tier and the characters who solo the entire TR verse with zero difficulty. Although both were casual here, yes, I accept that Dazai cannot do crap against Chuuya, but Mikey's the same Atsushi level thing.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Im sorry, but this thread has turned into multiple pages of chaos. It should not be this much discussion. Mikey is the far better fighter

That above average possibly gifted level statement again lol. And thanks for actually providing scans for his BIQ.

and has better offensive and defensive feats and statements against opponents who even had prep time

The bottle cap stuff doesn't happen in battles. A bottle is a still object, unlike a moving opponent.
Defensive feats? No, he just overpowers his opponents through speed and that's the blatant truth that he struggles to fight against characters of speed similar to him.
Rebounding and balance is just acrobatics and Dazai currently has a better feat than him, even Akutagawa performed it (I don't think I should use the word "even" as Akutagawa is a good fighter).
How good is Izana's battle plotting and prep time? What was Izana's battle strategy anyways? It was all Kisaki's plan lol, which was a psychological plan rather than a battle strategy.

and expert fighters who lured and trapped him and also studied him closely,

None of them are even close to an "expert fighter", they are just delinquents who don't come close to even Higuchi.

Mikey still easily beat them, but however Mikey vs Dazai fight is a random encounter. Dazai is a confirmed below average fighter with weak punching ability that felt like massages to Chuuya,

Chuuya has higher durability than Dazai's AP, so high that he can go toe-to-toe with characters who unquestionably belong to way higher tiers. Secondly, Chuuya just mocked Dazai's No Longer Human which I already addressed, so stop manipulating a scan to a different meaning without any proof of how Dazai's skill level is low. Dazai trained Atsushi for 4 and half years, he's like the boss of the port mafia, so does that mean he's better than Mikey because port mafia had more successes than any gang in TR? No lol, give feats and not some never supported narratives, which again are just made up narratives.

meaning the same would apply when he attacks Mikey,

No, Mikey is significantly faster than Dazai like Chuuya was.

who has repeatedly tanked punches from (proof) Peh-Yan,

He's a literal low-mid tier

Taiju,

Tank? LOL. This is exactly what I am saying, Dazai will give him this same treatment

Draken(before fighting Izana),

He fell down in 7 punches? Dazai's doing him in a minute for sure now.

Izana,

He tanked Izana's kick which only happened for once. This just says that Taiju has a higher AP than Izana.

and Kakucho without even attempting to block

That's bad when Mikey is supposed to block here. His head falls to the side either way.

and all have higher AP than Dazai,

Questionable, but ok. Dazai's AP and Dura are much higher than he currently has and that's a fact.

but he can also block, parry if he doesn't want to be hit with him even saying it out his own mouth: shown here,

Dodged Izana merely through outspeeding and not skills which is not going to happen here.

here

Mikey again uses his speed advantage and not his dodging skills.

and herehttps://imgur.com/gallery/aD6RYIp
"(this especially is far above anything Dazai has shown)".

That crap's apparently very normal in BSD, dodging attacks of opponents much weaker or comparable to you is nothing when you are dodging attacks of a much faster character.

This is the only martial arts Dazai has used which was a handspring Kick, which Mikey likely can use as well before

Never got any feats of Mikey pulling such acrobatics off but ok.

, punching and kicking Akutagawa into boxes

Ok.

Dazai also taught Atsushi for 4 and half years, and has a relentless spartan fighting style which I already provided scans for before.

As mentioned before a multitude of times before Dazai's analytical prediction is limited to his prior knowledge of his opponents. Shown here, he mentions he can read all of Chuuya's attacks specifically because he was his partner and knew him a long time.

It isn't like that lol, against Chuuya is a much different thing because Chuuya's a much faster opponent than Dazai.

This detail cannot be ignored in a random encounter fight. The same applies to Akutagawa, who Dazai was a mentor of as mentioned in the Light Novel short story of him being recruited into the Port Mafia.

Dazai doesn't dodge Akutagawa because he knows him from a start, in fact, he's dodging Akutagawa from the start.

