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Mafioso VS Deliquent

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You are not here to debate yet casted your vote then changed it off reasoning that isn't even accurate? Do you not here how insane that is
Nah, I even said why I think it's a kick, if you think it's a dash idc, my vote stay based on my reasons, do whatever you want.
 
Me and Reggor gave scans and proof
You barely gave any scans and the scans you gave were debunked.
All you guys did was making a ton of assumptions, inventing things that don't exist "H2H analytical prediction" and "Gun analytical prediction"
You guys couldn't debunk anything and didn't even present any counter arguments
Massibly downplaying Dazai's stamina, Martial arts and other things by literally ignoring everypoint we make
You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat.

What martial arts lol? Dazai doesn't have any. It's just your headcannon.
Then trying to up Mikey's ap just because he had "bad balance"
Which was an accepted multiplier from an old thread but ok.
whereas Dazai has tanked 7-C attacks
I don't see Dazai scaling to 7-C in this matchup.

Edit: I told both you and Rogger to drop this 7-C stuff. You should've upgraded Dazai to Town Level before making this matchup if you wanted a 7-C vs 9-B matchup (which can't even happen).
 
Nah, I even said why I think it's a kick, if you think it's a dash idc, my vote stay based on my reasons, do whatever you want.
You are blatantly going against vswiki voting rules. You never made another point besides the one I replied to which you yourself acknowledges comes down to skill. Which mikey has the advantage.

-Mikey is more skilled
-2.2x higher AP
-Mikey is far superior in physical strength
- Mikey has better stamina

But somehow dazai wins? Lol thats not valid
 
You barely gave any scans and the scans you gave were debunked.
They weren't, You made assumptions, There's a difference
You guys couldn't debunk anything and didn't even present any counter arguments
There was nothing to debunk, As all you guys were doing was making assumptions
You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat.
Boi you just admitted you ignore everything we post and just read what's more convinient for you
What martial arts lol? Dazai doesn't have any. It's just your headcannon.
There you are again making assumptions, When clearly mafia members are trained for combat and the use of firearms and it's clearly stated that Dazai specifically trained them in a spartan level training

Alot of mafia members don't have powers, Literally what are they gonna learn from spartan training? Martial arts

You are not using your head here
Which was an accepted multiplier from an old thread but ok.
It's not, Otherwise he would have that AP rather than his current AP
 
There you are again making assumptions, When clearly mafia members are trained for combat and the use of firearms and it's clearly stated that Dazai specifically trained them in a spartan level training

Alot of mafia members don't have powers, Literally what are they gonna learn from spartan training? Martial arts
Why can't you show us that martial arts training was apart of the Spartan training curriculum? A below average CQC fighter trains them in martial artist with no statements of it? No. He trained them to control their powers. You even said Dazai killed training mafia members when the scans quite literally specifiy that he DID NOT kill them . You are making headcanon feats that don't even exist to bump his skill level. Why are you going to such far lengths that you are even lying about what he has done? That should be a violation.
You are not using your head here

It's not, Otherwise he would have that AP rather than his current AP
......You do realize YOU made the thread.... and YOU chose the AP for the match. How are you telling someone they are not using your head when this debate wouldnt even exist if YOU didnt choose it as his AP? Am I understanding this correctly?
 
You are blatantly going against vswiki voting rules. You never made another point besides the one I replied to which you yourself acknowledges comes down to skill. Which mikey has the advantage.

-Mikey is more skilled
-2.2x higher AP
-Mikey is far superior in physical strength
- Mikey has better stamina

But somehow dazai wins? Lol thats not valid
uh the rules says the winner is the one with better arguments, so if you think your arguments are better you should be fine like this.
 
