• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Why is this a debate anyway, what happens when my Mikey hax thread or my future (secret) Mikey thread comes, this matchup would just be removed, dumb
matchup lol, Seven solos BSD
Bro, stop being confident on how Mikey will get much more abilities in the near future. Zetsu is going to work on Dazai's profile because it's heavily outdated. Secondly, I am sure that the verse is Tier 8 or 9-A at the least. Stop "why is this a debate anyway"ing us lol, this matchup will be removed from the threads not because Mikey gains abilities, it would be because Mikey is going to get AP stomped lol.
 
I am going to ask again, what's the chances of Mikey countering NLH restrain for a while (actually none objectively) and having enough battle IQ to even stand with Dazai? 💀 Like, I want actual scans of Mikey being above his above average rating.

Imagine Zetsu pulls out "Dazai is in Beast Mode". 💀
 

A better one I have.
OIP.o-ma-vfBHbEQY9VLWG5jvQHaFS


Plus, do you have any Mikey battle IQ feats?
 
Ok, let me give you a clear cut answer to this.
You guys either never read BSD or have no idea about NLH.
NLH as an ability is much complex ability than Dark Impulse. Dazai will just nullify Dark Impulse and when he does so, he will not receive any damage. Secondly, Dazai will also restrain Mikey from doing any continual attacks for a few seconds, so that's a perfect time for Dazai to land attack. Secondly, Dazai has enough AP to stomp on Mikey's face or something like that. Considering how smart he is, he will surely repeatedly attack Mikey. Secondly, Mikey when he comes out of DI will have to grasp the situation as well. Dazai will easily overpower him in intelligence and this fight would end in like a minute lol.
Lol, I love how you take anime timeframes as "this is gonna stop Mikey for a couple seconds", also, Dazai can't hurt Mikey lol ? Mikey's insane willpower, he would tank 100s of hits from Dazai before being stopped. Dazai also couldn't get Mikey to the ground lol, whats so hard to understand that Mikey has an LS of over 10,000 kg, Dazai if restrained would be killed in a matter of punches, Dazai would have to try to hit Mikey and would get caught and handled swiftly.
Bro, stop being confident on how Mikey will get much more abilities in the near future. Zetsu is going to work on Dazai's profile because it's heavily outdated. Secondly, I am sure that the verse is Tier 8 or 9-A at the least. Stop "why is this a debate anyway"ing us lol, this matchup will be removed from the threads not because Mikey gains abilities, it would be because Mikey is going to get AP stomped lol.
Hahahaha, Mikey AP stomp is gonna be hard for you. Anyhow, lets not argue about useless things
I am literally considering making a downgrade thread just to downgrade Mikey's martial arts. I genuinely think someone pretty much messed up and gave him "Genius" like nothing. All he has is "Gifted" level feats in martial arts and Above Average in the rest of the combat stuff. TR as a verse doesn't even go deep into analysis or strategical combat warfare lol, while Bungou Stray Dogs is an exact opposite. Narratively, Bungou Stray Dogs thrashes TR in skill, and it's not close.
Are you saying you are admitting to prematurely making a downplay thread just because Mikey was proven superior to a character that canonically isn't even a good fighter because you personally believe his skill level is too high and it gives you a better chance of making him lose vs matchups? That is blatant bias if I ever hear it. You and another member used strawman fallacy all this and now that dazai's skill has been debunked refuting everything you said you want to downgrade a character? Its not that serious just change your vote and lets get this thread over with. I seen another member mention a CRT being active so this thread isnt even supposed to be open currently so the votes should be recounted correctly.
 
Mikey doesnt need Dark impulse to overpower a below average hand to hand fighter man. He no diffs him in hand to hand. Relying on his intelligence when Mikeys only goal is to beat him to death is another attempt to change the narrative of the fight. This is not a intelligence battle. This is a random encounter fight in a field
 
Hope you guys realise you turned a simple thread into pure chaos and went REALLY out of topic here. I'll participate in this thread when i actually want to deal with this shit.

BSD supporters, why are you guys making a matchup which will get removed either way as you guys state? Don't you understand that sounds really wrong? How is Dazai AP stomping Mikey relevant to the thread? I don't understand any of this.
 
the scan didn't say "it's below average" it said "it's below average for the mafia" tho Rogger said it was sarcastic as Dazai has an hand to hand skill feat near that part and the dude was surprised.
 