On top of being the far superior hand to hand fighter Mikey is much more physically stronger character. As shown in Dazai's fight with Chuuya when after dodging the attacks he could read from his prior knowledge of him, he grabbed his wrist. Which would be a bad idea in an equalized random encounter fight with Mikey since Dazai does not know how strong Mikey

No lol, I never realized this was what you were debating on. Dazai only grabbed Chuuya to attack him simultaneously in background, so I don't know what you mean here when it's pretty clear.

is and could be grabbed back, have his arm broken with disarticulation/luxation

Definitely when Mikey is much faster than Dazai which he isn't.

or get slammed to the ground,

Same thing as before.

then mounted and beaten to death with ground and pound which has resulted in Mikey killing South and Kazutora, and putting Takemichi into a 3 day coma.

The same thing gets done by Dazai when he restrains through NLH.

Meaning the same would happen to Dazai who doesnt have the strength to remove Mikey's arm to free himself

He will just punch him in the abdomen like he does most of the time which is a safe assumption aside from Dazai grabbing since that happening is indeed rare, not having enough strength doesn't mean anything here.

or the supernatural willpower to outlast the beating. Resulting in his death.

Resistance to Pain for some time says hi.

Whoever's IQ being batter does not matter when the physical difference is so wide,

It isn't bro, stop pretending like it is. You can defeat a leopard with some good techniques and even kill it even though a leopard definitely has higher AP than you.

He supposedly scales to Chuuya who easily overwhelmed him and even stated reading his moves is not enough to win in a hand to hand fight against him,

Chuuya scales higher than him. Dazai's AP is through the people who can harm and if he can harm them in return. Stop downplaying Chuuya, he's casually better than the entire Port Mafia without skills.

meaning Mikey would do it on a much higher scale. 2 Dazai attempted to buff Dazai's vague martial arts history by using other characters feats when he is below average himself which should already tell you who actually wins the hand to hand fight.

He's not below average in technique, his skill NLH is described as below average and I already addressed it. If that's the only reason you downgrade him, then no.

No Longer Human is not a factor either in this fight for a number of reasons.

1.) Mikey doesn't need it to win having such a physical advantage.

Ok, but the NLH restrain is bad thing for Mikey already.

2.) Dazai's analytical prediction won't work on him being limited to prior knowledge based opponents and preparation and him not even winning the fight he uses it in

Only if you didn't terminate the scan there and read the chapter further.

3.) There was also incorrect factors for the ability used that dont even apply. NLH does not negate or nullify physical attacks.

It does, for the first attack, were you literally missing everything we discussed because I am pretty sure you did.

Dazai does not have the invulnerability ability. It also does not "stun" opponents when used which is why Dazai does not have Paralysis Inducement,

It's not paralysis inducement, it's just a restrain, and it surely helps him lol.

Sense Manipulation or anything related to stunning someone. Dazai's NLH is the ability to nullify the gifts of others just by touching them.

Yes, he can nullify skills.

1.)When he negated Akutagawa and Atsushi neither were "stunned" there were just shocked because they were mindless in their transformations.

They aren't mindless, they are both able to be strategic until Atsushi and Atsushi alone transforms into an entire beast. But let's leave it, this argument is half-cooked.

2.)Another example of Akutagawa being shocked, not stunned from No Longer Human.

Exactly, they are restrained so of course no, thanks for just proving me correct.

3.)Another example of it not specifying NLH stuns anyone. Just frees Atsushi from mind control

He just used NLH to nullify another skill what are you even cooking bro?

4.)Canceled Grapes of Wrath but never stunned, only suprised.

He literally didn't attack him but waited for Chuuya to do so, that is, if you read the next pages.

5.) Didnt stun Chuuya here

Stun is not the correct word, restrain from attacks is.

There is alot of misinformation in this thread and the creator refuses to acknowledge it or make the necessary changes including the martial arts advantage Mikey has, and the overall hand to hand advantage.

Does Mikey have any relentless spartan training like Dazai? Does he have outright better bodily kinesthetic than Dazai? So no, the OP is very correct here.