They weren't, You made assumptions, There's a difference
I'm starting to think something is really wrong with either you or me. You're telling me we were making assumptions now? You guys literally used headcanons (like Dazai being more skilled and a better martial artist) where the whole narrative was aganist it (which is something we proved and you guys couldn't even refute it) and feats that straight up didn't even exist (like Dazai predicting bullet trajectories and predicting moves without prior knowledge). How are we making assumptions here?
There was nothing to debunk, As all you guys were doing was making assumptions
What assumptions?
 
uh the rules says the winner is the one with better arguments, so if you think your arguments are better you should be fine like this.
There was not an argument made for Dazai that was better or countered this, yet you still voted for him and now dont want to address your answer when accoring to the rules when new information in provided you have to respond with descriptive proof or the vote is invalid. If you dont care about vs debates why even comment then change your vote? Without a real reason? Thats kinda suspicious
Im sorry, but this thread has turned into multiple pages of chaos. It should not be this much discussion. Mikey is the far better fighter and has better offensive and defensive feats and statements against opponents who even had prep time and expert fighters who lured and trapped him and also studied him closely, Mikey still easily beat them, but however Mikey vs Dazai fight is a random encounter. Dazai is a confirmed below average fighter with weak punching ability that felt like massages to Chuuya, meaning the same would apply when he attacks Mikey, who has repeatedly tanked punches from (proof) Peh-Yan, Taiju, Draken(before fighting Izana), Izana, and Kakucho without even attempting to block and all have higher AP than Dazai, but he can also block, parry if he doesn't want to be hit with him even saying it out his own mouth: shown here, here and here(this especially is far above anything Dazai has shown). This is the only martial arts Dazai has used which was a handspring Kick, which Mikey likely can use as well before, punching and kicking Akutagawa into boxes

As mentioned before a multitude of times before Dazai's analytical prediction is limited to his prior knowledge of his opponents. Shown here, he mentions he can read all of Chuuya's attacks specifically because he was his partner and knew him a long time. This detail cannot be ignored in a random encounter fight. The same applies to Akutagawa, who Dazai was a mentor of as mentioned in the Light Novel short story of him being recruited into the Port Mafia.

On top of being the far superior hand to hand fighter Mikey is much more physically stronger character. As shown in Dazai's fight with Chuuya when after dodging the attacks he could read from his prior knowledge of him, he grabbed his wrist. Which would be a bad idea in an equalized random encounter fight with Mikey since Dazai does not know how strong Mikey is and could be grabbed back, have his arm broken with disarticulation/luxation or get slammed to the ground, then mounted and beaten to death with ground and pound which has resulted in Mikey killing South and Kazutora, and putting Takemichi into a 3 day coma. Meaning the same would happen to Dazai who doesnt have the strength to remove Mikey's arm to free himself or the supernatural willpower to outlast the beating. Resulting in his death.

Whoever's IQ being batter does not matter when the physical difference is so wide, He supposedly scales to Chuuya who easily overwhelmed him and even stated reading his moves is not enough to win in a hand to hand fight against him, meaning Mikey would do it on a much higher scale. 2 Dazai attempted to buff Dazai's vague martial arts history by using other characters feats when he is below average himself which should already tell you who actually wins the hand to hand fight.

No Longer Human is not a factor either in this fight for a number of reasons.

1.) Mikey doesn't need it to win having such a physical advantage.

2.) Dazai's analytical prediction won't work on him being limited to prior knowledge based opponents and preparation and him not even winning the fight he uses it in

3.) There was also incorrect factors for the ability used that dont even apply. NLH does not negate or nullify physical attacks. Dazai does not have the invulnerability ability. It also does not "stun" opponents when used which is why Dazai does not have Paralysis Inducement, Sense Manipulation or anything related to stunning someone. Dazai's NLH is the ability to nullify the gifts of others just by touching them.
1.)When he negated Akutagawa and Atsushi neither were "stunned" there were just shocked because they were mindless in their transformations.
2.)Another example of Akutagawa being shocked, not stunned from No Longer Human.
3.)Another example of it not specifying NLH stuns anyone. Just frees Atsushi from mind control
4.)Canceled Grapes of Wrath but never stunned, only suprised.
5.) Didnt stun Chuuya here


There is alot of misinformation in this thread and the creator refuses to acknowledge it or make the necessary changes including the martial arts advantage Mikey has, and the overall hand to hand advantage. For someone who has accused me of downplaying Dazai you have downplayed Mikey far more, even insulted his character multiple times. Its not that serious.