Mikey knows some martial arts but it's just that

He doesn't plan against oponents, Nor strategy against opponents

His leadership sucks and doesn't command anyone besides "Come to the battlefield"

Boi literally just attacks and doesn't think of anything else

How is this genius intelligence?
 
Mikey knows some martial arts but it's just that

He doesn't plan against oponents, Nor strategy against opponents

His leadership sucks and doesn't command anyone besides "Come to the battlefield"

Boi literally just attacks and doesn't think of anything else

How is this genius intelligence?
I laughed.
 
literally going aganist the narrative with the third point as the series state how much of a good leader Mikey is.
He is just liked as a leader, Show me good leadership that isn't just "Come to battlefield and fight"

I want strategy, Planning, outsmarting

Going to places that is of advantage to his gang

Till you prove otherwise, He is no more than gifted
I'll discuss everything else soon
I want now
 
My PFP is my honest reaction.

Ok, I am still asking about how Mikey gets even the battle IQ near Dazai's level for fighting him.
Lol, I love how you take anime timeframes as "this is gonna stop Mikey for a couple seconds", also, Dazai can't hurt Mikey lol ? Mikey's insane willpower, he would tank 100s of hits from Dazai before being stopped. Dazai also couldn't get Mikey to the ground lol, whats so hard to understand that Mikey has an LS of over 10,000 kg, Dazai if restrained would be killed in a matter of punches, Dazai would have to try to hit Mikey and would get caught and handled swiftly.
Bro stop deviating. 💀
Anime timeframes are reliable as long as its canon. It's pretty obvious that Dazai had to restrain him for a while otherwise he would have ben attacked, but Atsushi just stayed in his place like he was levitating, your excuse doesn't justify anything.
Secondly, Mikey is unreliable on his punches, punches is the best thing you can do in this fight as kicks would require much more distance which Dazai can easily react.
Hahahaha, Mikey AP stomp is gonna be hard for you. Anyhow, lets not argue about useless things
Bro what you saying. 💀
Are you saying you are admitting to prematurely making a downplay thread just because Mikey was proven superior to a character that canonically isn't even a good fighter because you personally believe his skill level is too high and it gives you a better chance of making him lose vs matchups?
Bro Dazai is canonically a good fighter. Stop taking a literal character statement said out of narcissistic attitude to level yourself up.
That is blatant bias if I ever hear it.
It isn't. Read Volume 4 and Volume 6 of the LN, Dazai's battle IQ is pretty underrated here.
You and another member used strawman fallacy all this and now that dazai's skill has been debunked refuting everything you said you want to downgrade a character?
Bro are you literally just accusing us of "strawman fallacy" when Dazai's skill doesn't get debunked off Chuuya's statements and he himself appreciated Dazai afterwards?
 
He is just liked as a leader, Show me good leadership that isn't just "Come to battlefield and fight"

I want strategy, Planning, outsmarting

Going to places that is of advantage to his gang

Till you prove otherwise, He is no more than gifted

I want now
Mikey is not a good leader, on a emotional basis, he is, on a strategical basis, he isn't. All he does is just motivate his gang, Takemichi and Chifuyu had to save the future of Toman many times from Kisaki who's not even that smart of a character if we put his negotiation feats aside.
 
Mikey is not a good leader, on a emotional basis, he is, on a strategical basis, he isn't. All he does is just motivate his gang, Takemichi and Chifuyu had to save the future of Toman many times from Kisaki who's not even that smart of a character if we put his negotiation feats aside.
How is that even genius intelligence then????

