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This wiki has accepted the Planet level downgrade in Naruto (Verse) and I disagree mainly for the next reasons
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However, I disagree due to some factors (looking at the CRT again it seems the images are no longer accessible)
First of all, it is assumed that Hagoromo sealed the entire Juubi inside him, but in the Retsuden novels (accepted on the wiki) it is said that Naruto contracted the same disease as the Sage of the Six Paths from possessing the bijuus in his body.
And here is the fact Naruto has the chakra of all the Bijuus in his body but he does not have the Juubi chakra while Hagoromo did have it and supposedly also the body, so if we consider that he must have at least the Juubi chakra or What makes it up then would be a gigantic convenience, implying that Hagoromo only had the chakra, which is not contradictory because Kinkaku and Ginkaku were considered Jinchurikis without having all of Kurama's chakra.
It is also said to support because Hagoromo remained alive after the extraction of the Juubi, implying that he has the Gedo Maze in his body, but they forget that both Naruto and Kushina achieved the same with Kurama due to his incredible life force, and these being descendants from Ashura and also from Hagoromo it is normal to think that if an Otsutsuki absorbs a tailed beast it can survive after its extraction (Madara was still alive after the extraction of the Juubi and did not have the Gedo Mazo)
Narratively it does not make sense either, since when we talk about Hagoromo's agony it is clearly seen how he is alone, even when his children were young Hamura was not there, on the contrary it seems that he was no longer present
Finally we have that Hagoromo classified Kaguya as the strongest of all including him, if he had had the complete Juubi inside him then he would have been at least equal or superior to Kaguya
Hagoromo named Ashura as his heir before dying, which caused him to separate the Bijuus and then leave, but at that time Indra would have already revealed himself, as he had been corrupted by Black Zetsu whose plan was to revive Kaguya, If the Moon was still there and Hagoromo had not yet separated the Bijuus, then Zetsu would have asked Indra to take the Gedo Mazo to use against his father when he died, because it is clearly seen that Ashura uses Kurama's power agains Indra, so the Moon until that moment was already in its orbit
Do you really think that Hagoromo would have omitted an important part like the sealing of the Gedo Mazo on the moon? or that Black Zetsu did it when talking to Naruto and Sasuke?
I know that Obito mentions that Hagoromo first separated the Bijuus and then sealed him on the Moon, but here there is actually a problem, because everything that Obito knows is known by Madara and Madara said that Kaguya only had Hagoromo as a son, which we know that is not so
As is evident in the thread according to the movie The Last Hagoromo separated the chakra and then sealed the Gedo Mazo on the Moon, but as I made clear it does not necessarily have to be like that, since an "after" is not said because so I understand what happened: Hagoromo and Hamura seal Kaguya, extract the chakra from the Juubi, leaving the Gedo Mazo inside the Moon, Hamura and his lineage go to the Moon and Hagoromo stays on Earth as evidenced here
Some will say that I'm actually wrong because Hamura had a lineage on both Earth and the Moon, and this is an inconsistency like the fact that the Juubi they sealed was actually not the real one but was another one as was continued in Boruto
Of course it is impossible for it to look like that after sealing it, but what Toneri shows is a representation as such, it is not like the story told at the beginning, since that is how the Gedo Mazo was kept until Madara brought him back
In conclusion with what is mentioned it seems more likely that Hamura went to the Moon as shown in the anime than as suggested in the previous thread
Maybe you're already tired of hearing this, but I simply can't ignore it (plus it's also my fault for not having debated at the exact moment)
Some will already know that I base it on the fact that Redaku (including Myoboku) is at a distance of 30 days from Konoha, and we accept that Ninjas are faster than horses according to these two mentions (48.28km/h)
If we take that Kakashi, Sasuke and Sakura of the New Age are superior to the Akatsuki who can go 6 days without eating or sleeping, at least in all that time they must rest between 1 or 4 hours:
720 hours (30 days)
690 hours (with a hour of rest)
600 hours (with 4 hours of rest)
Giving these distances:
720*48.28= 34,761.6 km
690*48.28= 33,313.2 km
600*48.28= 28,968 km
And of course these are shorter than the circumference of the Earth, but that does not matter, given that all of these are greater than half of the same circumference, if we take it to be the same circumference of the Earth it would not make sense, since they had a second shortest route to get to Redaku from Konoha:
So that implies that the Planet is bigger than we thought (I don't know if the Gravity can change)
In Naruto the theory of the moon will be destroyed by the earth's gravity but in this have it has its own gravity that prevents the atmosphere from escaping, allowing the ninjas to fly and breathe.
This article says that for a celestial body to have a gravity that prevents the atmosphere from escaping.