The official vote count should be 5-0 until you guys do the same thing I just did with scans proving every thing you state.
 
Why can't you show us that martial arts training was apart of the Spartan training curriculum? A below average CQC fighter trains them in martial artist with no statements of it? No. He trained them to control their powers.
What part of no powers you do not understand? I have said that not all mafia members have powers

Also what part of Chuuya's perspective you do not understand? That same "Below average cqc fighter" Was demolishing entire groups of bandits/mafia/skill users/anti skill users no diff, And regularly thrashing Akutagawa who is a high tier of the verse

He has trained Atsushi and Akutagawa, Since he nullifies their powers, Their only choice is to fight H2H and CQC, Where they were getting obliterated
You even said Dazai killed training mafia members when the scans quite literally specifiy that he DID NOT kill them . You are making headcanon feats that don't even exist to bump his skill level. Why are you going to such far lengths that you are even lying about what he has done? That should be a violation.
Once again, Making assumptions, Assuming this was the only showing of Dazai's strenght when it wasn't

Why are YOU going to such lenghs to make Mikey win by ignoring, dismissing, invalidate with the excuse of "debunking" when all you are doing is making assumptions?
......You do realize YOU made the thread.... and YOU chose the AP for the match. How are you telling someone they are not using your head when this debate wouldnt even exist if YOU didnt choose it as his AP? Am I understanding this correctly?
Because in their calculation section, The highest AP was Mikey's 1,093 MJ feat

There was nothing above that
 
There was not an argument made for Dazai that was better or counted this, yet you still voted for him and now dont want to address your answer when accoring to the rules when new information in provided you have to respond with descriptive proof or the vote is invalid. If you dont care about vs debates why even comment then change your vote? Without a real reason? Thats kinda suspicious
yeah report me if you think I'm biased, go ahead.
 
I'm starting to think something is really wrong with either you or me. You're telling me we were making assumptions now? You guys literally used headcanons (like Dazai being more skilled and a better martial artist) where the whole narrative was aganist it (which is something we proved and you guys couldn't even refute it) and feats that straight up didn't even exist (like Dazai predicting bullet trajectories and predicting moves without prior knowledge). How are we making assumptions here?
Are you for real now? You must be joking right?

We literally gave you a ton of scans to counter your so called "debunk" Where in turn you guys just ignore them
What assumptions?
For starters how about the fact you guys keep saying he can only predict people he knows when it's not true?

We gave you scans, You just ignored them
 
Did someone deadass claim Mikey would stomp The Boxer Yu?
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Are you for real now? You must be joking right?

We literally gave you a ton of scans to counter your so called "debunk" Where in turn you guys just ignore them
Point out what we ignored please.
For starters how about the fact you guys keep saying he can only predict people he knows when it's not true?

We gave you scans, You just ignored them
It's called analysing a character profile. Pretty simple.

You only gave some stuff that either don't scale to Dazai or some basic stuff like a character predicting moves of a character he already has prior knowledge of.
 
