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Yep. Crazy how this thread went on for 4 pages cuz of constant straw manning, stonewalling and many more fallacies I don't wanna count from the opposers.This thread should be in grace by now tbh
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Yep. Crazy how this thread went on for 4 pages cuz of constant straw manning, stonewalling and many more fallacies I don't wanna count from the opposers.This thread should be in grace by now tbh
Nah, I even said why I think it's a kick, if you think it's a dash idc, my vote stay based on my reasons, do whatever you want.You are not here to debate yet casted your vote then changed it off reasoning that isn't even accurate? Do you not here how insane that is
You barely gave any scans and the scans you gave were debunked.Me and Reggor gave scans and proof
You guys couldn't debunk anything and didn't even present any counter argumentsAll you guys did was making a ton of assumptions, inventing things that don't exist "H2H analytical prediction" and "Gun analytical prediction"
You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat.Massibly downplaying Dazai's stamina, Martial arts and other things by literally ignoring everypoint we make
Which was an accepted multiplier from an old thread but ok.Then trying to up Mikey's ap just because he had "bad balance"
I don't see Dazai scaling to 7-C in this matchup.whereas Dazai has tanked 7-C attacks
You are blatantly going against vswiki voting rules. You never made another point besides the one I replied to which you yourself acknowledges comes down to skill. Which mikey has the advantage.Nah, I even said why I think it's a kick, if you think it's a dash idc, my vote stay based on my reasons, do whatever you want.
They weren't, You made assumptions, There's a differenceYou barely gave any scans and the scans you gave were debunked.
There was nothing to debunk, As all you guys were doing was making assumptionsYou guys couldn't debunk anything and didn't even present any counter arguments
Boi you just admitted you ignore everything we post and just read what's more convinient for youYou literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat.
There you are again making assumptions, When clearly mafia members are trained for combat and the use of firearms and it's clearly stated that Dazai specifically trained them in a spartan level trainingWhat martial arts lol? Dazai doesn't have any. It's just your headcannon.
It's not, Otherwise he would have that AP rather than his current APWhich was an accepted multiplier from an old thread but ok.
Why can't you show us that martial arts training was apart of the Spartan training curriculum? A below average CQC fighter trains them in martial artist with no statements of it? No. He trained them to control their powers. You even said Dazai killed training mafia members when the scans quite literally specifiy that he DID NOT kill them . You are making headcanon feats that don't even exist to bump his skill level. Why are you going to such far lengths that you are even lying about what he has done? That should be a violation.There you are again making assumptions, When clearly mafia members are trained for combat and the use of firearms and it's clearly stated that Dazai specifically trained them in a spartan level training
Alot of mafia members don't have powers, Literally what are they gonna learn from spartan training? Martial arts
......You do realize YOU made the thread.... and YOU chose the AP for the match. How are you telling someone they are not using your head when this debate wouldnt even exist if YOU didnt choose it as his AP? Am I understanding this correctly?You are not using your head here
It's not, Otherwise he would have that AP rather than his current AP
uh the rules says the winner is the one with better arguments, so if you think your arguments are better you should be fine like this.You are blatantly going against vswiki voting rules. You never made another point besides the one I replied to which you yourself acknowledges comes down to skill. Which mikey has the advantage.
-Mikey is more skilled
-2.2x higher AP
-Mikey is far superior in physical strength
- Mikey has better stamina
But somehow dazai wins? Lol thats not valid
I'm starting to think something is really wrong with either you or me. You're telling me we were making assumptions now? You guys literally used headcanons (like Dazai being more skilled and a better martial artist) where the whole narrative was aganist it (which is something we proved and you guys couldn't even refute it) and feats that straight up didn't even exist (like Dazai predicting bullet trajectories and predicting moves without prior knowledge). How are we making assumptions here?They weren't, You made assumptions, There's a difference
What assumptions?There was nothing to debunk, As all you guys were doing was making assumptions
There was not an argument made for Dazai that was better or countered this, yet you still voted for him and now dont want to address your answer when accoring to the rules when new information in provided you have to respond with descriptive proof or the vote is invalid. If you dont care about vs debates why even comment then change your vote? Without a real reason? Thats kinda suspiciousuh the rules says the winner is the one with better arguments, so if you think your arguments are better you should be fine like this.