His prodigy statement does not make him Genius combat, Even his combat display isn't even genius level
 
Mikey knows some martial arts but it's just that
And Dazai is below average and doesn't know any. Which is why you were trying to use other characters feats to make his narrative better when he himself is a below average fighter and mikey is a prodigy martial artist. Not to mention Mikey using multiple forms of martial arts when he fights, honestly counting he uses over 10
He doesn't plan against oponents, Nor strategy against opponents
He doesnt have to plan for a random encounter fight. He just have to be more skilled. Which he is. Dazai shouldn't even have martial arts on his profile. Not to mention he can't ? There isn't prep time
His leadership sucks and doesn't command anyone besides "Come to the battlefield"
He doesnt have to command anyone in a random encounter fight with Dazai.
Boi literally just attacks and doesn't think of anything else
Thats all he needs to beat a canonically below average fighter. Dont make me pull up all his fights smh.
Mikey is not a good leader, on a emotional basis, he is, on a strategical basis, he isn't. All he does is just motivate his gang, Takemichi and Chifuyu had to save the future of Toman many times from Kisaki who's not even that smart of a character if we put his negotiation feats aside.
What does this have to do with anything ? I'll debate this is whatever nonsense downgrade thread you have planned for Mikey
Ok, I am still asking about how Mikey gets even the battle IQ near Dazai's level for fighting him.
He's not a good martial artist ? What a debate. Being a genius isn't gonna help him in a fist fight with no prep time
Bro stop deviating. 💀
Anime timeframes are reliable as long as its canon. It's pretty obvious that Dazai had to restrain him for a while otherwise he would have ben attacked, but Atsushi just stayed in his place like he was levitating, your excuse doesn't justify anything.
Secondly, Mikey is unreliable on his punches, punches is the best thing you can do in this fight as kicks would require much more distance which Dazai can easily react.
No they are NOT, lol, do I need examples of this, mofos will literally talk about their life while 1cm away moving at light speed, never use an anime timeframe. Also, yes Mikey's punches are reliable, look at his wiki to see all his moves. Much more then reliable, I would depend on them if I could lol
Bro Dazai is canonically a good fighter. Stop taking a literal character statement said out of narcissistic attitude to level yourself up.
You ain't send ONE scan of this, send some proof
It isn't. Read Volume 4 and Volume 6 of the LN, Dazai's battle IQ is pretty underrated here.
Again, its like I'm debating a cote fanboy on tiktok "JuST ReAD tHe liGhT NoVeL". Please provide proof to this. And proof hes more skilled then Mikey
How is that even genius intelligence then????

His prodigy statement does not make him Genius combat, Even his combat display isn't even genius level
"he is a genius". Can't get more obvious then that
 
And Dazai is below average and doesn't know any. Which is why you were trying to use other characters feats to make his narrative better when he himself is a below average fighter and mikey is a prodigy martial artist. Not to mention Mikey using multiple forms of martial arts when he fights, honestly counting he uses over 10

He doesnt have to plan for a random encounter fight. He just have to be more skilled. Which he is. Dazai shouldn't even have martial arts on his profile. Not to mention he can't ? There isn't prep time

He doesnt have to command anyone in a random encounter fight with Dazai.

Thats all he needs to beat a canonically below average fighter. Dont make me pull up all his fights smh.

What does this have to do with anything ? I'll debate this is whatever nonsense downgrade thread you have planned for Mikey

He's not a good martial artist ? What a debate. Being a genius isn't gonna help him in a fist fight with no prep time

No they are NOT, lol, do I need examples of this, mofos will literally talk about their life while 1cm away moving at light speed, never use an anime timeframe. Also, yes Mikey's punches are reliable, look at his wiki to see all his moves. Much more then reliable, I would depend on them if I could lol

You ain't send ONE scan of this, send some proof

Again, its like I'm debating a cote fanboy on tiktok "JuST ReAD tHe liGhT NoVeL". Please provide proof to this. And proof hes more skilled then Mikey

"he is a genius". Can't get more obvious then that
I'm speaking of his leadership feats in the anime, Not in a VS thread
 
Recount the votes please, 4-4 is invalid.
I will just end this with the proof I found directly from Dazai and Chuuya which you left out and never mentioned. Chuuya specifically states: "Your combat skills have always been below average in the port mafia", and Dazai replies with "As expected of the best martial artist in the mafia" which are canon statements confirming and which refuting every single claim you tried to make for his skill level and all those feats you sent are irrelevant now because Mikey is easily more skilled in hand to hand. It should be changed in the advantages and the votes are now once again invalidated since i have debunked his hand to hand skill level. Which is below average which is why you never sent scans of his fighting history or feats of him predicting anyone he hasnt had prior knowledge of.


Another point that was made got debunked so anything in agreement before based on skill is now invalid this is obviously a Mikey victory based on the new proof.
 
