Madara's Low 6-B with Tengai Shinsei Downgrade

[AppleLord]

Original Calc.

Most importantly regarding this part "The average ablation speed is 3,000m/s. I'll use that as the mid-end, and 4,000m/s as the high-end since Madara was trying to wipe everything out."

• This rock is called a "meteor" by the fanbase. A game (none-canon) calls it Tengai Shinsei which is not mentioned on the manga or anime.

• It's a Rinnegan summoning technique. Madara used his Sussano for the hand seals.

• This pixel scaling is for the two meteors, and looks like this scan.

• The meteor isn't using ablation speed on either the manga or anime.

We just saw that Madara summoned a giant rock with his rinnegan, now where else did Madara do this same feat? Oh, here he demonstrated this power once more with his Rinnegan on a bigger scale.

• Meteors are just pieces of land pulled by Madara's Rinnegan.

• The "Meteors" didn't have ablation speed.

Here will be the new version. I propose we use the same height that Madara targeted for his "rain" drop, so 12 km.

• There's no proof the 2 meteors were summoned from space.

• The "meteors" weren't ablated.

M = 3084570534114521kg

g = 9.81 m/s2

h = 12 km (using this image since there's no reason to assume the meteors didn't come from the Troposphere like the "rain" drops that were not ablated either.)

TV= (The terminal velocity occurs at the point where the acceleration due to gravity is exactly offset by the deceleration due to atmospheric drag.)

• M = V * D
• M = 3084570534114521kg

89.408 m/s Low-End 2.9466312141 Gigaton High 7-A Large Mountain level

134.11 m/s Mid-End 6.6297225143 Gigaton 6-C Island level

178.816 m/s High-End 11.786525096 Gigaton 6-C Island level

Note: If someone knows a better way to calc this with a better formula, such as Potential Gravitational Energy, please do since I'm not very knowledgeable on that version. Perhaps we can get higher results, but right now the current calc is wrong for assuming the meteor is ablated.

 

[TataHakai]

There's a lot wrong with this but i don't have time for it right now so i'll get back to this

The first point is wrong to start off with

"This rock is called a "meteor" by the fanbase. "

 

[Paul_Frank]

I just want to say that saying he used Chibaku Tensei off-screen before dropping the meteors doesn't work

The justu has different hand signs different names and best of all

He literally had no point in time where he could have used Chibaku Tensei. He activates his Rinnegan and absorbs a Rasenshuriken.

He then heads up to talk to Kabuto and drops the meteors. There was no point in time where he could have used chibaku tensei

 

[Callsign_Castle]

In order for it to be chibaku tensei, we would have had to seen him physically use black sphere cores, which doesn't happen. They're pulled from the "upper atmosphere" with no burning or glowing effects.

Not sure about the rest of the calculation here though.

 

[TataHakai]

"This pixel scaling is for the two meteors, and looks like this scan."
This is also wrong

The scan that's used in the pixel scaling is this one

 

[AppleLord]

"This pixel scaling is for the two meteors, and looks like this scan."
This is also wrong

The scan that's used in the pixel scaling is this one

Which isn't remotely identical to the size we already got in the second link I provided. I thought we used the two meteors for the previous calc or someone intentionally inflamated the calc.

 

[TataHakai]

But why would we use the second link? There's nothing to scale from.

 

[GilgaArcuied]

I agree with Applelord the downgrade makes sense

 

[AppleLord]

There's a lot wrong with this but i don't have time for it right now so i'll get back to this The first point is wrong to start off with

"This rock is called a "meteor" by the fanbase. "

It seems I missed that small panel since it was just a fodder ninja asking for answers because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Since this info doesn't come from a reliable source like the wiki here requires, it can't be used.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Except said fodder ninja was on the ground

Under the meteor

And clearly can see that it's approaching the upper atmosphere and not a preexisting chibaku tensei

 

[AppleLord]

But why would we use the second link? There's nothing to scale from.

The second link (and many more pictures) debunk that pixel scaling. The author didn't draw the meteor like an ellipsoid.

 

[AppleLord]

Except said fodder ninja was on the ground
Under the meteor

And clearly can see that it's approaching the upper atmosphere and not a preexisting chibaku tensei

The rain drops did the same and is a power we already saw with pain. The "meteors" are drawn in the same way that chibaku tensei.

Whatever he saw is his reactionary opinion, not fact. The meteors on The Last are very different from chibaku tensei and Tengai Shinsei which are not ablated.

 

[AppleLord]

There's also the problem of the speed used for the previous calc. The meteor wasn't ablated.

 

[Caleb3429]

I agree with AppleLord

 

[M3X_2.0]

Votes are useless here now

 

[BlackeJan]

We don't do votes....

 

[BlackeJan]

Also the anime shows how the 2nd meteor burst through the clouds which pretty much shows where it's coming from + when it was coming, u can tell it was all the way up in the atmosphere cause before it went through the clouds it kept showing a blue sky meaning it's above clouds

 

[Omimi]

lol at ...... fans

 

[Omimi]

It seems I missed that small panel since it was just a fodder ninja asking for answers because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Since this info doesn't come from a reliable source like the wiki here requires, it can't be used.

fodder ninja>>>>>>>>>>>u or any fans cuz unlike us their word are not fanfic

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I don't get why ordinary users even vote on this?This is a calc,not your normal CRT.Your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[GilgaArcuied]

I don't get why ordinary users even vote on this?This is a calc,not your normal CRT.Your opinion doesn't matter.

Different opinions help. Silencing people does not.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Just as a reminder, be nice everyone.