Im sorry, but this thread has turned into multiple pages of chaos. It should not be this much discussion. Mikey is the far better fighter and has better offensive and defensive feats and statements against opponents who even had prep time and expert fighters who lured and trapped him and also studied him closely, Mikey still easily beat them, but however Mikey vs Dazai fight is a random encounter. Dazai is a confirmed below average fighter with weak punching ability that felt like massages to Chuuya, meaning the same would apply when he attacks Mikey, who has repeatedly tanked punches from (proof) Peh-Yan, Taiju, Draken(before fighting Izana), Izana, and Kakucho without even attempting to block and all have higher AP than Dazai, but he can also block, parry if he doesn't want to be hit with him even saying it out his own mouth: shown here, here and here(this especially is far above anything Dazai has shown). This is the only martial arts Dazai has used which was a handspring Kick, which Mikey likely can use as well before, punching and kicking Akutagawa into boxes
As mentioned before a multitude of times before Dazai's analytical prediction is limited to his prior knowledge of his opponents. Shown here, he mentions he can read all of Chuuya's attacks specifically because he was his partner and knew him a long time. This detail cannot be ignored in a random encounter fight. The same applies to Akutagawa, who Dazai was a mentor of as mentioned in the Light Novel short story of him being recruited into the Port Mafia.
On top of being the far superior hand to hand fighter Mikey is much more physically stronger character. As shown in Dazai's fight with Chuuya when after dodging the attacks he could read from his prior knowledge of him, he grabbed his wrist. Which would be a bad idea in an equalized random encounter fight with Mikey since Dazai does not know how strong Mikey is and could be grabbed back, have his arm broken with disarticulation/luxation or get slammed to the ground, then mounted and beaten to death with ground and pound which has resulted in Mikey killing South and Kazutora, and putting Takemichi into a 3 day coma. Meaning the same would happen to Dazai who doesnt have the strength to remove Mikey's arm to free himself or the supernatural willpower to outlast the beating. Resulting in his death.
Whoever's IQ being batter does not matter when the physical difference is so wide, He supposedly scales to Chuuya who easily overwhelmed him and even stated reading his moves is not enough to win in a hand to hand fight against him, meaning Mikey would do it on a much higher scale. 2 Dazai attempted to buff Dazai's vague martial arts history by using other characters feats when he is below average himself which should already tell you who actually wins the hand to hand fight.
No Longer Human is not a factor either in this fight for a number of reasons.
1.) Mikey doesn't need it to win having such a physical advantage.
2.) Dazai's analytical prediction won't work on him being limited to prior knowledge based opponents and preparation and him not even winning the fight he uses it in
3.) There was also incorrect factors for the ability used that dont even apply. NLH does not negate or nullify physical attacks. Dazai does not have the invulnerability ability. It also does not "stun" opponents when used which is why Dazai does not have Paralysis Inducement, Sense Manipulation or anything related to stunning someone. Dazai's NLH is the ability to nullify the gifts of others just by touching them.
1.)When he negated Akutagawa and Atsushi neither were "stunned" there were just shocked because they were mindless in their transformations.
2.)Another example of Akutagawa being shocked, not stunned from No Longer Human.
3.)Another example of it not specifying NLH stuns anyone. Just frees Atsushi from mind control
4.)Canceled Grapes of Wrath but never stunned, only suprised.
5.) Didnt stun Chuuya here
There is alot of misinformation in this thread and the creator refuses to acknowledge it or make the necessary changes including the martial arts advantage Mikey has, and the overall hand to hand advantage. For someone who has accused me of downplaying Dazai you have downplayed Mikey far more, even insulted his character multiple times. Its not that serious.
The official vote count should be 5-0 until you guys do the same thing I just did with scans proving every thing you state.
What part of no powers you do not understand? I have said that not all mafia members have powersWhy can't you show us that martial arts training was apart of the Spartan training curriculum? A below average CQC fighter trains them in martial artist with no statements of it? No. He trained them to control their powers.
Once again, Making assumptions, Assuming this was the only showing of Dazai's strenght when it wasn'tYou even said Dazai killed training mafia members when the scans quite literally specifiy that he DID NOT kill them . You are making headcanon feats that don't even exist to bump his skill level. Why are you going to such far lengths that you are even lying about what he has done? That should be a violation.
Because in their calculation section, The highest AP was Mikey's 1,093 MJ feat......You do realize YOU made the thread.... and YOU chose the AP for the match. How are you telling someone they are not using your head when this debate wouldnt even exist if YOU didnt choose it as his AP? Am I understanding this correctly?
yeah report me if you think I'm biased, go ahead.There was not an argument made for Dazai that was better or counted this, yet you still voted for him and now dont want to address your answer when accoring to the rules when new information in provided you have to respond with descriptive proof or the vote is invalid. If you dont care about vs debates why even comment then change your vote? Without a real reason? Thats kinda suspicious
Are you for real now? You must be joking right?I'm starting to think something is really wrong with either you or me. You're telling me we were making assumptions now? You guys literally used headcanons (like Dazai being more skilled and a better martial artist) where the whole narrative was aganist it (which is something we proved and you guys couldn't even refute it) and feats that straight up didn't even exist (like Dazai predicting bullet trajectories and predicting moves without prior knowledge). How are we making assumptions here?