For someone who has accused me of downplaying Dazai you have downplayed Mikey far more, even insulted his character multiple times. Its not that serious.

I am just making fun of a fictional character but ok I apologize (no).

The official vote count should be 5-0 until you guys do the same thing I just did with scans proving every thing you state.

You literally missed a lot of stuff and did nothing, nice effort you put there though.

 

[Dinozxd]

It just means that Dazai's attack speed gets equalized to Mikey's attack speed, nothing like Mikey will still have an attack speed advantage, otherwise it would be pretty bad and I am pretty sure the wiki's not making a bad rule like that.

What? The wiki itself says it gets reduced and it was used in multiple threads. Mikey's attack speed is higher than his combat speed (which is pointed out as a wincon for Mikey in this thread btw) so it doesn't get equalized. Travel, Combat and Reaction speed of the faster character gets equalized to the slower character's travel, combat and reaction speed when Attack speed of the faster character gets reduced as the same multiplier they get equalized. This rule doesn't cover Mikey here as he is already the slower character. Both Dazai and Mikey's combat speed is Subsonic+ where Mikey still has Supersonic attack speed with DI and just >Subsonic+ attack speed in Base.

Of course, pressure points is a completely different thing than targeting just weak points. Weak points targeting is normal, and pressure pointing is not normal so I am not going to argue that since Dazai doesn't have that and neither did he state that he was going to make the best use of it.

Targeting weak points is Pressure Points ability.

I already went over this. Dazai scales higher than that and the "At least" thing is actually only for that. And that stuff can be discussed. I am not trying to "upscale" Dazai here, instead, you are just trying to rejecting the norms.

That's not how vs threads work. The oneshot multiplier wouldn't be a thing in that case as you can just say "The character who gets oneshotted actually scales above his current dura so hd is actually not getting onsehotted."

Dazai's endurance is higher than Takemichi's endurance. Takemichi fought even after feeling pain, Dazai doesn't care about it.

So both doesn't care about pain

Also, this is kind of a durability thing. Takemichi couldn't tank Mikey's punch and that's why he couldn't move. Same goes to Dazai.

Dazai for obvious reasons would outscale even that

his current durability doesn't say so.

The thing is, Dazai is the first one to strike here, and unlike you said, Dazai does damage Mikey.

His current AP doesn't say so (I can do this all day lol).

Against Kakucho, he was in dark impulse and TR is just very inconsistent because against Takemichi who's supposed to be as strong as Kakucho in the same arc pretty much was able to make Mikey fly.

No he tanked the hits befoee going into DI. Kakucho would be dead if that wasn't the case lol. Also, Kakucho in the 3 Deities Arc isn't at full power as he's still grieving Izana's death until Mikey influences him and makes him go full power. That's why Takemichi went from being stronger than Kakucho to being relative to him.

Doesn't matter, the side effect and ability both get nullified.

But the ability you said doesn't?

Those with visual bug cannot counter Dazai's ability either as their visual bugs slice people in half which is just contact,

I'm not talking about Visual Bug users not being affected by Dazai's ability. I'm just saying that Mikey's DI isn't exactly like them.

He didn't. Dazai had planned it out to trap Chuuya into doing stuff for him. Secondly, Chuuya is a very different thing, he can go toe-to-toe with characters who are way above his tier and the characters who solo the entire TR verse with zero difficulty. Although both were casual here, yes, I accept that Dazai cannot do crap against Chuuya, but Mikey's the same Atsushi level thing.

That just means Chuuya either scales to them or Chuuya just outspeeds them and none are related as 468 KJ is used for Dazai in this fight.

This is getting tiring dude. Please stop bringing up Dazai being Town Level or being above his current tier cuz I geniunely can't care less. You guys should've not made this matchup if Dazai has the potential to be above his current tier (which is something I believe as well cuz the verse seemed strong after i watched some fights).

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

My vote remajns the same btw

 

[DekuGlazer]

My vote remajns the same btw

Based on what evidence? I debunked dazai badly

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Based on what evidence? I debunked dazai badly

You didn't