It is, Because in doing all of that proves how good is your Battle IQ

Planning, Strategizing all of that can be used for Battle IQ, Which Mikey has 0 showings
What ? Dude ? This isn't a matter of planning OR strategizing since theres no prep time, and mid battle, Dazai isn't gonna think about Mikey cause he knows NOTHING about Mikey meaning he likely wouldn't even use his power thing so DI would be active for a while. Bascially, Dazai's face would be stomped in, then he likely wouldn't activate his little thing since his arms are broken from Mikey's disarticulation.
 
Recount the votes please, 4-4 is invalid.



Another point that was made got debunked so anything in agreement before based on skill is now invalid this is obviously a Mikey victory based on the new proof.
Why do you keep saying it's debunked when it's not? Why do you keep invalidating everything? Why do you keep saying it's debunked when people are constantly presenting arguments that makes the "debunked" part null?

You want Mikey to win that much?
 
Why do you keep saying it's debunked when it's not? Why do you keep invalidating everything? Why do you keep saying it's debunked when people are constantly presenting arguments that makes the "debunked" part null?

You want Mikey to win that much?
Nah, reggor just dodging telling us to read the LN, he likely getting scans now but my points haven't been debunked as of now
 
What ? Dude ? This isn't a matter of planning OR strategizing since theres no prep time, and mid battle,
Battle IQ consists of how good you are in battle, utilizing everything in your power, awareness, strategy mid battle, planning mid battle all of that, Which Mikey has no showing, Where in turn Dazai as a lot of them
Dazai isn't gonna think about Mikey cause he knows NOTHING about Mikey meaning he likely wouldn't even use his power thing so DI would be active for a while.
NLH is always active, The moment he touches Dazai he will get power nulled
Bascially, Dazai's face would be stomped in, then he likely wouldn't activate his little thing since his arms are broken from Mikey's disarticulation.
What i said above
 
Battle IQ consists of how good you are in battle, utilizing everything in your power, awareness, strategy mid battle, planning mid battle all of that, Which Mikey has no showing, Where in turn Dazai as a lot of them
Mikey a genius martial artist, although Dazai's smart, he's not getting Mikey's skill, no battle IQ is going to help him unless he gets a gun (Mikey would just tank the shots or dodge it likely), the fight would be over in a minute
NLH is always active, The moment he touches Dazai he will get power nulled
Doesn't Dazai have to touch Mikey ? If so Mikey's LS would help him grab him or Mikey would break his arm (disarticulation is a base use too since its in his special skills)
 
Mikey a genius martial artist, although Dazai's smart, he's not getting Mikey's skill, no battle IQ is going to help him unless he gets a gun (Mikey would just tank the shots or dodge it likely), the fight would be over in a minute
He has analytical prediction and information analysis for gods sake
Doesn't Dazai have to touch Mikey ? If so Mikey's LS would help him grab him or Mikey would break his arm (disarticulation is a base use too since its in his special skills)
There needs to be physical contact from both sides

Meaning if Mikey even manages to touch even a fiber of his hair Mikey will get power nulled and stunned for a few secs, Where Dazai can beat the crap out of him

Moreover the fact Mikey will not remember anything that happened when he was in DI mode and will be stunned until he gets hitted by Dazai
 
He has analytical prediction and information analysis for gods sake
Didn't we talk about this. Give proof that he can read any attacks especially from Mikey.
There needs to be physical contact from both sides

Meaning if Dazai even manages to touch even a fiber of his hair Mikey will get power nulled and stunned for a few secs, Where Dazai can beat the crap out of him

Moreover the fact Mikey will not remember anything that happened when he was in DI mode and will be stunned until he gets hitted by Dazai
You keep bringing up Mikey being stopped for a few seconds but there isn't proof of this other then some anime timeframe stuff, confusing shit because the power levels of those two could also be massively different meaning different times. Also, Mikey's 3x AP advantage/dura advantage should be enough for him to tank any hits Dazai throws (since his dura is insane and his will power is even more insane).