For starters how about the fact you guys keep saying he can only predict people he knows when it's not true?What assumptions?
DekuGlazer is the person your looking forDid someone deadass claim Mikey would stomp The Boxer Yu?
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Malfunctions be likeWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Thats exactly what I said. You can make the thread for it to be debated if you likeDid someone deadass claim Mikey would stomp The Boxer Yu?
9-B keyDid someone deadass claim Mikey would stomp The Boxer Yu?
Yet over 6 people have asked you specifically to provide context for claims you made LMAO. Nobody asked me onceDekuGlazer is the person your looking for
He is heavily biased towards Mikey
As you can see with this whole thread
We gave you the scans but alas you ignored them and made assumptions tooYet over 6 people have asked you specifically to provide context for claims you made LMAO. Nobody asked me once
Point out what we ignored please.Are you for real now? You must be joking right?
We literally gave you a ton of scans to counter your so called "debunk" Where in turn you guys just ignore them
It's called analysing a character profile. Pretty simple.For starters how about the fact you guys keep saying he can only predict people he knows when it's not true?
We gave you scans, You just ignored them
Saying you provided something when its 4 pages of proof that isn't the case is hilariousWe gave you the scans but alas you ignored them and made assumptions too
Make the thread then. Or you dont care about vs threads all of a sudden againWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat"Point out what we ignored please.
You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust youIt's called analysing a character profile. Pretty simple.
He didn't know Akutagawa very well and yet he was still able to thrash himYou only gave some stuff that either don't scale to Dazai or some basic stuff like a character predicting moves of a character he already has prior knowledge of.
You and Dino downplayed him to hell with your horrendous biasThe thread went from Dazai being a master martial artist to the thread trying to prove he even uses it to begin with. The premise has changed all these times yet all the previous "fra" votes that were used for premises that were changed were still counted. The creater of this thread is hilariously bias lol
The proof you are showing has new commenters asking for more context than what you provided yet all you do is send the same exact scans again. While repeating the same things and not updating your opinion like a logical unbias user would. Arnoldstone even commented saying he didnt see the premise of the skill level and you still havent changed or proven it. Just recycled the same scans you sent that everyone already seen hereYou and Dino downplayed him to hell with your horrendous bias
We keep showing you proof just for you to downplay him even more to the point it's not funny
I don't see how i'm bias
Which was something you did lmao. What did I ignore there again?How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat"
I legit don't understand how Dazai has better stamina. Like half of the feats listed in his profiles are barely stamina feats where the only one that actually makes sense is "laughing off pain and torture" which is fine and all, but Mikey could knock out 3 guys in an instant after getting tortured by Kazutora as well which is beter than only laughing at pain.You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust you
Like beating up gangs is an AP feat lol. Mikey stated that he can beat 20000 people and actually beat 550 guys with no difficulty and without even breaking a sweat lol. Mikey is just a better fighter.Nor did you seem to do it with AP where it also states he can demolish entire groups of what i'm already tired to repeating
@DekuGlazer Already debunked this point and he has more knowledge about BSD then meHe didn't know Akutagawa very well and yet he was still able to thrash him
The same who can predict attacks
Alright then, Let's try again then;The proof you are showing has new commenters asking for more context than what you provided yet all you do is send the same exact scans again. While reeating the same things and not updating your opinion like a logical unbias user would. Arnoldstone even commented saying he didnt see the premise of the skill level and you still havent changed or proven it. Just recycled the same scans you sent that everyone already seen here
It's grace with your vote right?Funny how its always the TR fans, lmao.
Anyway, Dazai FRA.
Funny how you cant even tell me a valid reason for commenting "dazai FRA" ehile trying to insult TR fansFunny how its always the TR fans, lmao.
Anyway, Dazai FRA.
Nah, it would need to be 0/7 for a grace. You need more votes.It's grace with your vote right?
You guys make it so easy.ehile trying to insult TR fans
He said FRA, Theres your answerFunny how you cant even tell me a valid reason for commenting "dazai FRA" ehile trying to insult TR fans
DamnNah, it would need to be 0/7 for a grace. You need more votes.
i just need valid reasoning im not here to discuss fandoms. It's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Dazai has yet to be proven nothing more than a below average fighterNah, it would've been 0/7 to be grace. You need more votes.
You guys make it so easy.
FRA is not valid when half the thread is requesting more information for the stuff he is saying FRA for . Learn the rulesHe said FRA, Theres your answer