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Make the thread then. Or you dont care about vs threads all of a sudden again
 
The thread went from Dazai being a master martial artist to the thread trying to prove he even uses it to begin with. The premise has changed all these times yet all the previous "fra" votes that were used for premises that were changed were still counted. The creater of this thread is hilariously bias lol
 
Point out what we ignored please.
How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat" :)
It's called analysing a character profile. Pretty simple.
You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust you :)

Nor did you seem to do it with AP where it also states he can demolish entire groups of what i'm already tired to repeating
You only gave some stuff that either don't scale to Dazai or some basic stuff like a character predicting moves of a character he already has prior knowledge of.
He didn't know Akutagawa very well and yet he was still able to thrash him

The same who can predict attacks
 
The thread went from Dazai being a master martial artist to the thread trying to prove he even uses it to begin with. The premise has changed all these times yet all the previous "fra" votes that were used for premises that were changed were still counted. The creater of this thread is hilariously bias lol
You and Dino downplayed him to hell with your horrendous bias

We keep showing you proof just for you to downplay him even more to the point it's not funny

I don't see how i'm bias
 
You and Dino downplayed him to hell with your horrendous bias

We keep showing you proof just for you to downplay him even more to the point it's not funny

I don't see how i'm bias
The proof you are showing has new commenters asking for more context than what you provided yet all you do is send the same exact scans again. While repeating the same things and not updating your opinion like a logical unbias user would. Arnoldstone even commented saying he didnt see the premise of the skill level and you still havent changed or proven it. Just recycled the same scans you sent that everyone already seen here
 
How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat" :)
Which was something you did lmao. What did I ignore there again?
You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust you :)
I legit don't understand how Dazai has better stamina. Like half of the feats listed in his profiles are barely stamina feats where the only one that actually makes sense is "laughing off pain and torture" which is fine and all, but Mikey could knock out 3 guys in an instant after getting tortured by Kazutora as well which is beter than only laughing at pain.
Nor did you seem to do it with AP where it also states he can demolish entire groups of what i'm already tired to repeating
Like beating up gangs is an AP feat lol. Mikey stated that he can beat 20000 people and actually beat 550 guys with no difficulty and without even breaking a sweat lol. Mikey is just a better fighter.
He didn't know Akutagawa very well and yet he was still able to thrash him

The same who can predict attacks
@DekuGlazer Already debunked this point and he has more knowledge about BSD then me (and probably you too lo). Please stop bringing up the same refuted stuff and try using some new arguments like we do.
 
The proof you are showing has new commenters asking for more context than what you provided yet all you do is send the same exact scans again. While reeating the same things and not updating your opinion like a logical unbias user would. Arnoldstone even commented saying he didnt see the premise of the skill level and you still havent changed or proven it. Just recycled the same scans you sent that everyone already seen here
Alright then, Let's try again then;

Mikey is considered a "Genius" yeah?

Mikey can beat 500 gang members, Where said members are not skilled in any shape or form of martial arts and are only skilled brawlers they don't have super powers aside from Mikey, Takemitchi, Homeless man, South and Mikey's Brother

Said power is called "Dark impulse" Which basically makes you enter in a berserk state and increases your strenght and speed

Some of them have kinetic vision, unbeatable senses and future sight

Good yeah? Now tell me how they fare against this

15 year old Dazai was the youngest member of the port mafia who rapidly grew to be one of the most dangerous ones and became an executive by doing continous missions where he had to demolish entire groups of mafia who were trained in combat and in the use of firearms to the point to the point of giving them fear just by hearing Dazai's name

Had a spartan level regime of training and also gave it to his subordinates including Akutagawa, Again not all members of mafia have super powers and so the training obviously had to be martial arts and in the said training, There was Akutagawa who evolved to be one of the high tiers of the verse, He also gave said training to Atsushi who is also a high tier of the verse

The powers of BSD has a lot more variety than TR which Dazai as fought, So he is experienced in dealing with super powers, Said users are notable users such as Chuuya, Lovecraft, Akutagawa, Q, And Lovecraft's ally, All of these are Highly skilled users of the mafia and guild

Dazai constantly fights people stronger than him physically on a daily basis, Which makes Mikey not any different to what Dazai is accustomed to

Please do tell me how is this any worse than fighting a bunch of deliquents who didn't even practise martial arts

Let's see how you will downplay Dazai again why don't we :) ?
 
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