Again, I don't think you realise, after Dazai stops Mikey and beats him up (even though this is wrong and incorrect). Mikey would get up in perfect condition lol, Dazai doesn't have the AP to significantly put Mikey down like Kazutora did (who is a mid tier meaning his AP is around twice of Dazai's). And even after the beating Mikey got he was still fine lol. After whatever happens in the first ten seconds, the moment Dazai comes near Mikey he would get restrained or have his limbs broken. And since he's not as skilled as Mikey martial arts wise he would know this and would just be pressed by Mikey. Not to mention Mikey's insane stamina LOL. The fight would end in Dazai's arms being broken and him begging for forgiveness.
 
He has analytical prediction and information analysis for gods sake
For the 100th time as the other 2 votes mentioned. His Analytical Prediction is predicated on his prior knowledge of Chuuya and Akutagawa. It does not work in a random encounter fight and all those gun skill points you made already got refuted so im begging you not to go in circles once again. This thread should have been closed by now.
There needs to be physical contact from both sides. Meaning if Dazai even manages to touch even a fiber of his hair Mikey will get power nulled and stunned for a few secs, Where Dazai can beat the crap out of him
Why are you assuming this would be the case when he has a lower AP than Mikey and Mikey has tanked hits purposely to punish him self against Taiju in chapter 105, Izana in chapter 171 at the end of the chapter he walked through his punch witbout blinking to ask a question, against Draken in chapter 150 before fighting Izana(who he also tanked several kicks from), Kakucho who said punching Mikey feels like he was punching a ghost and all have have higher AP than Dazai, whose punches are narratively weak as well as his above average fighting ability. You do realize when he punched Chuuya he states "what kind of punch is this? Its even weaker than a massage". So he canonically doesn't even have the same AP as his durability so how would he "beat the crap" out someone who has tanked punches for a while without even acknowledging their presence and have higher AP than Dazai?
Moreover the fact Mikey will not remember anything that happened when he was in DI mode and will be stunned until he gets hitted by Dazai
you are once again attempting to add abilities to Dazai he doesnt even have listed on his profile. Dazai does not have memory manipulation, paralysis inducement, or sense manipulation to claim any of this in this fight. Just give up first you said he was invulnerable to physical attacks now you think he can stun opponents temporarily. NLH is not that advanced.
 
Didn't we talk about this. Give proof that he can read any attacks especially from Mikey.
We did not, First off;

Akutagawa who can predict moves, Couldn't do nothing against Dazai and was regularly thrashed by him, Meaning he can overpower his predictions with his own, Meaning he can predict how a person will move in advance

Chuuya stated he was reading his moves, Not only that he was also stated to be able to memorise fighting habits, Methods and timing

Chuuya also confirming he is predicting his moves

Knows what number Dostoevsky is thinking of, and Dostoevsky in turn predicts what number Dazai is thinking of

He was able to predict how many bullets will a shooter shoot at him just upon the shooter's emotions

Knew the mimic minion was using his non-dominant hand just by looking on the mark on his cheek and knew he was gonna miss the shot based on his shaking even if he was in close range

And can predict gun trajectories at close range

This feats easily makes him able to dodge anything Mikey has to offer even with speed advantage

His deduction feats in his intelligence section also helps him realize Mikey is a taekwondo user and some other stuff

You keep bringing up Mikey being stopped for a few seconds but there isn't proof of this other then some anime timeframe stuff, confusing shit because the power levels of those two could also be massively different meaning different times.
He literally stays immobile in the air (11:59) incapable of doing anything
Also, Mikey's 3x AP advantage/dura advantage should be enough for him to tank any hits Dazai throws (since his dura is insane and his will power is even more insane).
He has 2,2x Advantage not 3x
Again, I don't think you realise, after Dazai stops Mikey and beats him up (even though this is wrong and incorrect). Mikey would get up in perfect condition lol, Dazai doesn't have the AP to significantly put Mikey down like Kazutora did (who is a mid tier meaning his AP is around twice of Dazai's). And even after the beating Mikey got he was still fine lol. After whatever happens in the first ten seconds, the moment Dazai comes near Mikey he would get restrained or have his limbs broken. And since he's not as skilled as Mikey martial arts wise he would know this and would just be pressed by Mikey. Not to mention Mikey's insane stamina LOL. The fight would end in Dazai's arms being broken and him begging for forgiveness.
Dazai is more skilled and has dealt with alot more variety of opponents

Entire groups of mafia/Bandits full of guns

And skill users who all have super powers

No character in TR has come close to this level, And to make it worse, They are not even gun level
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top