@Omimi

So a random ninja in the heat of the moment is a meteor specialist? The fact that he's seeing it doesn't make him a reliable source.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Different opinions help. Silencing people does not.

Opinions of people that don't understand the subject doesn't matter.If you are not good at calcs or doesn't know about the context of the feat your opinion doesn't matter,this is not about accepting an ability or something.

 

[GilgaArcuied]

And who are you to say that every blue user doesnt know how to read math, or know context of a feat?

I don't know why you responded in the first place, or even more so why you replied to me. Take your advice and just be quiet if you don't have anything useful to add, perhaps.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It is a bit too condescending and prideful to decide one sidedly who knows what and who is aware of the context of the feat, Dzhin, so try and not do that. If they have a problem with the feat, address the problem if what they are saying is incorrect and not their "lack of knowledge".

But it's true this is something to be discussed and not just agreed/disagreed.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Gilga

Dude your first and only reply regarding the feat was "I agree with Applelord the downgrade makes sense".Without even elaborating.

And you are known for your downplay behaviour towards Naruto.

@LSirLancelotDuLacl

It is a bit too condescending and prideful to decide one sidedly who knows what and who is aware of the context of the feat

No it is not,two members agreed here without giving a reason,and as far as I remember they don't participate in calculations.As I said earlier This is a calc,not your normal CRT.Your opinion doesn't matter.Unless you at least explain it.

I don't vote here because I don't do calcs and I advise to do the same to everyone like me.I could just disagree with AppleLord with literally zero reasons,that would be bias.

No more deraling.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I really don't care for your "no more derailing". That's still an uncalled for thing to do, that's still not related to the questioning of the calc because you haven't actually even given any counter points for why AppleLord may be wrong, and you are still being arrogant deciding who does what.

I get what you mean, I just honestly don't care because your way to go about it is bad. AppleLord already gave his reasonings, anybody else who reads has all the right to agree after reading. If the points he raised are proven wrong though, ignore them if they don't justify still agreeing. Not to mention Madara's rating with Tensai Shingen would need to be changed, how is this not a CRT?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

^Dude,I am not saying AppleLord is wrong,I am saying that we can not just agree or disagree in this thread unless we understand calcs.

Are we clear now?

 

[Damage3245]

I agree that the current calc doesn't appear sufficient and it is worth considering alternative methods.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Don't think it takes much too see those meteors or whatever aren't ablated.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

What sigurd said.

Do you really think you need to understand complicated math to say that using ablation values or the estimated dimensions of the meteor may be entirely wrong using multiple different shots?

Are we clear now?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Shame the games aren't used because they definitely ablate there

Do we take the anime as supporting canon? Because if so even though they don't ablate it still shows them coming from the upper atmosphere when it flashes up way into the sky and then shows the meteor parting the clouds

 

[TataHakai]

"It seems I missed that small panel since it was just a fodder ninja asking for answers because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Since this info doesn't come from a reliable source like the wiki here requires, it can't be used."

Actually it's stated not once but multiple times to be a meteor

And that's not how it works here, otherwise every statement by any fodder character from any series would automatically be disregarded

• If the source of the statement is reliable?

This one is arguable, no doubt this character has never seen this jutsu but author intent should be obvious here, the fact that Kishi is telling us twice that it's a meteorite.

• If the statement conflicts with the story or feats of the character?

Not at all, nothing shown here conflicts with it being a meteor.

• If the statement is only valid in the context of its setting, or if it holds up in comparison with other settings?

The statement makes sense since this is a literal rock falling from the sky, sure it could not be a meteor but it's stated to be twice, not conflicted by anything and at the same time makes sense within the context of the moment and setting considering these are ninjas who can create giant meteors themselves.

 

[Sekusu]

The statment of it being metreor or not..why does it even matter?

Why all this matters?it's just country level

 

[Damage3245]

To a layman, a meteor is just a big rock falling out of the sky. So a random ninja calling it a meteor doesn't mean we have to treat it exactly like an actual meteor.

Also, if the 'meteor" was falling at 3,000 m/s then it would have hit the ground in around 4 seconds but the event clearly took longer than that.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

The statment of it being metreor or not..why does it even matter?
Why all this matters?it's just country level

Because things like ablation happen at certain speeds. A very big rock falling fast and a very big rock falling stupidly fast don't yield the same energy.

 

[AppleLord]

Regardless of the rock been a meteorite or not we still need a new calc since the speed used on the old calc was wrongly used. We need a new accurate calc for this feat.

 

[TataHakai]

Also, if the 'meteor" was falling at 3,000 m/s then it would have hit the ground in around 4 seconds but the event clearly took longer than that.

Based on what exactly? Do i need to remind people that Speech is a free action in fiction

It could've taken 10 milliseconds for all we know, it's not like time passes normally for MHS+ characters

We have characters who can move faster than sound saying they don't have enough time to escape its range, so to throw out "it obviously took more than 4 seconds" when nothing indicates or states it is kinda baseless.

But i do agree that just calling it a meteor isn't justification for it coming from space, i was just saying that it wasn't called a meteor "by the fanbase" and the statement isn't void simply because it came from a nobody

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Not sure if this will mean anythig but heres the naruto wikis description of the jutsu. https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Tengai_Shinsei

 

[Damage3245]

Talking is a free action, but for a lot of calcs we have to assume reasonable timeframes. I can do a full breakdown of why I think the whole scene obviously takes longer than four seconds but it's pretty ridiculous to say it could have been as low as a few milliseconds.

Characters having MHS+ scaling doesn't mean they live like the Flash or Quicksilver where everything they do, think or say happens at hyperspeed at all times.

Also, since when are fodder Shinobi all MHS+ ?