The moon in the real world have a mass of 1.2 percent of the Earth. Even taking into account that the databook says that the Earth's density is still lower for the required level (2.026 percent)
Because the Naruto's Moon is bigger than our but I don't know if exist a scan that show size comparison.At the moment I use this
(Or increase if the size of the Planet and the Moon is accepted) because some characters from Naruto Shippuden were placed on par with the strength of Hagoromo and Hamura (Madara, Naruto and Sasuke, and the god level starting from Boruto)
And if it is possible that the calculations that use the size of the Planet can also be changed
HAGOROMO AND HAMURA MOVE THE MOON
In this CRT it was evident that Hamura went to the moon just when Hagoromo had separated the Bijuus
Tenten with Broom Beard's Tools Solos One Piece (Naruto: Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki Overhaul)
What's going on everybody? I hope ya'll are doing great. As promised, this is the Hagoromo overhaul I've been working on. After nearly two months of grueling work, it's finally ready. I'll keep this short and sweet. You guys know the drill by now. So, what's on the agenda? This thread has two...
However, I disagree due to some factors (looking at the CRT again it seems the images are no longer accessible)
First of all, it is assumed that Hagoromo sealed the entire Juubi inside him, but in the Retsuden novels (accepted on the wiki) it is said that Naruto contracted the same disease as the Sage of the Six Paths from possessing the bijuus in his body.
And here is the fact Naruto has the chakra of all the Bijuus in his body but he does not have the Juubi chakra while Hagoromo did have it and supposedly also the body, so if we consider that he must have at least the Juubi chakra or What makes it up then would be a gigantic convenience, implying that Hagoromo only had the chakra, which is not contradictory because Kinkaku and Ginkaku were considered Jinchurikis without having all of Kurama's chakra.
It is also said to support because Hagoromo remained alive after the extraction of the Juubi, implying that he has the Gedo Maze in his body, but they forget that both Naruto and Kushina achieved the same with Kurama due to his incredible life force, and these being descendants from Ashura and also from Hagoromo it is normal to think that if an Otsutsuki absorbs a tailed beast it can survive after its extraction (Madara was still alive after the extraction of the Juubi and did not have the Gedo Mazo)
Narratively it does not make sense either, since when we talk about Hagoromo's agony it is clearly seen how he is alone, even when his children were young Hamura was not there, on the contrary it seems that he was no longer present
Finally we have that Hagoromo classified Kaguya as the strongest of all including him, if he had had the complete Juubi inside him then he would have been at least equal or superior to Kaguya
Hagoromo named Ashura as his heir before dying, which caused him to separate the Bijuus and then leave, but at that time Indra would have already revealed himself, as he had been corrupted by Black Zetsu whose plan was to revive Kaguya, If the Moon was still there and Hagoromo had not yet separated the Bijuus, then Zetsu would have asked Indra to take the Gedo Mazo to use against his father when he died, because it is clearly seen that Ashura uses Kurama's power agains Indra, so the Moon until that moment was already in its orbit
Do you really think that Hagoromo would have omitted an important part like the sealing of the Gedo Mazo on the moon? or that Black Zetsu did it when talking to Naruto and Sasuke?
I know that Obito mentions that Hagoromo first separated the Bijuus and then sealed him on the Moon, but here there is actually a problem, because everything that Obito knows is known by Madara and Madara said that Kaguya only had Hagoromo as a son, which we know that is not so
As is evident in the thread according to the movie The Last Hagoromo separated the chakra and then sealed the Gedo Mazo on the Moon, but as I made clear it does not necessarily have to be like that, since an "after" is not said because so I understand what happened: Hagoromo and Hamura seal Kaguya, extract the chakra from the Juubi, leaving the Gedo Mazo inside the Moon, Hamura and his lineage go to the Moon and Hagoromo stays on Earth as evidenced here
Some will say that I'm actually wrong because Hamura had a lineage on both Earth and the Moon, and this is an inconsistency like the fact that the Juubi they sealed was actually not the real one but was another one as was continued in Boruto
Of course it is impossible for it to look like that after sealing it, but what Toneri shows is a representation as such, it is not like the story told at the beginning, since that is how the Gedo Mazo was kept until Madara brought him back
In conclusion with what is mentioned it seems more likely that Hamura went to the Moon as shown in the anime than as suggested in the previous thread
PLANET SIZE
Some will already know that I base it on the fact that Redaku (including Myoboku) is at a distance of 30 days from Konoha, and we accept that Ninjas are faster than horses according to these two mentions (48.28km/h)
If we take that Kakashi, Sasuke and Sakura of the New Age are superior to the Akatsuki who can go 6 days without eating or sleeping, at least in all that time they must rest between 1 or 4 hours:
720 hours (30 days)
690 hours (with a hour of rest)
600 hours (with 4 hours of rest)
Giving these distances:
720*48.28= 34,761.6 km
690*48.28= 33,313.2 km
600*48.28= 28,968 km
And of course these are shorter than the circumference of the Earth, but that does not matter, given that all of these are greater than half of the same circumference, if we take it to be the same circumference of the Earth it would not make sense, since they had a second shortest route to get to Redaku from Konoha:
MOON
This article says that for a celestial body to have a gravity that prevents the atmosphere from escaping.
The moon in the real world have a mass of 1.2 percent of the Earth. Even taking into account that the databook says that the Earth's density is still lower for the required level (2.026 percent)
Because the Naruto's Moon is bigger than our but I don't know if exist a scan that show size comparison.
CONCLUSIONS
I request that the scale change from 5-C and Low 5-B to 5-B
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